How to Find False Prophets Using Scripture

[Guest]

Doesn't suit his philosophy.

Always remember though, as Christ speaks through us the devil speaks through them. Doesn't suit the devil's philosophy.

 

[felix]

This represents a very incorrect view of first-century history. Paul expected his writings to be distributed to other churches, just as he told the Colossians.

Colossians 4 NASB
16 When this letter is read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans; and you, for your part read my letter that is coming from Laodicea.
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Yes, it is still mentioned to specific churches, not expecting a scribe to copy them to all churches as they did Scripture.

You said it, so that makes it right? Hardly.

No, I didn't say that. The verse itself says that.

2Pet 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable [people] twist to their own destruction, as [they do] also the rest of the Scriptures.

'as [they do] also the rest of the Scriptures' - This is in no way referring to Paul's letters. It is comparing the way how they twist rest of scriptures and do the same twisting to Paul's letters.

Does 'American English' have a different meaning?

Utter nonsense. For the New Testament, the process of the recognition and collection began in the first century of the Christian church. Obviously, Peter's reference to Paul's writings as "Scrioture" (your refusal to acknlowledge it notwithstanding) is indication that the apostles very early on knew they were putting together the final works for the Word of God. Paul's allusion to the closing of the canon in 1 Corinthians 13 as being very close is another.

Sorry, you had to learn Australian English to understand 2 Pet 3:16 which doesn't say Paul's letters as rest of Scripture.

Very early on, some of the New Testament books were being recognized. Paul considered Luke’s writings to be as authoritative as the Old Testament (1 Timothy 5:18; see also Deuteronomy 25:4 and Luke 10:7). Again, Peter recognized Paul’s writings as Scripture (2 Peter 3:15, 16). Some of the books of the New Testament were being circulated among the churches (Colossians 4:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:27). Clement of Rome mentioned at least eight New Testament books in 95 AD. Ignatius of Antioch acknowledged about seven books in 115 AD. In 108 AD, Polycarp, a disciple of John the apostle, acknowledged 15 books. Later, about 185 AD, Irenaeus mentioned 21 books, and in 200 AD (approximately), Hippolytus recognized 22 books. The New Testament books receiving the most controversy were Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 John, and 3 John. But many of these men's contemporaries recognized them as significant books.

1 Timothy 5:18 is not quoting Luke but Christ's Words.
For "Peter recognized Paul’s writings as Scripture (2 Peter 3:15, 16)" - honestly you need to learn English.

The first “canon” was the Muratorian Canon, which was compiled in A.D. 170. The Muratorian Canon included all of the New Testament books except Hebrews, James, and 3 John. So you see, your belief that these books were not widely known is completely erroneous.

It even includes books that are rejected and considered heretic. So what? It is simply a list used at that time.. not a canon authorized by anyone.

That would certainly mean you have no agreement whatsoever with some of the greatest students of the Bible throughout history. How does that make yhou feel?

Approved by God the Father (Deut 18:18), Declared by Christ Himself (Mark 13:31) and Taught by Holy Spirit (John 14:26), I feel I am not ashamed to stand alone with Christ than with all students who are blind to see the authority of Christ's Words.

 

[reba]

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When we cannot seem to behave we get sent into time out.. This is my last warning... I will start deleting or closing.... It was Paul in Romans 1 who talked about backbiters

 

[felix]

2.5: Respect each others' opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself.

It is a violation to misquote or misrepresent another member.

Any personal problems with another member, then deal with it through private messages. No harassing members via PM. No public posting of PMs. Publicly announcing who is on a member's Ignore list is prohibited.
Respect where others are in their spiritual walk, do not disrupt the flow of discussion or act in a way that affects others negatively including when debating doctrinal issues, in the defence of the Christian faith, and in offering unwelcome spiritual advice.

urk's misquoting and misrepresenting me:

Post #140
Deborah, don't forget that Felix denies eternal life also

Post #45
Your christian duty is to draw people into 'obedience' to Christ with Hitler doctrine but deny eternal salvation?

I neither denied 'eternal life' nor 'eternal salvation' anywhere. I only denied 'eternal security'. This is going on all over and I hate to reply to him.

 

[reba]

enough