There Are NO Apostles Today

[Vinny37]

I appreciate your words and thoughts.

May I add to your comment of What I hate are the words..........."God spoke to me and said"!

As with many other words and phrases from the Bible, many people misunderstand the gift of prophecy and because of what they have learned from the Old Test. about "Prophets", they equate that understanding to be the ability to predict the future as the prophets did.

It is my understanding that while knowing something about the future may sometimes have been an aspect of the gift of prophecy, as given from prophets, it was primarily a gift of proclamation which is “fore-telling”.

All of those Old Test. men did exactly that as God moved them to write and record. Once that was recored it was the Word of God about what was coming.

I have been taught my whole life that when the New Testament finished, "prophesying" changed from declaring new revelation to declaring the completed revelation God has already given.

Jude 3 speaks of “the faith which was once delivered unto the saints"..

In other words, the faith to which we hold has been settled forever, and it does not need the addition or refinement that comes from extra-biblical revelations from a man who claims to be a prophet or that he received a new word of knowledge from God.

The problem with that is the Bible itself. In Deuteronomy 4:2 are clear directions.........
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."

What does that mean? It means that when a man says....."God told me, or God spoke to me" or "I have a vision of what is coming next year"...........What he says next must be what God has already said in HIs written word!

It is only wallies just within, or from outside, pentecostalism, who suggest inspired addition to canon. There is local church prophecy which has noncanonical functions, today, as at Corinth’s C1 local church. Scriptural canon also allows for predictive prophecy, eg Agabus. Again, such is noncanonical and as valid today, as at C1 Jerusalem. Scripture is the anchor, and any type of prophecy today is not to add or subtract doctrine to the set canon. We are not to extinguish both strange fire and holy fire. That God can give specific warnings or commands, does not violate Scripture.

That some miscite God, can violate us. Cliff Richard had an unknown woman turn up, saying God said that Cliff was to marry her. Fine, said Cliff, but I’ll wait until he tells me directly: he was right, but remains a bachelor boy. That prophecy can be abused does not mean it cannot be valid. Scripture has predicted that prophecy will end at the Eschaton, and Scripture too shall end then, but the End is not yet, thus prophecy remains. Ac.16 shows how general directions by God’s will, can be finetuned by specific directions by God, and Ac.21 shows that predictiveness does not always mean directiveness.

On sageism, I note that OT prophets of Yahweh could be women or men. Today, both men & women, and at times children (like Samuel), may prophesy.

If you check with the KJV on Dt.4:2, you will see your misquote by copy/paste. By LORD the KJV meant Yahweh (as Moses had written), not the lord (adonai), which easily sounds like Yeshua (1 Cor.12:3) so leads to Sabellianism. Tyndale upgraded from the Catholic Vulgate, which Wycliffe had sadly kept to. Tyndale used either [the LORDe] or [Iehouah], transliterated somewhat differently in today’s alphabet: the KJV 1611 used Iehouah.

There are some good reasons not to diminish God’s name from Yahweh to LORD: imagine Mt.1:21 as, “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name LORD: for he shall save his people from their sins.” If Yahweh has lost his name, why should Jesus not lose his?

But given the dubious practice of LORD, there are some good reasons not to further diminish God’s name from LORD to Lord (Ps.110:1). The end is Sabellianism. Let us not misquote Scripture, or at least not misquote it into deeper error.

 

[hawkman]

The problem with that is the Bible itself. In Deuteronomy 4:2 are clear directions.........
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."

What does that mean? It means that when a man says....."God told me, or God spoke to me" or "I have a vision of what is coming next year"...........What he says next must be what God has already said in HIs written word!

Deuteronomy 4:2 is all about Israel keeping the law and not modifying the law from what God gave them .
THAT is what it means .
God still speaks to his people about any subject he wants to . Ask him about it .

 

[Rodger]

Deuteronomy 4:2 is all about Israel keeping the law and not modifying the law from what God gave them .
THAT is what it means .
God still speaks to his people about any subject he wants to . Ask him about it .

