• Love God, and love one another!

    Share your heart for Christ and others in Godly Love

    https://christianforums.net/forums/god_love/

  • Want to discuss private matters, or make a few friends?

    Ask for membership to the Men's or Lady's Locker Rooms

    For access, please contact a member of staff and they can add you in!

  • Wake up and smell the coffee!

    Join us for a little humor in Joy of the Lord

    https://christianforums.net/forums/humor_and_jokes/

  • Need prayer and encouragement?

    Come share your heart's concerns in the Prayer Forum

    https://christianforums.net/forums/prayer/

  • Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?

    Join Hidden in Him and For His Glory for discussions on how

    https://christianforums.net/threads/become-a-vessel-of-honor-part-2.112306/

  • Have questions about the Christian faith?

    Come ask us what's on your mind in Questions and Answers

    https://christianforums.net/forums/questions-and-answers/

  • CFN has a new look and a new theme

    "I bore you on eagle's wings, and brought you to Myself" (Exodus 19:4)

    More new themes coming in the future!

  • Read the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ?

    Read through this brief blog, and receive eternal salvation as the free gift of God

    /blog/the-gospel

  • Focus on the Family

    Strengthening families through biblical principles.

    Focus on the Family addresses the use of biblical principles in parenting and marriage to strengthen the family.

How to find the ten kings who destroy Jerusalem

Jerimiah 51;45
My people,go ye out of the midst of her,and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the Lord.


The true story of what happened to ancient Babylon under the Medes.
And you want to call this God's fierce anger?ROFLOL

Persia captures Babylon
In 539 BC, the Neo-Babylonian Empire fell to Cyrus the Great, king of Persia, with an unprecedented military engagement known as the Battle of Opis. The famed walls of Babylon were indeed impenetrable, with the only way into the city through one of its many gates or through the Euphrates, which ebbed beneath its thick walls. Metal gates at the river's in-flow and out-flow prevented underwater intruders, if one could hold one's breath to reach them. Cyrus (or his generals) devised a plan to use the Euphrates as the mode of entry to the city, ordering large camps of troops at each point and instructed them to wait for the signal. Awaiting an evening of a national feast among Babylonians (generally thought to refer to the feast of Belshazzar mentioned in Daniel V), Cyrus' troops diverted the Euphrates river upstream, causing the Euphrates to drop to about 'mid thigh level on a man' or to dry up altogether. The soldiers marched under the walls through the lowered water. The Persian Army conquered the outlying areas of the city's interior while a majority of Babylonians at the city center were oblivious to the breach. The account was elaborated upon by Herodotus,[9] and is also mentioned by passages in the Hebrew Bible.[10][11]

Cyrus later issued a decree permitting captive people, including the Jews, to return to their own land (as explained in the Old Testament), to allow their temple to be rebuilt back in Jerusalem.

Under Cyrus and the subsequent Persian king Darius the Great, Babylon became the capital city of the 9th Satrapy (Babylonia in the south and Athura in the north), as well as a centre of learning and scientific advancement. In Achaemenid Persia, the ancient Babylonian arts of astronomy and mathematics were revitalised and flourished, and Babylonian scholars completed maps of constellations. The city was the administrative capital of the Persian Empire, the preeminent power of the then known world, and it played a vital part in the history of that region for over two centuries. Many important archaeological discoveries have been made that can provide a better understanding of that era.[12][13]

The early Persian kings had attempted to maintain the religious ceremonies of Marduk, but by the reign of Darius III, over-taxation and the strains of numerous wars led to a deterioration of Babylon's main shrines and canals, and the disintegration of the surrounding region. Despite three attempts at rebellion in 522 BC, 521 BC and 482 BC, the land and city of Babylon remained solidly under Persian rule for two centuries, until Alexander the Great's entry in 331 BC.
 
Jerimiah 51;45
My people,go ye out of the midst of her,and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the Lord.

This is more like God's fierce anger.

Rev16;19
And the great city was devided into thee parts,and the cities of the nations fell;and great Babylon came in remembrance before God,to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fieceness of his wrath.


