How to find the ten kings who destroy Jerusalem

[Shilohsfoal]

do you know? johnny

Ive already showed you inscripture when it takes place.
yes I know.

 

[johnny botwright]

you still have not produced a very clear picture concerning ISRAEL AND COMING EVENTS. ? Johnny

 

[Shilohsfoal]

you still have not produced a very clear picture concerning ISRAEL AND COMING EVENTS. ? Johnny

This thread is about the kings that destroy the whore.
I think the scripture is clear as to where they come from.

 

[johnny botwright]

you dont know then the answers to my questions, thats fair enough,

as for where the Kings come from, the verse you quote from Jeremiah could it not be reffering to Babylon, and not the mystery babylon.?

as in 51.10 they are recounting in Zion , how the Lord has brought about their vindication.
chapter 51 is about Babylon judged for sins agaisnt Israel. johnny

 

[Shilohsfoal]

you dont know then the answers to my questions, thats fair enough,

as for where the Kings come from, the verse you quote from Jeremiah could it not be reffering to Babylon, and not the mystery babylon.?

as in 51.10 they are recounting in Zion , how the Lord has brought about their vindication.
chapter 51 is about Babylon judged for sins agaisnt Israel. johnny

Its is refering to the same Babylon the great.
If you know who Israel is ,you wouldnt have any problem understanding.

Just because the beast calls himself Israel doesnt mean he is Israel.
It is those who overcome who are called by the name of Israel=the saints.

 

[johnny botwright]

the only problem is ive seen people take different scriptures, and paint a picture of Israel , since being gathered from the nations, and becoming Israel, how no harm will befall isreal ,God is in their mist, ect
all backed up with scripture, to put forward their view point.

then ive seen others turn the coin over and take different scriptres, put them to gether to paint a different picture , according to their view point.
for example you could look up all the scriptures with harlot and apply them to Jerusalem, but is this the correct way to use the scriptures, would they really be in their correct context?
same is true for several topics, rapture, anti christ , gifts of the spirit, was cain satans son ect.

either way the scriptures used, i question if they are being used in their right context,the right way, we can all play with words.

johnny

 

[Shilohsfoal]

the only problem is ive seen people take different scriptures, and paint a picture of Israel , since being gathered from the nations, and becoming Israel, how no harm will befall isreal ,God is in their mist, ect
all backed up with scripture, to put forward their view point.

then ive seen others turn the coin over and take different scriptres, put them to gether to paint a different picture , according to their view point.
for example you could look up all the scriptures with harlot and apply them to Jerusalem, but is this the correct way to use the scriptures, would they really be in their correct context?
same is true for several topics, rapture, anti christ ect.

either way the scriptures used, i question if they are being used in their right context,the right way, we can all play with words.

johnny

Its because you dont pay attention to what is written.How many time did I put this verse in your face and you not pay attention to what it says?

Ezekiel 38;11
And thou shalt say,I will go up to the land of unwalled villiges;I will go to them that are at rest,that dwell safely,all of them dwelling without walls,and having neither bars nor gates.

You know darn well that the people who live in the land of Israel today do not dwell there safely.You know for a fact that they live behind walls.They are building walls today even.Its called the security fence.Thats how safe they feel.They are building weapons of every sort ,not burning them.The people who dwell there now are not at rest.

 

[johnny botwright]

oh i pay attension, i can see why some people feel the battle Ezekiel mentions in chapter 38/39

is not the same battle mentioned in revelations 20.7 youre clutching at straws .

why only when Israel is delivered, Ezekiel 39 by Gods power, do they from that day forward acknowledge
the Lord is their God,
If Jesus has been ruling in Jerusalem for a thousand years prior to this. they must be a bit slow on the up take?

what i am saying is we need to be carefull not to twist scripture to fit, suit our agenda, view point.

youre saying the same people who destroyed babylon,are now the same people who will be used to destroy Jerusalem ?

johnny

 

[Shilohsfoal]

oh i pay attension, i can see why some people feel the battle Ezekiel mentions in chapter 38/39

is not the same battle mentioned in revelations 20.7 youre clutching at straws .