I disagree my friend. IMHO, you are looking at this through the eyes of biased Pentecostal vision.
In your world, by rejecting the Word of God in Deut. 4:2, you open the door to any extreme action or doctrine based on what any person today wants to say. By that process we now have.......
1. The Prosperity Gospel
2. The Name and Claim It Doctrine
3. “Touch not God’s anointed” = The saying is meant to forbid criticism of the movement’s leaders.
4. Slain In The Spirit.

If I am wrong, I sincerely apologize as I am only exposing what "Adding" to the Word of God always leads to.

Do you realize that when Moses gave the instruction in Deut. 4:2, Genesis through Deuteronomy were the entire Bible—that’s all the revelation God had given to that point. So, yes, Moses was speaking of the “entire Bible” available at that time. Don’t add to it; don’t take away from it.

 

[Rodger]

It is only wallies just within, or from outside, pentecostalism, who suggest inspired addition to canon. There is local church prophecy which has noncanonical functions, today, as at Corinth’s C1 local church. Scriptural canon also allows for predictive prophecy, eg Agabus. Again, such is noncanonical and as valid today, as at C1 Jerusalem. Scripture is the anchor, and any type of prophecy today is not to add or subtract doctrine to the set canon. We are not to extinguish both strange fire and holy fire. That God can give specific warnings or commands, does not violate Scripture.

That some miscite God, can violate us. Cliff Richard had an unknown woman turn up, saying God said that Cliff was to marry her. Fine, said Cliff, but I’ll wait until he tells me directly: he was right, but remains a bachelor boy. That prophecy can be abused does not mean it cannot be valid. Scripture has predicted that prophecy will end at the Eschaton, and Scripture too shall end then, but the End is not yet, thus prophecy remains. Ac.16 shows how general directions by God’s will, can be finetuned by specific directions by God, and Ac.21 shows that predictiveness does not always mean directiveness.

On sageism, I note that OT prophets of Yahweh could be women or men. Today, both men & women, and at times children (like Samuel), may prophesy.

If you check with the KJV on Dt.4:2, you will see your misquote by copy/paste. By LORD the KJV meant Yahweh (as Moses had written), not the lord (adonai), which easily sounds like Yeshua (1 Cor.12:3) so leads to Sabellianism. Tyndale upgraded from the Catholic Vulgate, which Wycliffe had sadly kept to. Tyndale used either [the LORDe] or [Iehouah], transliterated somewhat differently in today’s alphabet: the KJV 1611 used Iehouah.

There are some good reasons not to diminish God’s name from Yahweh to LORD: imagine Mt.1:21 as, “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name LORD: for he shall save his people from their sins.” If Yahweh has lost his name, why should Jesus not lose his?

But given the dubious practice of LORD, there are some good reasons not to further diminish God’s name from LORD to Lord (Ps.110:1). The end is Sabellianism. Let us not misquote Scripture, or at least not misquote it into deeper error.

I disagree with your opinion. There was NO misquote of the KJV of Deut. 4:2 which is...........
" Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."

You seem overly concerned with who copied and pasted so the source of Deut. 4:2 above is---

Deuteronomy 4:2 Study Bible: You shall not add to the word which I command you, neither shall you diminish from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

I am not sure what your intentions are, but I can assure you that there was no part of mine intended to result in trying to suggest that there is only one distinct reality (hypostasis) in the Trinity, =
Sabellianism stemming from your view of God's name.

Sabellianism has been condemned as heresy in most all Christian denominations that have any Bible understanding.

 

[JLB]

I disagree my friend. IMHO, you are looking at this through the eyes of biased Pentecostal vision.
In your world, by rejecting the Word of God in Deut. 4:2, you open the door to any extreme action or doctrine based on what any person today wants to say. By that process we now have.......
1. The Prosperity Gospel
2. The Name and Claim It Doctrine
3. “Touch not God’s anointed” = The saying is meant to forbid criticism of the movement’s leaders.
4. Slain In The Spirit.