But if you want to think God's anger is to cause a city to flourish under the Medes then you can believe that.
 
Jerimiah 51;45
My people,go ye out of the midst of her,and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the Lord.


The true story of what happened to ancient Babylon under the Medes.
And you want to call this God's fierce anger?ROFLOL

Persia captures Babylon
In 539 BC, the Neo-Babylonian Empire fell to Cyrus the Great, king of Persia, with an unprecedented military engagement known as the Battle of Opis. The famed walls of Babylon were indeed impenetrable, with the only way into the city through one of its many gates or through the Euphrates, which ebbed beneath its thick walls. Metal gates at the river's in-flow and out-flow prevented underwater intruders, if one could hold one's breath to reach them. Cyrus (or his generals) devised a plan to use the Euphrates as the mode of entry to the city, ordering large camps of troops at each point and instructed them to wait for the signal. Awaiting an evening of a national feast among Babylonians (generally thought to refer to the feast of Belshazzar mentioned in Daniel V), Cyrus' troops diverted the Euphrates river upstream, causing the Euphrates to drop to about 'mid thigh level on a man' or to dry up altogether. The soldiers marched under the walls through the lowered water. The Persian Army conquered the outlying areas of the city's interior while a majority of Babylonians at the city center were oblivious to the breach. The account was elaborated upon by Herodotus,[9] and is also mentioned by passages in the Hebrew Bible.[10][11]

Cyrus later issued a decree permitting captive people, including the Jews, to return to their own land (as explained in the Old Testament), to allow their temple to be rebuilt back in Jerusalem.

Under Cyrus and the subsequent Persian king Darius the Great, Babylon became the capital city of the 9th Satrapy (Babylonia in the south and Athura in the north), as well as a centre of learning and scientific advancement. In Achaemenid Persia, the ancient Babylonian arts of astronomy and mathematics were revitalised and flourished, and Babylonian scholars completed maps of constellations. The city was the administrative capital of the Persian Empire, the preeminent power of the then known world, and it played a vital part in the history of that region for over two centuries. Many important archaeological discoveries have been made that can provide a better understanding of that era.[12][13]

The early Persian kings had attempted to maintain the religious ceremonies of Marduk, but by the reign of Darius III, over-taxation and the strains of numerous wars led to a deterioration of Babylon's main shrines and canals, and the disintegration of the surrounding region. Despite three attempts at rebellion in 522 BC, 521 BC and 482 BC, the land and city of Babylon remained solidly under Persian rule for two centuries, until Alexander the Great's entry in 331 BC.

So where does it say there that no casualties were involved?

Where does it say there was no force or killing or fire?

What do you think was invloved when 'The Persian Army conquered the outlying areas of the city's interior'?

Do you think they just walked up to the populace and said 'hello there...I'm conquering you ok?'

You have no idea what happened at ancient Babylon.

When conquering is involved....then killing and violence is involved.

Wern't the people who fled Babylon saved from the wrath of God by evading the 'conquering' hordes of the Medes?

Not only that but wern't they spared also because they were not involved in a) The later rebellions (which were no doubt violent) and b) Being absorbed into the Persian armys and dying in their constant wars?

Theres no reason why Jeremiah cant be talking about ancient Babylon.

Sorry. Still no sale.
 
So where does it say there that no casualties were involved?

Where does it say there was no force or killing or fire?

What do you think was invloved when 'The Persian Army conquered the outlying areas of the city's interior'?

Do you think they just walked up to the populace and said 'hello there...I'm conquering you ok?'

You have no idea what happened at ancient Babylon.

When conquering is involved....then killing and violence is involved.

Wern't the people who fled Babylon saved from the wrath of God by evading the 'conquering' hordes of the Medes?

Not only that but wern't they spared also because they were not involved in a) The later rebellions (which were no doubt violent) and b) Being absorbed into the Persian armys and dying in their constant wars?

Theres no reason why Jeremiah cant be talking about ancient Babylon.