why only when Israel is delivered, Ezekiel 39 by Gods power, do they from that day forward acknowledge
the Lord is their God,
If Jesus has been ruling in Jerusalem for a thousand years prior to this. they must be a bit slow on the up take?

what i am saying is we need to be carefull not to twist scripture to fit, suit our agenda, view point.

youre saying the same people who destroyed babylon,are now the same people who will be used to destroy Jerusalem ?

johnny

No Im not.The old Babylon was not destroyed by the Medes.
With the decline of the Roman Empire the city of Babylon was not that important to world trade and commerce. Political, religious, and economic centers moved eastward and westward. Many of the beautiful bricks were carried off to be used in construction projects in Baghdad, Damascus, and cities of the decathlon. However, this was such a huge metropolis that the majority of the buildings and walls remained to be covered up with the sands of the Euphrates River and the blowing sands of the Middle East. The decline of Babylon was a slow process that occurred over a thousand years. There was no sudden destruction of Babylon.

 

[johnny botwright]

Then are you saying in your opion that scriptures that once reffered to the old Babylon, you qoute from Jeremaih chapter 50,those same scriptures now in your opion now reffer to Jerusalem,? or only the ones you have selected? johnny

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Then are you saying in your opion that scriptures that once reffered to the old Babylon, you qoute from Jeremaih chapter 50,those same scriptures now in your opion now reffer to Jerusalem,? or only the ones you have selected? johnny

I never said what I quoted was about old Babylon.History proves it wasnt .
Do you understand ?

 

[johnny botwright]

do you understand,you base your theory on Jeremiah chapter 51-11 51-13 chapter 50/ 51 prophecy and judgement agaisnt babylon.
In revenge of Israel.

your interpretation, God is going to raise up Iran to destroy Jerusalem and avenge his temple, based on the two scriptures you have selected.

we deal in wisdom, knowledge, and the truth, correctly interpretating the scriptures.

Are you confident what you are presenting is the correct interpretation ? johnny

 

[Shilohsfoal]

do you understand,you base your theory on Jeremiah chapter 51-11 51-13 chapter 50/ 51 prophecy and judgement agaisnt babylon.
In revenge of Israel.

your interpretation, God is going to raise up Iran to destroy Jerusalem and avenge his temple, based on the two scriptures you have selected.

we deal in wisdom, knowledge, and the truth, correctly interpretating the scriptures.

Are you confident what you are presenting is the correct interpretation ? johnny

I understand it .But obviously you dont.
The Medes never destroyed old Babylon.Only a fool would believe they did seeing history proves they didnt.Therefore the scripture in question pertains to another Babylon.It pertains to another Babylon or God was wrong.You be the judge.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Jerumiah 51;6
Flee out of the midst of Babylon,and deliver every man his soul;be not cut off in her iniquity;for this is the time of the Lord's vengeance;he will render unto her a recompence.

Johnny
If a prophet of God dwelled in old Babylon and thought this was about old Babylon,would he stay there for the rest of his life?
The answer is with Daniel.Daniel the prophet never left Babylon.After the people were freed,Daniel stayed there for the rest of his life and is buried there.


The Babylon you read of in Jerimiah 51;6 is the same as Rev 18;4
And I heard another voice from heaven saying,Come out of her my people,that ye be not partakers of her sins,and recieve not of her plagues.

Also.In Jerimiah 51;6 it states that this is the time of God's vengeance.If the time of God's vengeance was 2500 years ago then why did Jesus say the time of God;s vengeance would be
Luke 21;22
For these be the days of vengeance,that all things which are written may be forfilled.

There ,Jesus told you when the time of God's vengeance is.
In the next verse he will tell you who that vengeance is taken on.
Luke 21;23
But woe unto them that are with child,and to them that give suck in those days!for there shall be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.


