There Are NO Apostles Today

[Vinny37]

I appreciate your words and thoughts.

May I add to your comment of What I hate are the words..........."God spoke to me and said"!

As with many other words and phrases from the Bible, many people misunderstand the gift of prophecy and because of what they have learned from the Old Test. about "Prophets", they equate that understanding to be the ability to predict the future as the prophets did.

It is my understanding that while knowing something about the future may sometimes have been an aspect of the gift of prophecy, as given from prophets, it was primarily a gift of proclamation which is “fore-telling”.

All of those Old Test. men did exactly that as God moved them to write and record. Once that was recored it was the Word of God about what was coming.

I have been taught my whole life that when the New Testament finished, "prophesying" changed from declaring new revelation to declaring the completed revelation God has already given.

Jude 3 speaks of “the faith which was once delivered unto the saints"..

In other words, the faith to which we hold has been settled forever, and it does not need the addition or refinement that comes from extra-biblical revelations from a man who claims to be a prophet or that he received a new word of knowledge from God.

The problem with that is the Bible itself. In Deuteronomy 4:2 are clear directions.........
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."

What does that mean? It means that when a man says....."God told me, or God spoke to me" or "I have a vision of what is coming next year"...........What he says next must be what God has already said in HIs written word!

It is only wallies just within, or from outside, pentecostalism, who suggest inspired addition to canon. There is local church prophecy which has noncanonical functions, today, as at Corinth’s C1 local church. Scriptural canon also allows for predictive prophecy, eg Agabus. Again, such is noncanonical and as valid today, as at C1 Jerusalem. Scripture is the anchor, and any type of prophecy today is not to add or subtract doctrine to the set canon. We are not to extinguish both strange fire and holy fire. That God can give specific warnings or commands, does not violate Scripture.

That some miscite God, can violate us. Cliff Richard had an unknown woman turn up, saying God said that Cliff was to marry her. Fine, said Cliff, but I’ll wait until he tells me directly: he was right, but remains a bachelor boy. That prophecy can be abused does not mean it cannot be valid. Scripture has predicted that prophecy will end at the Eschaton, and Scripture too shall end then, but the End is not yet, thus prophecy remains. Ac.16 shows how general directions by God’s will, can be finetuned by specific directions by God, and Ac.21 shows that predictiveness does not always mean directiveness.

On sageism, I note that OT prophets of Yahweh could be women or men. Today, both men & women, and at times children (like Samuel), may prophesy.

If you check with the KJV on Dt.4:2, you will see your misquote by copy/paste. By LORD the KJV meant Yahweh (as Moses had written), not the lord (adonai), which easily sounds like Yeshua (1 Cor.12:3) so leads to Sabellianism. Tyndale upgraded from the Catholic Vulgate, which Wycliffe had sadly kept to. Tyndale used either [the LORDe] or [Iehouah], transliterated somewhat differently in today’s alphabet: the KJV 1611 used Iehouah.

There are some good reasons not to diminish God’s name from Yahweh to LORD: imagine Mt.1:21 as, “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name LORD: for he shall save his people from their sins.” If Yahweh has lost his name, why should Jesus not lose his?

But given the dubious practice of LORD, there are some good reasons not to further diminish God’s name from LORD to Lord (Ps.110:1). The end is Sabellianism. Let us not misquote Scripture, or at least not misquote it into deeper error.

 

[hawkman]

The problem with that is the Bible itself. In Deuteronomy 4:2 are clear directions.........
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."

What does that mean? It means that when a man says....."God told me, or God spoke to me" or "I have a vision of what is coming next year"...........What he says next must be what God has already said in HIs written word!

Deuteronomy 4:2 is all about Israel keeping the law and not modifying the law from what God gave them .
THAT is what it means .
God still speaks to his people about any subject he wants to . Ask him about it .

 

[Rodger]

Deuteronomy 4:2 is all about Israel keeping the law and not modifying the law from what God gave them .
THAT is what it means .
God still speaks to his people about any subject he wants to . Ask him about it .

