How to be released from your bondage of cessationism?

[jasoncran]

yes but paul prayed for it and well he was a healer and raised the dead. what happen to his faith? so we shouldnt stand on the blood being our healer and proclaim what is already ours? that is what charismata teach these days.

i have been a pentacostal since i came to christ. i know the arguments

 

[Deborah13]

ok. sheesh im charismatic myself and my pastor believes that god did set aside healing at the cross. where we part with the healing promises types is that we believe God aint a genie.he heals at his good pleasure. apperantly Paul didnt get the memo on that. timothy was sick and paul was sorrowful and called his healing an act of mercy. odd that if paul didnt have the faith nor power to heal, others could have prayed and Timothy would have been healed. surely the early church didnt loose its way that quickly

This is the only one I could find?

It appears to most who read this scripture that Timothy didn't need to have hands laid on him to recover, he needed to quit drinking the water and drink a little wine. A wise idea for anyone going into any place where the water is not clean. Where I live if you drink the water even in the high mountain streams you can get giardia (parasite) from the sheep that have dirtied the water.
Did this parasite live in the garden? Could it harm Adam? We live in a sin corrupted world but that doesn't mean that it is God's perfect will that a christian be sick.
If it could possibly be God's will that you are sick in anyway then you must not fight it. Must not go to the doctor to relieve your pain or to receive anti-biotics. You must suffer with whatever illness God gives you or allows you to get even to the point of death. After all you want to be in God's will and learn whatever lesson you are to learn and if you died then your child is being blessed is learning a lesson too by growing up without you??
Sorry Jason, I just can't agree. God wants you to live. To love your wife, to raise your children in the ways of the Lord. Satan is the destroyer of families not God.
1 Timothy 5:23

King James Version (KJV)

23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

 

[jasoncran]

why do you believe in the ressurection and not that isnt the verse. its this
phil 2:27

For indeed he was sick near to death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow on sorrow.]

in context

25 Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.

26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.

27 For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow

by your logic no christian should ever die. john the apostle should be alive today. people die from something. an illness usually does it. few die in good health. something takes them. just because an autopsy isnt done doesnt mean that there wasnt a disease. i mean an 100 yr old man dies in his bed and didnt have any issues wont get the morgue to cut him open, it will labeled natural causes. hmm that is what happens.

for its appointed unto all men to die then unto the judgement. surely that means all men to include christians. we are going to all meet him.

 

[reba]

Dad was a Christ like man, satan did not send him home, God took em.

 

[Deborah13]

why do you believe in the ressurection and not that isnt the verse. its this
phil 2:27

No not at all, there is a scripture that says we are to have at least 80yrs but I can't remember where it is. I'll try to find it.

In the Greek the word "sozo" means to save. This every say word is used in healing scriptures in Matt.9:22, Mark 5:34, Lk 8:48, etc. but it translated as "made whole".

sozo Gk Strong's #4982
1) to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction

a) one (from injury or peril)

1) to save a suffering one (from perishing), i.e. one suffering from disease, to make well, heal, restore to health

1) to preserve one who is in danger of destruction, to save or rescue

b) to save in the technical biblical sense

1) negatively

a) to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgment

b) to save from the evils which obstruct the reception of the Messianic deliverance

"saved by Grace through faith, and that not of yourselves"

Believing in things that be not as though they were.

What do you mean when you ask why do I believe in the resurrection?

 

[Deborah13]

Philippians 2:25-30

Amplified Bible (AMP)

25 However, I thought it necessary to send Epaphroditus [back] to you. [He has been] my brother and companion in labor and my fellow soldier, as well as [having come as] your special messenger (apostle) and minister to my need.
26 For he has been [homesick] longing for you all and has been distressed because you had heard that he was ill.
27 He certainly was ill [too], near to death. But God had compassion on him, and not only on him but also on me, lest I should have sorrow [over him] [a]coming upon sorrow.
28 So I have sent him the more willingly and eagerly, that you may be gladdened at seeing him again, and that I may be the less disquieted.
29 Welcome him [home] then in the Lord with all joy, and honor and highly appreciate men like him,
30 For it was through working for Christ that he came so near death, risking his [very] life to complete the deficiencies in your service to me [which distance prevented you yourselves from rendering].

Philippians 2:25-30

King James Version (KJV)

25 Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.
26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.
27 For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.
28 I sent him therefore the more carefully, that, when ye see him again, ye may rejoice, and that I may be the less sorrowful.
29 Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness; and hold such in reputation:
30 Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life, to supply your lack of service toward me.

Sounds to me like he worked himself almost literally, to death in service to Christ and Paul. However, he did not die or remain feeble, he was restored. No one is saying that all healing is instantaneous if that's what you are getting at? Paul never says anything that would make me think he was sorrowful, just the opposite he said he was healed and received mercy as Paul did too so that Paul would not have sorrow. If anything this supports God's healing, grace, and mercy for His children.