Sorry. Still no sale.

Why would anyone need to flee?The Medes were not there to hurt any jews.
Tell me this .Do you think the prophet Daniel would flee because of the fierce anger of the Lord if that was the fierce anger of the Lord?Where does the scripture say Daniel fled too?When did he ever leave at all?
 
The TEN HORNS/TEN KINGS appear to have FLIPPED:

Rev. 17:
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

KINGS OF THE EARTH:

Psalm 2:

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

(also cited by The Apostles in Acts 4 showing that GOD CONTROLS THEM)

Psalm 76:12
He shall cut off the spirit of princes: he is terrible to the kings of the earth.

s
 
Why would anyone need to flee?The Medes were not there to hurt any jews.
Tell me this .Do you think the prophet Daniel would flee because of the fierce anger of the Lord if that was the fierce anger of the Lord?Where does the scripture say Daniel fled too?When did he ever leave at all?

Ok so when the persians let the Jews out of babylon thats the fulfilment of jer 51:45/////

So whats the problem. It all works out. It's ancient Babylon.

No sale.
 
The TEN HORNS/TEN KINGS appear to have FLIPPED:

Rev. 17:
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

KINGS OF THE EARTH:

Psalm 2:

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

(also cited by The Apostles in Acts 4 showing that GOD CONTROLS THEM)

Psalm 76:12
He shall cut off the spirit of princes: he is terrible to the kings of the earth.

s

They just want Jerusalem back,
Thats what Muhammed taught them in the quran.They are doing what they believe they are supposed to do.
They are told to drive them out where they have beren driven out.The problem these ten kings have is they are not saved.They also dont understand the saints inherrit the promised land so when they attempt to take back Jerusalem from the beast they end up being destroyed by the Lamb.They cant win for losing.
 
Ok so when the persians let the Jews out of babylon thats the fulfilment of jer 51:45/////

So whats the problem. It all works out. It's ancient Babylon.

No sale.

Jerimiah 51;45
My people,go ye out of the midst of her,and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the Lord.

Daniel never left ancient Babylon.
And ancient Babylon never felt the fierce anger of the Lord.Nor did Daniel.
 
They just want Jerusalem back,
Thats what Muhammed taught them in the quran.They are doing what they believe they are supposed to do.
They are told to drive them out where they have beren driven out.The problem these ten kings have is they are not saved.They also dont understand the saints inherrit the promised land so when they attempt to take back Jerusalem from the beast they end up being destroyed by the Lamb.They cant win for losing.

I don't see the 'kings of the earth' or the 'spirit of princes' as people, but the working powers of evil and foul spirits in mankind. This tends to move me off of land or people specific views.

s
 
Jerimiah 51;45
My people,go ye out of the midst of her,and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the Lord.

Daniel never left ancient Babylon.
And ancient Babylon never felt the fierce anger of the Lord.Nor did Daniel.

Well....ancient Babylon aint there anymore so something bad happened to it.

Theres too many specifics in Jeremiah that link it with ancient Babylon.

And your whole theory rests on it.

It's too shaky.

I'll keep my money for now...unless you can come up with something better.
 
many believe Iran and Irans allies will be defeated in the battle of Ezekiel 38/39 , contary to your self,

just seems strange to me that God gathers Israel fom the nations, back to the promised Land, only so he can take revenge, using Iran,

and you justfiy your theory by using scriptures, where in fact, God was saying he had not forsaken Israel, and was going to avenge them agaisnt Babylon, which he did. johnny
 
many believe Iran and Irans allies will be defeated in the battle of Ezekiel 38/39 , contary to your self,

just seems strange to me that God gathers Israel fom the nations, back to the promised Land, only so he can take revenge, using Iran,

and you justfiy your theory by using scriptures, where in fact, God was saying he had not forsaken Israel, and was going to avenge them agaisnt Babylon, which he did. johnny

Babylon is alive and well .In fact Babyklon will soon be killing Israel.
But you cant understand that bewcause you dont know who babyloj is nor do you know who Israel is.
Your just as drunk as Babylon.

