How to interpert Genesis

[th1b.taylor]

This all still begs the question of how does one rely on Scripture.

And the answer will throughout the limited span of time, the same By Faith! Without faith, all goo to Hell, no matter how good they are by man's standard!

 

[th1b.taylor]

Yeah, the only one I would really consider allegory would be Genesis 2-3. The rest doesn't really follow allegorical patterns, though I would still say that reading it as history in the modern sense is anachronistic.

And snap! And you just closed the lid on the box containing your god in a box.

 

[jasonc]

Satan ,not real.funny what was Jesus talking too during his tests?

 

[Free]

STOP. You've made this point, and it was not agreed on as valid. Repeating it will not valudate it. It will not strengthen it. It will bot help.

But simply saying it is invalid, or not agreeing that it is valid, does not make it so either. It was all written in extremely different theological, historical, and social contexts, which makes his point valid and it needs to be addressed.

 

[Nathan]

"The first step in destroying a persons belief in the truth is to make one question it"

-Nathan

Gen 3:1
Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?”

 

[Free]

"The first step in destroying a persons belief in the truth is to make one question it"

-Nathan

Gen 3:1
Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?”

But that is begging the question--it presumes that what one believes is actually the truth.

 

[Jim Parker]

STOP. You've made this point, and it was not agreed on as valid.

Not agreed?
Since when does consensus determine fact?
But, I get it.
You don't want to know.

 

[Jim Parker]

You've stated your position and it's worth exploring and considering.

ANd wouldn't it be swell if those who accuse me of not believing God would actually explore and consider what I've posted.
I repeat it because it appears that no one wants to hear.

 

[Nathan]

But that is begging the question--it presumes that what one believes is actually the truth.

Fair enough - but that is the deception.

When a person knows the truth, they actually know it. Its different when a person just 'feels' like what they know is the truth, or if they 'hope' what they know is the truth. Knowing the truth is absolute.

Any person can be swayed by anything when they do not 'know' something. However, when a person knows something, then the only way to sway them is to directly make them question what it is you are attacking.

The question is then this - whats the difference between someone attacking truth, and someone trying to teach truth? Both can be viewed as the same thing to some.

There is only one way to absolutely know - and that is to know the truth. Whatever is not truth is a lie. Is this circular thinking?

Here is the point. Only God knows the truth. Only those who the Spirit is in can know the truth. Most importantly, those who the Spirit is in will know the truth - if they listen.

Most people want to think they know the truth, so they do not listen.

 

[Jim Parker]

Satan ,not real.funny what was Jesus talking too during his tests?

Did someone actually say that Satan is not a reality?
oi veh

 

[th1b.taylor]

Faith is a peculiar thing and, far to often abused by pretenders. As per the Barna Christian researchers, few in the Church, actually, from the heart, believe and fully rely on Jesus to save them, they appear to Walk the Walk but that is because they have become very familiar with the rules and are every bit as good as the Pharisees, the Sadducees and the Scribes. All or, at least, the largest part of them appear to be genuine to most people.

But the issue is with self perception. On the Personal Level, I suck and I know this, primarily because of my study of the scriptures and the summary found in Romans 3:10 and 23.

It is natural for any man to want to better themselves and that is found as the measurement used for success in most American Churches of the day, but it is a false measurement. God demands that we humble ourselves and to follow Him, not that we formulate a stance and then lead in that direction. It is counter intuitive from the surface to the heat of a man, but tat is the requirement that Faith requires.

I am proud I can sit in my wheelchair and tell younger men that when I was a Contractor, I drew Top Dollar because of the quality of the work I, and my men produced. When I could no longer carry my load in the company I founded I sold, gave it away to my partner, out and went to Driving, swearing never to carry any liquid loads.

Caution: Never tell God never!