If I am wrong, I sincerely apologize as I am only exposing what "Adding" to the Word of God always leads to.

Do you realize that when Moses gave the instruction in Deut. 4:2, Genesis through Deuteronomy were the entire Bible—that’s all the revelation God had given to that point. So, yes, Moses was speaking of the “entire Bible” available at that time. Don’t add to it; don’t take away from it.

Great. Then don’t add or take away from these scriptures.

he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. Acts 19:2-6


Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:14-17

 

[Vinny37]

I disagree with your opinion. There was NO misquote of the KJV of Deut. 4:2 which is...........
" Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."

It was a misquote on your part to downgrade the KJV [LORD] to [Lord]: you have now correctly quoted the KJV of this text. I am actually disappointed that you try to deny or justify your former misquote, which is so glaringly obvious for any with eyes to see. Ps.110:1 contrasts the standard English use of the term, lord. You might argue that is not a meaningful misquote (Tyndale thought otherwise), but factually you misquoted. It would have been more correct to have owned your mistake, than to have called me at best mistaken, at worst perhaps a liar.

To upgrade to [Yahweh] would be a misquote, but in the right direction: I happily misquote thus. Downgrading, even unintentionally as you did, does favour Sabellianism. You misquote added visual downgrade to the KJV’s audio downgrade, so eliding even more the name, Yahweh, into Yeshua. And many Christians, asked Who is lord? will say that Yeshua is (a NT given). Yet Yeshua should not be confused with Yahweh. If we confuse the names, we end up with the idea of one person wearing different masks, which is Sabellianism (a trinity of masks), and which undermines the orthodox concept, trinity (a trinity of persons). In fact, the KJV has mistranslated the Hebrew script, but what the heck.

When OPs claim their black is white, I feel it’s time to leave the post.

 

[Rodger]

It was a misquote on your part to downgrade the KJV [LORD] to [Lord]: you have now correctly quoted the KJV of this text. I am actually disappointed that you try to deny or justify your former misquote, which is so glaringly obvious for any with eyes to see. Ps.110:1 contrasts the standard English use of the term, lord. You might argue that is not a meaningful misquote (Tyndale thought otherwise), but factually you misquoted. It would have been more correct to have owned your mistake, than to have called me at best mistaken, at worst perhaps a liar.

To upgrade to [Yahweh] would be a misquote, but in the right direction: I happily misquote thus. Downgrading, even unintentionally as you did, does favour Sabellianism. You misquote added visual downgrade to the KJV’s audio downgrade, so eliding even more the name, Yahweh, into Yeshua. And many Christians, asked Who is lord? will say that Yeshua is (a NT given). Yet Yeshua should not be confused with Yahweh. If we confuse the names, we end up with the idea of one person wearing different masks, which is Sabellianism (a trinity of masks), and which undermines the orthodox concept, trinity (a trinity of persons). In fact, the KJV has mistranslated the Hebrew script, but what the heck.

When OPs claim their black is white, I feel it’s time to leave the post.

Thanks for your observation and I am just as disappointed that you have the time to think you have the ability and time to critique others.

AS for correcting.....O copied and pasted the exact same KJV from the exact ssame website.

 

[donadams]

We see all over TV and in books the names of leaders who call themselves "Apostles" so that they can claim the ability of the Apostles in Marl 16.

Now, to be clear we need to understand what the word apostle means.
#1. “One who is sent out.” That being the case then, YES, there were more than the Original 12.
#2. The Original Twelve chosen by Jesus and listed in several places in the Scriptures. That being the case, Then NO.

In the New Testament, there are two primary usages of the word apostle. I think that we must be clear here in that The first is in specifically referring to the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ. They are the ones who were given the "sign gifts" in Mark 16 and they had the same abilities as did the Lord Jesus.

