How to be free from sin Part 2

[for_his_glory]

Hi,
I just want to draw your attention to your faith so that you are not ultimately rejected by the Lord. What I want is for everyone around the world to know this true gospel that has been hidden from us by the servants of the evil one.
The apostle Paul himself regularly watched over his faith.
Galatians 2:1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. 2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will like him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

A simple question, where do you think Jesus took our sins?

Why do you feel I have no faith or a false faith in believing the lies of Satan and not the truth of the doctrines of Christ?

You need not question my faith as my path is straight with Christ Jesus as I am a Spiritually born again child of God indwelled with the Holy Spirit so I do not need to answer your question as I know Jesus took all my sins and nailed them to the cross as I have been made righteous before God by his righteousness as no one can be righteous on their own.

 

[for_his_glory]

Of course

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

If you compare John 3:5 with 1 John 5:5-8 water means word as in the word being the living water (John 4:9-15) as in the Father, the word (living water Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. The three that bear witness is Holy Spirit, Gods living word, and the blood of Jesus who made atonement for sin that we can be reconciled back to the Father.

Everything from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 is all Gods word and Holy Spirit dwelling in or falling on and come to Earth in the form of a man in Christ Jesus. It's all Gods grace freely given to all who will believe in that faith that is Christ Jesus as He spoke Gods word (John 12:44-50 living water) and the Prophets and Apostles wrote and testified of what Jesus taught verbally.

It's Gods word that we are made righteous through Him, sanctified, justified and made Holy before Him. No dirty river water can save us, but is only an outward appearance to others that we have been washed clean (made righteous before God) by the blood of the Lamb and the renewing through the Holy Spirit.

There are around 1526 instances of living water in the Bible. Here are some verses on living water being the word. John 4:4-26; 7:37-39; 12:44-50; Ephesians 5:26; 1 John 5:5-8; Jeremiah 17:13; Zechariah 14:8, 9; Rev 21:6-8; Ezekiel 47:22

 

[gordon777]

Jesus told John that he and John must fulfill God's righteousness together and not Jesus alone.
And Jesus specifies that it is only in this way (by baptism)
So how do you understand that only John and Jesus accomplish the justice of God.

Jesus answered how it has to be that all righteousness is fulfilled.

John answered how he heard the words of Jesus, and that was Johns joy fulfilled. ( hearing the words of Christ.)

John then shows how Jesus will increase ( to fulfil all righteousness alone.) and how John will decrease, ( not go on any further, as John spoke of the earth, but Jesus speaks of Heaven as He is from above.)

John, just like Peter, were eyewitnesses of HIs majesty, and it is Jesus Christ WHO RECEIVED honour and glory, and Jesus Christ who then fulfilled all righteousness.


Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

John 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

 

[gordon777]

You say
To be righteous as Christ is righteous, to do righteousness at al times, is to love your brother, they who are not of God do not love their brother (at all times, to be righteous as Christ is righteous.)

I agree but do you really love your neighbor all the time?

Love, loves its neighbour at all times. ( the love of God is shed abroad into our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.)


Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[gordon777]

The "real gospel" is not according to me...it's according to scripture.

Gospel just meant the good news.
What are the good news?
That's the question that requires an answer.

Romans 10:9-13
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”


John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.


1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,

I think that covers it.
Man is a born sinner.
He needs forgiveness to repair the broken relationship with God by Adam.
God loves man and sent His only Son to be an atonement for our sins.
If we believe that Jesus died for our sins, we will be saved.

I'd say this is the gospel.

I would sway that is not sufficient, because you leave out what born again is.

It is this, which you earlier dismissed:


1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

 

[gordon777]

1 Corinthians 15:1-4: Now I would remind you, brethren, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,

Christ died according to the scriptures for our sins, if we understand it otherwise then we believe in vain.
So do you know how the old testament showed us the exact way how Christ saved us? in what way ?
In the Old Testament the Lamb of the Sacrifice had to first take the sins of the people through the hands of the High Priest before dying by his blood.
Can you tell us where and how Jesus took the sins through a high priest? and who is the high priest who transferred the sins onto Jesus.