I disagree my friend. IMHO, you are looking at this through the eyes of biased Pentecostal vision.
In your world, by rejecting the Word of God in Deut. 4:2, you open the door to any extreme action or doctrine based on what any person today wants to say. By that process we now have.......
1. The Prosperity Gospel
2. The Name and Claim It Doctrine
3. “Touch not God’s anointed” = The saying is meant to forbid criticism of the movement’s leaders.
4. Slain In The Spirit.

If I am wrong, I sincerely apologize as I am only exposing what "Adding" to the Word of God always leads to.

Do you realize that when Moses gave the instruction in Deut. 4:2, Genesis through Deuteronomy were the entire Bible—that’s all the revelation God had given to that point. So, yes, Moses was speaking of the “entire Bible” available at that time. Don’t add to it; don’t take away from it.

 

[Rodger]

It is only wallies just within, or from outside, pentecostalism, who suggest inspired addition to canon. There is local church prophecy which has noncanonical functions, today, as at Corinth’s C1 local church. Scriptural canon also allows for predictive prophecy, eg Agabus. Again, such is noncanonical and as valid today, as at C1 Jerusalem. Scripture is the anchor, and any type of prophecy today is not to add or subtract doctrine to the set canon. We are not to extinguish both strange fire and holy fire. That God can give specific warnings or commands, does not violate Scripture.

That some miscite God, can violate us. Cliff Richard had an unknown woman turn up, saying God said that Cliff was to marry her. Fine, said Cliff, but I’ll wait until he tells me directly: he was right, but remains a bachelor boy. That prophecy can be abused does not mean it cannot be valid. Scripture has predicted that prophecy will end at the Eschaton, and Scripture too shall end then, but the End is not yet, thus prophecy remains. Ac.16 shows how general directions by God’s will, can be finetuned by specific directions by God, and Ac.21 shows that predictiveness does not always mean directiveness.

On sageism, I note that OT prophets of Yahweh could be women or men. Today, both men & women, and at times children (like Samuel), may prophesy.

If you check with the KJV on Dt.4:2, you will see your misquote by copy/paste. By LORD the KJV meant Yahweh (as Moses had written), not the lord (adonai), which easily sounds like Yeshua (1 Cor.12:3) so leads to Sabellianism. Tyndale upgraded from the Catholic Vulgate, which Wycliffe had sadly kept to. Tyndale used either [the LORDe] or [Iehouah], transliterated somewhat differently in today’s alphabet: the KJV 1611 used Iehouah.

There are some good reasons not to diminish God’s name from Yahweh to LORD: imagine Mt.1:21 as, “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name LORD: for he shall save his people from their sins.” If Yahweh has lost his name, why should Jesus not lose his?

But given the dubious practice of LORD, there are some good reasons not to further diminish God’s name from LORD to Lord (Ps.110:1). The end is Sabellianism. Let us not misquote Scripture, or at least not misquote it into deeper error.

I disagree with your opinion. There was NO misquote of the KJV of Deut. 4:2 which is...........
" Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."

You seem overly concerned with who copied and pasted so the source of Deut. 4:2 above is---

Deuteronomy 4:2 Study Bible: You shall not add to the word which I command you, neither shall you diminish from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

I am not sure what your intentions are, but I can assure you that there was no part of mine intended to result in trying to suggest that there is only one distinct reality (hypostasis) in the Trinity, =
Sabellianism stemming from your view of God's name.

Sabellianism has been condemned as heresy in most all Christian denominations that have any Bible understanding.

 

[JLB]

I disagree my friend. IMHO, you are looking at this through the eyes of biased Pentecostal vision.
In your world, by rejecting the Word of God in Deut. 4:2, you open the door to any extreme action or doctrine based on what any person today wants to say. By that process we now have.......
1. The Prosperity Gospel
2. The Name and Claim It Doctrine
3. “Touch not God’s anointed” = The saying is meant to forbid criticism of the movement’s leaders.
4. Slain In The Spirit.

If I am wrong, I sincerely apologize as I am only exposing what "Adding" to the Word of God always leads to.

Do you realize that when Moses gave the instruction in Deut. 4:2, Genesis through Deuteronomy were the entire Bible—that’s all the revelation God had given to that point. So, yes, Moses was speaking of the “entire Bible” available at that time. Don’t add to it; don’t take away from it.

Great. Then don’t add or take away from these scriptures.

he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. Acts 19:2-6


Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:14-17