The second meaning is in generically referring to other individuals who are sent out to be messengers/ambassadors of Jesus Christ.

The Original twelve apostles held a unique position. In referring to the New Jerusalem, Rev. 21:14 says.......
“The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”

The Original twelve apostles are also referred to in Matthew 10:2; Mark 3:14; 4:10, 6:7 9:35, 14:10, 17 and 20; Luke 6:13; 9:1 22:14.

It was these twelve apostles who were the first messengers of the gospel after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It was these twelve apostles who were the foundation of the church—with Jesus being the cornerstone and they were witnesses of the Life and Resurrection of Jesus.

The Scriptures tell us in 1 Corth. 9:1 that to be an Apostle, one had to be a witness of the Lord Jesus...
"Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord?

This specific type of apostle is not present in the church today. The qualifications of this type of apostle were: .....
(1) to have been a witness of the resurrected Christ (1 Corinthians 9:1),
(2) to have been explicitly chosen by the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:15), and
(3) to have the ability to perform signs and wonders (Acts 2:43; 2 Corth. 12:12.)

Scripture is clear that there IS a 3 fold qualification to be an Apostle who Jesus chose as a select group of men to be His apostles and to be the foundation of the Church.

Also, please take the time to do the work and do not believe what I say, there are NO, NONE, ZERO Scriptures that say or suggest that there is any kind of Apostolic "succession"!

then Paul was not an apostle?

if the requirement is not possible its no longer a requirement

the office of apostle has come down to the bishops

apostolic succession acts 1:26

and titus / timothy succeeded Paul

matt 28:19-20 & acts 1:8 require the apostles to remain until the end of the world!

you probably think there are also no priests in the new covenant!

can a man be saved without a priest?

thks

 

[JLB]

It is only wallies just within, or from outside, pentecostalism, who suggest inspired addition to canon. There is local church prophecy which has noncanonical functions, today, as at Corinth’s C1 local church. Scriptural canon also allows for predictive prophecy, eg Agabus. Again, such is noncanonical and as valid today, as at C1 Jerusalem. Scripture is the anchor, and any type of prophecy today is not to add or subtract doctrine to the set canon. We are not to extinguish both strange fire and holy fire. That God can give specific warnings or commands, does not violate Scripture.

But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Shall be saved.’ Acts 2:16-21


As long as it’s still the “last days” then prophecy and dreams and visions, signs and wonders are what the Holy Spirit is doing.

 

[Rodger]

then Paul was not an apostle?

if the requirement is not possible its no longer a requirement

the office of apostle has come down to the bishops

apostolic succession acts 1:26

and titus / timothy succeeded Paul

matt 28:19-20 & acts 1:8 require the apostles to remain until the end of the world!

you probably think there are also no priests in the new covenant!

can a man be saved without a priest?

thks

You are correct in that he did not walk with Jesus while He was on the earth. It is and has been universally accepted that although he was not present, Jesus Himself called Paul to Apostelship by a vistation with him and given a vision of the resurrected Christ.

Now, Acts 1:26 is simply the Apostle trying to replace Judas. As I am sure you know, that act was rejected by God hence the calling of Paul. Then it should be know by you that Acts 1:26
is a narrative describing the fulfillment of Psalms 69:25 and there is no Bible record that Apostles were replaced from that time forward.

"Can a man be saved without a priest".

Again, just like Scriptures that validate Apostolic succession, the concept of confession of sin to a priest is nowhere taught in Scripture.
Also........ NO WHERE in the New Testament does not teach that there are to be priests in the New Covenant.

In the Old Covenant, the faithful had to approach God through the priests. The priests were mediators between the people and God. The priests offered sacrifices to God on behalf of the people. That is no longer necessary. Because of Jesus’ sacrifice, we can now approach God’s throne with boldness (Hebrews 4:16).

We need to confess our sins and believe upon Jesus and When it comes to confession of sin, believers are told in 1 John 1:9 to confess their sins to God.