If you are saved by believing in Jesus then how do you do when you commit a sin?

Sin is unrighteousness ( all unrighteousness is sin.) Belief is in Jesus Christ the righteous, anyone who does not do righteousness at all times, does not believe that Jesus Christ is righteous, and they who do righteousness are born of Him.


1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

 

[gordon777]

If you compare John 3:5 with 1 John 5:5-8 water means word as in the word being the living water (John 4:9-15) as in the Father, the word (living water Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. The three that bear witness is Holy Spirit, Gods living word, and the blood of Jesus who made atonement for sin that we can be reconciled back to the Father.

The blood is life, in the Word was life, and the life was the light of men, and the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, Jesus Christ full of grace and truth, the Spirit of truth, the Spirit is life.

This is Christ who came by water and blood, not by water only, but by water and blood, and the Sprit bears witness because it is truth. ( the Spirit is life.)



Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.



1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

 

[gordon777]

A word of advice for the moderators, and for everybody also reading from them.


If a person says they are born again, they are forgiven by Christ etc, they are only commending themselves.

It is a wicked world, the wicked world speaks of itself, it is the opposite to Heaven, and its righteousness, which has God giving the commending instead.

Now if they do not live by fear of the Lord, they are highminded instead, not continuing in His goodness. Therefore to him that knows to do good ( the testimonies in the Gospel, of being the last, the least, and the lowest) and they do it not, that to them IS SIN.



Proverbs 27:Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.
2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

Romans 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

James 4:13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

2 Corinthians 10:18 For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.

 

[for_his_glory]

A word of advice for the moderators, and for everybody also reading from them.


If a person says they are born again, they are forgiven by Christ etc, they are only commending themselves.

It is a wicked world, the wicked world speaks of itself, it is the opposite to Heaven, and its righteousness, which has God giving the commending instead.

Now if they do not live by fear of the Lord, they are highminded instead, not continuing in His goodness. Therefore to him that knows to do good ( the testimonies in the Gospel, of being the last, the least, and the lowest) and they do it not, that to them IS SIN.



Proverbs 27:Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.
2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

Romans 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

James 4:13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

2 Corinthians 10:18 For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.

Who is boasting or commending themselves by telling others they are Spiritually born again? Is it not our witness and testimony of Christ to the world that by being Spiritually born again from above you will see the kingdom of God and have eternal life with the Father, John 3:5-7; 3:16?

I'm very confused by what you have said here.

 

[eee27]

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

If you compare John 3:5 with 1 John 5:5-8 water means word as in the word being the living water (John 4:9-15) as in the Father, the word (living water Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. The three that bear witness is Holy Spirit, Gods living word, and the blood of Jesus who made atonement for sin that we can be reconciled back to the Father.

Everything from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 is all Gods word and Holy Spirit dwelling in or falling on and come to Earth in the form of a man in Christ Jesus. It's all Gods grace freely given to all who will believe in that faith that is Christ Jesus as He spoke Gods word (John 12:44-50 living water) and the Prophets and Apostles wrote and testified of what Jesus taught verbally.

It's Gods word that we are made righteous through Him, sanctified, justified and made Holy before Him. No dirty river water can save us, but is only an outward appearance to others that we have been washed clean (made righteous before God) by the blood of the Lamb and the renewing through the Holy Spirit.

There are around 1526 instances of living water in the Bible. Here are some verses on living water being the word. John 4:4-26; 7:37-39; 12:44-50; Ephesians 5:26; 1 John 5:5-8; Jeremiah 17:13; Zechariah 14:8, 9; Rev 21:6-8; Ezekiel 47:22

My wish is not to offend you but rather to realize the true gospel.
In reality water has a lot of meaning in the bible water is not just the living word of god.
Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitth upon many waters:
Revelation 17 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

In 1 John 5:6 the water does indeed represent the baptism of Jesus.
I'll take you three Bible translations to confirm it.