And for you infomation.Israel is in Babylon serving the king of Babylon as we speak.
 
Well....ancient Babylon aint there anymore so something bad happened to it.

Theres too many specifics in Jeremiah that link it with ancient Babylon.

And your whole theory rests on it.

It's too shaky.

I'll keep my money for now...unless you can come up with something better.


Well it sure wasnt the Medes who did anything bad to Babylon.
They wanted to keep it for themselves they liked it so much.But Alexander the Great wanted it too so they lost it.
 
many believe Iran and Irans allies will be defeated in the battle of Ezekiel 38/39 , contary to your self,

just seems strange to me that God gathers Israel fom the nations, back to the promised Land, only so he can take revenge, using Iran,

and you justfiy your theory by using scriptures, where in fact, God was saying he had not forsaken Israel, and was going to avenge them agaisnt Babylon, which he did. johnny

Maybe you should start another thread on this subject.
See according to you theory.God is not able to kill Gog in thier first battle and has to try once more 1000 years later.
Im sure you will get alot of people to believe that just as you do.
 
well as mentioned there are things in your theory that do not stack up, with out going around in circles, why does Israel after seeing the Lords deliverence , in Ezekiel, and seeing their enemies defeated, turn to the Lord, and from that day forward believe the Lord is their God.

you mention Iran destroying Jerusalem? then the king of the North, nuking the middle East? who you say is the US.

this would leave the middle east as a nuclear wasteland, what who and where is the king of the south.

where does Arrmegedon fit into your theory, who makes up this battle and what is the out combe,

what of the 144.000 mentioned in revelation? and so on.

i can under stand why people think Jerusalem is the harlot, though in revelation 19, is there once again reffered to as the beloved city.

johnny
 
well as mentioned there are things in your theory that do not stack up, with out going around in circles, why does Israel after seeing the Lords deliverence , in Ezekiel, and seeing their enemies defeated, turn to the Lord, and from that day forward believe the Lord is their God.

you mention Iran destroying Jerusalem? then the king of the North, nuking the middle East? who you say is the US.

this would leave the middle east as a nuclear wasteland, what who and where is the king of the south.

where does Arrmegedon fit into your theory, who makes up this battle and what is the out combe,

what of the 144.000 mentioned in revelation? and so on.

i can under stand why people think Jerusalem is the harlot, though in revelation 19, is there once again reffered to as the beloved city.

johnny

Jerusalem is mentione as the beloved city.Its more of the location though and not buildings.It is where the saints are camped at when Gog comes upon the mountains of Israel .
Rev 20;8-9
And shall go out to decieve the nations which are in the four quaters of the earth,Gog and Magog,to gather them together to battle;the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breath of the earth,and compassed the camp of the saints about,and the beloved city;and fire came down from God out of heaven,and devoured them.

After Israel has been gatherd into the land promised to them and have been there for 1000 years.Gog comes against them but God destroys Gog at this time.Seeing this takes place at the beloved city and the numbers of Gog is as the sand of the sea,I would say there will be a great many bodies covering the land.I hope someone will bury all those bodies and bones.That would be an eyesore.

After 1000 years is when these things take place.It is at this time New Jerusalem shall come down out of heaven-see Rev21;2.

And it is at this time that God shall dwell with them.
Rev 21;3
And I heard a greaty voice out of heaven saying.Behold,the tabernacle of God is with men,and he will dwell with them,and they shall be his people,and God himself shall be with them,and be thier God.
 
ps
Armegedon is in Israel.
Armegedon isnt far from Babylon the great.
Its known as a field of battle.The last battle Ive read of happening there was between Great Brittian and the Ottoman empire.
Theres a mountain overlooking the battlefield. I think its called mt meggido?
 
Well it sure wasnt the Medes who did anything bad to Babylon.
They wanted to keep it for themselves they liked it so much.But Alexander the Great wanted it too so they lost it.

Well...it sure was the SPIRIT of the Medes who suddenly quenched Babylon.
 
Back
Top