 

[hawkman]

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[donadams]

who says there can only be 12 apostles?

thousands exist at any given time administering the kingdom matt 21:43 Lk 22:29
apostles have the same authority as Christ! Jn 13:20 Jn 20:21-23 heb 3:1

Christ ia an apostle and has authority to make and send apostles so the apostles have the same authority until Christ returns

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of jurisdictional authority! Open and shut And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18-19 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of The being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments for the forgiveness of sin.


The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24 Christ united with His church matt 28:20 Jn 15:5

 

[donadams]

You are correct in that he did not walk with Jesus while He was on the earth. It is and has been universally accepted that although he was not present, Jesus Himself called Paul to Apostelship by a vistation with him and given a vision of the resurrected Christ.

Now, Acts 1:26 is simply the Apostle trying to replace Judas. As I am sure you know, that act was rejected by God hence the calling of Paul. Then it should be know by you that Acts 1:26
is a narrative describing the fulfillment of Psalms 69:25 and there is no Bible record that Apostles were replaced from that time forward.

"Can a man be saved without a priest".

Again, just like Scriptures that validate Apostolic succession, the concept of confession of sin to a priest is nowhere taught in Scripture.
Also........ NO WHERE in the New Testament does not teach that there are to be priests in the New Covenant.

In the Old Covenant, the faithful had to approach God through the priests. The priests were mediators between the people and God. The priests offered sacrifices to God on behalf of the people. That is no longer necessary. Because of Jesus’ sacrifice, we can now approach God’s throne with boldness (Hebrews 4:16).

We need to confess our sins and believe upon Jesus and When it comes to confession of sin, believers are told in 1 John 1:9 to confess their sins to God.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

does not say who to confess to!

Jn 20:21-23

21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

thks

 

[donadams]

You are correct in that he did not walk with Jesus while He was on the earth. It is and has been universally accepted that although he was not present, Jesus Himself called Paul to Apostelship by a vistation with him and given a vision of the resurrected Christ.

Now, Acts 1:26 is simply the Apostle trying to replace Judas. As I am sure you know, that act was rejected by God hence the calling of Paul. Then it should be know by you that Acts 1:26
is a narrative describing the fulfillment of Psalms 69:25 and there is no Bible record that Apostles were replaced from that time forward.

"Can a man be saved without a priest".

Again, just like Scriptures that validate Apostolic succession, the concept of confession of sin to a priest is nowhere taught in Scripture.
Also........ NO WHERE in the New Testament does not teach that there are to be priests in the New Covenant.

In the Old Covenant, the faithful had to approach God through the priests. The priests were mediators between the people and God. The priests offered sacrifices to God on behalf of the people. That is no longer necessary. Because of Jesus’ sacrifice, we can now approach God’s throne with boldness (Hebrews 4:16).

We need to confess our sins and believe upon Jesus and When it comes to confession of sin, believers are told in 1 John 1:9 to confess their sins to God.

new covenant priests

Christ is high priest so there must be low priests of the same ministerial order offering the same sacrifice

Christ is eternal priest. Heb 7:17
And the nature of a priest to to offer sacrifice so he has an eternal sacrifice!

apostles are ordained by Christ at the last supper!

Moreover the new covenant of ministerial or low priests are commanded by Christ offer His sacrifice!

1 cor 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

Pure offering or clean oblation or unbloody sacrifice!


“Jesus Christ is high priest of the (ministerial) order of melchisedec”.
acts 10:14
heb 5:1
heb 8:1
heb 8:3

Over the Sacerdotal Ministerial priesthood: “apostles & their successors, and those they ordain” “low priests” under the authority of Christ the “high priest”!