Amplified Bible (AMP)
This is He who came through water and blood [His baptism and death], Jesus Christ—not by the water only, but by the water and the blood. It is the [Holy] Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. [He is the essence and origin of truth itself.]

Good News Translation (GNT)
Jesus Christ is the one who came with the water of his baptism and the blood of his death. He came not only with the water, but with both the water and the blood. And the Spirit himself testifies that this is true, because the Spirit is truth.

Expanded Bible (EXB)
Jesus Christ is the One who came by water [Clikely a reference to Jesus’ baptism] and blood [Ca reference to his death]. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And the Spirit says that this is true [is the one who testifies/bears witness; Mark 1:11; John 1:32–34], because the Spirit is the truth.

There are still some so I invite you to review your faith again.

 

[eee27]

The blood is life, in the Word was life, and the life was the light of men, and the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, Jesus Christ full of grace and truth, the Spirit of truth, the Spirit is life.

This is Christ who came by water and blood, not by water only, but by water and blood, and the Sprit bears witness because it is truth. ( the Spirit is life.)



Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.



1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

So I'm asking you, do you ever ask God for forgiveness for your sins?
Or do you no longer sin?
The water of 1 jean 5 is the baptism of Jesus I have already shown it with Bible translations above.

 

[for_his_glory]

My wish is not to offend you but rather to realize the true gospel.
In reality water has a lot of meaning in the bible water is not just the living word of god.
Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitth upon many waters:
Revelation 17 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

In 1 John 5:6 the water does indeed represent the baptism of Jesus.
I'll take you three Bible translations to confirm it.

Amplified Bible (AMP)
This is He who came through water and blood [His baptism and death], Jesus Christ—not by the water only, but by the water and the blood. It is the [Holy] Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. [He is the essence and origin of truth itself.]

Good News Translation (GNT)
Jesus Christ is the one who came with the water of his baptism and the blood of his death. He came not only with the water, but with both the water and the blood. And the Spirit himself testifies that this is true, because the Spirit is truth.

Expanded Bible (EXB)
Jesus Christ is the One who came by water [Clikely a reference to Jesus’ baptism] and blood [Ca reference to his death]. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And the Spirit says that this is true [is the one who testifies/bears witness; Mark 1:11; John 1:32–34], because the Spirit is the truth.

There are still some so I invite you to review your faith again.

Please do not tell others that are Spiritually born again from above and indwelled with the Holy Spirit to review their faith as this is a violation of the Terms of Service 1.4 as you need to go back and read the Terms of Service you agreed with when you became a member. IMO it is very offensive to question another's faith when you do not even know them or have talked with them. I will not give you a violation this time, but a friendly warning since you are new here.

The true Gospel is the doctrines of Christ for what He has already taught us. The word water has many different meanings, but it is by the hearing of the word of God and the blood of Christ that we are set free from our past sins when we come to Christ and repent of them.

Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Faith comes by hearing the word of God as salvation is given to us by God's grace to all who will call on the name of Jesus to be saved. Our salvation does not come from being dunked in dirty river water as that being the baptism of John was only for repentance as in preparing the way of the Lord. The Baptism of Christ is for the empowerment of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mat 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

It's by the blood of Christ that washes us clean again in whom made atonement for us being the last unblemished Lamb blood sacrifice for our sin. Literal water will not save us, but is an outward appearance to others that you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

 

[gordon777]

Who is boasting or commending themselves by telling others they are Spiritually born again? Is it not our witness and testimony of Christ to the world that by being Spiritually born again from above you will see the kingdom of God and have eternal life with the Father, John 3:5-7; 3:16?

I'm very confused by what you have said here.

Because many false prophets are gone out in the world, and they have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. ( they state they are Spiritually born again, but deny God in works, as they are disobedient and without morals.)

Also it is testified they are lovers of their own selves, so when they are telling others about themselves, they are really lovers of their own selves, covetous, BOASTERS,PROUD, DISOBEDIENT.



Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2 Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

 

[gordon777]

So I'm asking you, do you ever ask God for forgiveness for your sins?
Or do you no longer sin?
The water of 1 jean 5 is the baptism of Jesus I have already shown it with Bible translations above.

The baptism of Jesus is the water He gives us out of His belly, which has life in it. ( or we have no life in us.)

The blood also we drink, or we have no life in us.

Baptism is the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The same baptism Jesus Christ had was, was the cup of Christ, His death and resurrection,then going into Heaven, this is the cup of the new testament in His blood, shed for many, we also then drink of His same cup, and then are quickened with Him.

And us being dead in our sins and trespasses, and the uncircumcision of our flesh, are forgiven, by the circumcision of Christ through the Spirit ( which is the same baptism of Christ, and we are quickened together with Him.)

We are buried with Christ in baptism. ( the water is the Spirit, as Christ was put to death in the flesh, but quickened in the Spirit.




1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Matthew 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

1 Corinthians 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

 

[gordon777]

Here are the words of Jesus, to know who is Spiritually born again, and who is not.


John 3:16, is not sufficient at all to describe who is saved.

What is described below is how to actually be saved.

To believe on the name of the only begotten ( from the dead) Son of God.

The ones who do truth come to the light, for their deeds to be reproved ( corrected) and made manifest, ( shown before others.) that they are made in God.

When the only begotten came into the world, a body was prepared for God. It is written in the whole book of God for Jesus Christ to do that will of God, as God had no pleasure in the blood of bulls and calves. ( Christ give His body to please the Lord.)

Now those who do not LOVE, do not know God, who is love.

The love of God was manifested to us, because God sent His only Son into the world, so we might live through Him, to be the propitiation ( forgiveness) for our sins.




John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.




As I said for the mods and all who can read on the forum, charity ( love) does not vaunt itself, it is not puffed up.



1 Corinthians 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,





Here are what love does, as taught to believe in: ( not those who commend themselves are commended, but only who the Lord commends, and then God will praise who should have praise, which is only those who do not judge before the time who is who, and what is what.)




Luke 9:48 And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.

Luke 14:7 And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them.
8 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
9 And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.
10 But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Luke 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;

2 Corinthians 10:17 But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
18 For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.

1 Corinthians 4:5Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

 

[eee27]

Please do not tell others that are Spiritually born again from above and indwelled with the Holy Spirit to review their faith as this is a violation of the Terms of Service 1.4 as you need to go back and read the Terms of Service you agreed with when you became a member. IMO it is very offensive to question another's faith when you do not even know them or have talked with them. I will not give you a violation this time, but a friendly warning since you are new here.

The true Gospel is the doctrines of Christ for what He has already taught us. The word water has many different meanings, but it is by the hearing of the word of God and the blood of Christ that we are set free from our past sins when we come to Christ and repent of them.

Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Faith comes by hearing the word of God as salvation is given to us by God's grace to all who will call on the name of Jesus to be saved. Our salvation does not come from being dunked in dirty river water as that being the baptism of John was only for repentance as in preparing the way of the Lord. The Baptism of Christ is for the empowerment of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mat 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

It's by the blood of Christ that washes us clean again in whom made atonement for us being the last unblemished Lamb blood sacrifice for our sin. Literal water will not save us, but is an outward appearance to others that you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

Sorry for violating the terms of the site.
I believe that the love of Christ is above all that.
That's why I just want to share it with all of you.
This being the case, I'm sticking to it and I hope that those who truly seek salvation through the forgiveness of sins will find it through this post.

 

[for_his_glory]

Sorry for violating the terms of the site.
I believe that the love of Christ is above all that.
That's why I just want to share it with all of you.
This being the case, I'm sticking to it and I hope that those who truly seek salvation through the forgiveness of sins will find it through this post.

Actually the Terms of Service have been set up on Godly principles from His word. Many of us have been Spiritually born again Christians for many years and it is very offensive to question ones faith in Christ. I know you have a zeal for teaching the word of God, but you might want to get to know the members here before you question their faith. Without faith and the forgiveness of sin none of us would be a child of God.