Now I dont care what you or anybody else believes or wants to believe.What I care about is the truth and I get my truth from Jesus.All the antichrists that are in the land of Israel today who say the Messiah hasnt come cant understand anything in Jerimiah because they dont listen to Jesus.But I understand what shall happen to them because Jesus said so.You can go throughout the old testement and pull out parts of scripture and claim this or that but if your words dont line up with Jesus's then I would consider you another lier.

 

[johnny botwright]

so the prophecys in Jeremiah chapter 50 agaist Babylon did not come to pass then?, and the judgements agaisnt Babylon in chapter 51, to avenge Israel,? also did not come to pass then, ?

In Daniel Ch 2:36-45, and Ch 7:15-18. Babylon was the head of the man. Babylon was the first beast to rise up out of the sea of people and rule the earth. And so the seat of Satan was Babylon, but it was defeated by Media Persia.

and Babylon was not defeated by Media Persia,? as it had been prophecied, declared, as part of the judgements, vengence to befall Babylon.?

come out of her my people, ive seen this used to speak of the Catholic church, one billion members ect
also as you are saying Jerusalem, Israel, as you are declaring.
do you believe God gathered Israel from the nations, to make Israel a nation 1948, and are you now saying people are to leave the physical Israel ,
because of pending Judgements ect

you state above
You can go throughout the old testement and pull out parts of scripture and claim this or that but if your words dont line up with Jesus's then I would consider you another lier.

its not myself plucking out parts of scripture as you mention. johnny

 

[Shilohsfoal]

so the prophecys in Jeremiah chapter 50 agaist Babylon did not come to pass then?, and the judgements agaisnt Babylon in chapter 51, to avenge Israel,? also did not come to pass then, ?

In Daniel Ch 2:36-45, and Ch 7:15-18. Babylon was the head of the man. Babylon was the first beast to rise up out of the sea of people and rule the earth. And so the seat of Satan was Babylon, but it was defeated by Media Persia.

and Babylon was not defeated by Media Persia,? as it had been prophecied, declared, as part of the judgements, vengence to befall Babylon.?

come out of her my people, ive seen this used to speak of the Catholic church, one billion members ect
also as you are saying Jerusalem, Israel, as you are declaring.
do you believe God gathered Israel from the nations, to make Israel a nation 1948, and are you now saying people are to leave the pshyical Israel ,
because of pending Judgements ect johnny

Babylon was never destroyed.Can you unsderstand me.
I SAID.BABYLON WAS NEVER DESTROYED BY THE MEDES.
Did I say that loud enough for you to hear?

Babylon 51 is talking about Jerusalem and the vegeance of God for his temple.
God's temple is the saints that is murderd by Babylon.
As it is written.Vengeance is mine saith the Lord.I will recompence.

Old Babylon was a very nice city even after the time of the Medes.Just ask Alexander the great.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

do you believe God gathered Israel from the nations, to make Israel a nation 1948, and are you now saying people are to leave the pshyical Israel ,
because of pending Judgements ect

johnny

God didnt gather anyone from the nations.
The beast called them and they heard his voice and they followed him.

Again you ignore Jesus .
Mt 8;11-12
And I say unto you,That many shall come from the east and west,and shall sit down with Abraham,and Isaac and Jacob,in the kingdom of heaven.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness;there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


How often do you make Jesus out to be a lier?
It is Jesus who gathers the lostr sheep of the house of Israel.It is Jesus who shall lead the saints into the promised land.The children of that kingdom who are there when Jesus returns will be cast out .

 

[johnny botwright]

so like i said, are you saying none of the prophecys in Jeremiah chapter 50, and judgements to avenge Isreal

declared in chapter 51, came to pass agaisnt Babylon. johnny

 

[Shilohsfoal]

so like i said, are you saying none of the prophecys in Jeremiah chapter 50, and judgements to avenge Isreal

declared in chapter 51, came to pass agaisnt Babylon. johnny

Jer 51 has yet to take place.

 

[johnny botwright]

so you are declaring that Jeremiah 51 is referring to the present day Israel, and Jerusalem ?


and not severe judgement of God agaist Babylon , in revenge of Isreal, as declared in the scriptures?

johnny