With priestly ministry:

Lk 22:19 1 cor 10:16 1 cor 11:24-26 At the last supper apostles ordained priests with the command to “do this in memory of me”!
Mk 3:14 “ordained”
Matt 22:14 Jn 15:16 “chosen” “ordained”
Jn 20:21 “sent by Christ with His authority”
Jn 20:23 “power to forgive sins”
Acts 1:8 “anointing with power”
acts 1:15-26 “ministry / bishop”
Acts 2:38-39 “administered sacraments”
acts 14:23 “ordained”
Acts 16:4 “ordained “
Rom 15:16 “minister / sanctify”
1 cor 9:14 “ordained”
1 Tim 2:7 “ordained”
1 Tim 3:1-2 “bishop”
1 Tim 4:14 “priest” “priestly ministry”
Phil 1:1 “bishops deacons”
James 5:14 “anointing with oil”

The ministerial priesthood acts in “the person of Christ” so it is Christ who acts thru them vicariously.
2 cor 2:10 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24

looks like its time to reject fundamentalism!

thks

 

[donadams]

You are correct in that he did not walk with Jesus while He was on the earth. It is and has been universally accepted that although he was not present, Jesus Himself called Paul to Apostelship by a vistation with him and given a vision of the resurrected Christ.

Now, Acts 1:26 is simply the Apostle trying to replace Judas. As I am sure you know, that act was rejected by God hence the calling of Paul. Then it should be know by you that Acts 1:26
is a narrative describing the fulfillment of Psalms 69:25 and there is no Bible record that Apostles were replaced from that time forward.

"Can a man be saved without a priest".

Again, just like Scriptures that validate Apostolic succession, the concept of confession of sin to a priest is nowhere taught in Scripture.
Also........ NO WHERE in the New Testament does not teach that there are to be priests in the New Covenant.

In the Old Covenant, the faithful had to approach God through the priests. The priests were mediators between the people and God. The priests offered sacrifices to God on behalf of the people. That is no longer necessary. Because of Jesus’ sacrifice, we can now approach God’s throne with boldness (Hebrews 4:16).

We need to confess our sins and believe upon Jesus and When it comes to confession of sin, believers are told in 1 John 1:9 to confess their sins to God.

the throne of grace is Mary's throne! She is the mother of mercy, grace, and "our salvation"! Lk 1:28

28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.

 

[hawkman]

Now, Acts 1:26 is simply the Apostle trying to replace Judas. As I am sure you know, that act was rejected by God hence the calling of Paul. Then it should be know by you that Acts 1:26
is a narrative describing the fulfillment of Psalms 69:25 and there is no Bible record that Apostles were replaced from that time forward.

Please show us where the the act of replacing Judas was rejected by God with bible verses .

 

[Rodger]

Please show us where the the act of replacing Judas was rejected by God with bible verses .

Poor choice of words on my oart. Actually I based that comment on the fact that Matthias is never again mentioned in the New Testament, so by that it seems to me that he was not validated as an apostle and then that Jesus personally called Paul a the 12 th apostle confirmed my view.

Acts 1:4.....
"And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, "you heard from me;".
The apostles had strict instructions from Jesus to tarry, to wait for the Holy Ghost, before they moved one inch in the ministry left to them. They were commanded to do nothing until the coming of the Spirit, the Holy Ghost, who would lead them into all truth. There remained ten days from that time until Pentecost; but in spite of the command, ‘Do nothing until the Spirit comes to guide and direct you,’ the disciples did not wait for the Spirit. They immediately called a meeting, and in the energy of the flesh they elected a twelfth apostle.

 

[Rodger]

the throne of grace is Mary's throne! She is the mother of mercy, grace, and "our salvation"! Lk 1:28

28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.

Ridiculous!! Nothing more than biased Catholic doctrine of totally misunderstood Bible teaching.

 

[Rodger]

new covenant priests

Christ is high priest so there must be low priests of the same ministerial order offering the same sacrifice

Christ is eternal priest. Heb 7:17
And the nature of a priest to to offer sacrifice so he has an eternal sacrifice!

apostles are ordained by Christ at the last supper!