The only way to be free from sin is through being obedient to God's commands and being Spiritually born again indwelled with the Holy Spirit who renews our inner man.

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
(read Colossians 3:1-17 as it's about the renewal inner man)

 

[for_his_glory]

Because many false prophets are gone out in the world, and they have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. ( they state they are Spiritually born again, but deny God in works, as they are disobedient and without morals.)

Also it is testified they are lovers of their own selves, so when they are telling others about themselves, they are really lovers of their own selves, covetous, BOASTERS,PROUD, DISOBEDIENT.



Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2 Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Of course Jesus taught us of false prophets, but it also taught us how to Spiritually discern the spirits that try to teach us, 1John 4:1-6. If what one teaches does not line up with scripture then then do not believe them as many try to make scripture line up with their own doctrines that are not of Christ doctrines.

Do you keep your light under a bushel or do you let it shout out to the world who needs to see the light of Christ shine through us. Brother, I will shout it from the roof top to the highest mountain that I am a child of God and no one can silence my witness as I joyfully testify of Him and the works He does in me and through me as I have died to self and live for Christ.

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Luke 19:37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
Luke 19:38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
Luke 19:39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

 

[gordon777]

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Luke 19:37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
Luke 19:38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
Luke 19:39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

First of all we have a problem at the end of this world, it is that men are implacable. ( not teachable, not able to receive correction on anything.)



Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:



Correct me if I am wrong, but this is a forum, which has different views, and sometimes views which are not correct enough, can be changed to be better.

If that is the case, then please pay attention right now, for_his_glory.



Let your light shine before men,, to see your good works, to glorify God in Heaven.


Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.


Turning to 1 Timothy 2:9-14.

The women adorned themselves in modest apparal, with shamefacedness and sobriety, not with broided hair, or gold, pearls or costly array. That is which becomes women professing godliness and that is good works. ( decency, shamefacedness, the quality of being sober.

Let the woman learn in silence ( as they were at that time of modesty, shamefacedness, sobriety.) with all subjection. ( ready and quick to hear and ready to learn by hearing, not by being swift to speak, which is when we work the wrath of man, and is then not the righteousness of God as told in James 1.. ( James 1;19-20)

The woman will be saved if she continues in charity, here we learn charity seeks not her own, but the wealth of another instead, in 1 Corinthians 10 and 13.

Now see James again, we have our conversation our works with MEEKNESS of wisdom.

No envying and strife, or we lie against the truth. If there is strife, it is confusion and EVERY EVIL WORK. ( good works then are in meekness, charity, not seeking our own, seeking another's wealth instead of our own concerns, own conversation about ourselves, as the conversation can only be about Christ then. The wisdom from above is gentle, pure, full of good fruits.



1 Corinthians 10:24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.

1 Corinthians 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman LEARN IN SILENCE with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. ( 1 Corinthians 14:34 keeping silence, but are commanded to be under obedience as says also the law.)

James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.





Here below in Luke 19, the disciples praise God for the works He did, which they saw, remembering that Christ is meek and lowly. ( notice the proof here of your quote of Luke 19, that the time the disciples praise God for what they saw, is when the King came to Jerusalem, being just, having salvation, lowly, riding upon a donkey...




Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Luke 19:37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;

 

[gordon777]

I hope for_his_glory, being a admin, can receive correction, and that anyone on the forum can notice correction is easy for the admins to receive.

We are testified by God men are implacable at this ending time. If it is too hard to change our ways, to be meek as Christ, then it has been well testified how God is denied by mocking people following their own ungodly lusts. ( Jude 1:18.)

Correction is grievous to him that forsakes the way, but knowledge is easy unto him that understands. As Romans says, they not only are unteachable at the end, they also are WITHJOUT UNDERSTANDING, which has said they cannot be corrected, it is GRIEVOUS UNTO HIM.




Proverbs 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

Proverbs 14:6 A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth.

Proverbs 15:10 Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.

Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:


2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.