Moreover the new covenant of ministerial or low priests are commanded by Christ offer His sacrifice!

1 cor 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

Pure offering or clean oblation or unbloody sacrifice!


“Jesus Christ is high priest of the (ministerial) order of melchisedec”.
acts 10:14
heb 5:1
heb 8:1
heb 8:3

Over the Sacerdotal Ministerial priesthood: “apostles & their successors, and those they ordain” “low priests” under the authority of Christ the “high priest”!

With priestly ministry:

Lk 22:19 1 cor 10:16 1 cor 11:24-26 At the last supper apostles ordained priests with the command to “do this in memory of me”!
Mk 3:14 “ordained”
Matt 22:14 Jn 15:16 “chosen” “ordained”
Jn 20:21 “sent by Christ with His authority”
Jn 20:23 “power to forgive sins”
Acts 1:8 “anointing with power”
acts 1:15-26 “ministry / bishop”
Acts 2:38-39 “administered sacraments”
acts 14:23 “ordained”
Acts 16:4 “ordained “
Rom 15:16 “minister / sanctify”
1 cor 9:14 “ordained”
1 Tim 2:7 “ordained”
1 Tim 3:1-2 “bishop”
1 Tim 4:14 “priest” “priestly ministry”
Phil 1:1 “bishops deacons”
James 5:14 “anointing with oil”

The ministerial priesthood acts in “the person of Christ” so it is Christ who acts thru them vicariously.
2 cor 2:10 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24

looks like its time to reject fundamentalism!

thks

Catholic dogma! There are NO Scriptures that tell us Priests are in the New Test.

Jesus has made all believers are “a kingdom, priests to his God and Father.”

You are welcome to live your life under the false teachings of the Catholic church however the BIBLE is totally clear in that we do not find the idea of a Christian priesthood where some man has rights and prerogatives beyond what any believer has.

 

[Rodger]

who says there can only be 12 apostles?

thousands exist at any given time administering the kingdom matt 21:43 Lk 22:29
apostles have the same authority as Christ! Jn 13:20 Jn 20:21-23 heb 3:1

Christ ia an apostle and has authority to make and send apostles so the apostles have the same authority until Christ returns

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of jurisdictional authority! Open and shut And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18-19 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of The being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments for the forgiveness of sin.


The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24 Christ united with His church matt 28:20 Jn 15:5

Again....(4) There are NO Scriptures anywhere in the Bible that say, imply or suggest Apostolic succession!

If You want to believe what the Catholic church has told you over and above what the Word of God says.....that will be on you.

Actually your question above on "WHY" there can only be 12 Apostles tells me that you have not done very much Bible study.

So then, allow me to say to you that the #12 throughout the Bible, represents completeness, authority, and divine order. From the Old Testament to the New Testament, this number appears ove and over in various contexts, each time carrying rich symbolism and spiritual significance.

In the Old Testament, the 12 tribes of Israel symbolize the unity and completeness of God's chosen people. Each tribe, representing a distinct lineage, contributes to the cohesive identity of Israel as a whole. The number 12 thus embodies the idea of a fully constituted community under the divine guidance of God.

In addition to that, in the New Testament, Jesus selected 12 apostles to accompany him during his earthly ministry. This deliberate choice aligns with the symbolic weight of the number 12, signifying the establishment of a new spiritual community under the leadership of Christ. The apostles, akin to the 12 tribes of Israel, form a cohesive and representative group, tasked with spreading the message of salvation to the world.

Now, if you will go to the book of the Revelation, you will see the image of the New Jerusalem adorned with 12 gates, each inscribed with the name of one of the 12 tribes of Israel. The city's foundation features 12 layers, adorned with the names of the 12 apostles of the Lamb. This imagery underscores the continuity and unity between the Old and New Testaments, as well as the completeness and inclusivity of God's redemptive plan for humanity.

BUT.........There is NO Scripture of any kind of Apostolic sucession in the Bible.