My last load was 10 yards of Ready Mix, #4 Concrete. It is not only fluid and sloshes around with every movement of the truck, every s3cond to three seconds it drops five thousand, or more, pounds of the load from near the top of the Drum to the left side of the truck. If the Driver makes a Right Turn at a Red Light at any speed over Twelve Miles Per Hour, that forty to fifty thousand pound Drum will land on the top of that car full of kids sitting at the Red Light that are trying to get you to toot the Air Horn, killing them, one thing any man of war never wants to see, let alone be guilty of.

I drove that Mixer with a great deal of faith and God saw to it that I never harm anyone nor anything but He did let a couple of very expensive cars to total themselves against the rear end.

But that is not the faith that is important here. That Faith is described/defined in the Old and in the New Testaments. Biblical Faith cannot be tested and proven by anything physical because it is a 100% Spiritual Matter and Spirits are not visible to the natural eye and few are they that can even visualize such a thing, they do not have the Saving Faith!

That is a harsh, though, accurate statement and Modern Forms of the Christian Faith must learn cease to live avoiding making. We are not and never will be called to lie to people about their condition, That the World has invaded the Sanctuary with it's fa;se interpretation of Matthew 7:1 and have, incorrectly made it a key verse should be well known and well preached over and examined and rejected in every Church in the World.

What do I mean by that? There are several forms of context surrounding this one verse. Te first, naturally, is it's Local Context, it is the first sentence of the chapter seven so how does that connect into the entire chapter and before we go to the most important context, it is the opening statement of the first paragraph.

How do the other five sentences in that paragraph modify and/or reflect on the sentence that has been cruelly ripped from it's context? You will find the World as raped the Bible to get the desired translation they desired. Jesus is teaching here that w are to, in the process of becoming a Holy People, devoted to Him and His service, not Judge from our unrighteousness but to clean our own lives up before trying to help another along on their journey and except you judge something, you will never be qualified to help, even yourselves. You cannot grow that faith that saves because you remain trfapped in this world that is Temporal.

 

[th1b.taylor]

ANd wouldn't it be swell if those who accuse me of not believing God would actually explore and consider what I've posted.
I repeat it because it appears that no one wants to hear.

But Jim, Jesus said that if they would not hear, to kick the dust of that place off of yor feet and go to te next location.

 

[Jim Parker]

It is natural for any man to want to better themselves and that is found as the measurement used for success in most American Churches of the day, but it is a false measurement.

 

[Jim Parker]

Good advice Not_Now.Soon . We get it Jim Parker . You've stated your position and it's worth exploring and considering. But others see it differently including experts in the field of biblical studies. There will always be differences in our understanding. In the meantime, let's have fun and share our thoughts with grace as we are called to do.

So are you saying I should shut up now?
Unlike those who start thread after thread proclaiming the OSAS doctrine, I shouldn't attempt to explain and share what I gleaned from seven years of seminary because it's not gracious to do so?

I am a bit put off by your comment, Mr. Moderator.

 

[Papa Zoom]

So are you saying I should shut up now?
Unlike those who start thread after thread proclaiming the OSAS doctrine, I shouldn't attempt to explain and share what I gleaned from seven years of seminary because it's not gracious to do so?

I am a bit put off by your comment, Mr. Moderator.

Ephesians 4:1-3 (NIV)
4 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.

Colossians 4:6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

Not saying shut up. But you lack humility and show little grace. You could start there.

 

[Jim Parker]

But you lack humility and show little grace. You could start there.

Well. I did ask.
And you were very frank.
I'll try to be more gracious when attacked by my brothers.

 

[Papa Zoom]

Well. I did ask.
And you were very frank.
I'll try to be more gracious when attacked by my brothers.

and humble - and even when not attacked

 

[Jim Parker]

and humble - and even when not attacked

Maybe everyone could try that too. (Some do. yes)
And, JTLYK, stating a fact as concisely as possible is not a lack of humility it is the quest for clarity.

 

[Papa Zoom]

Maybe everyone could try that too. (Some do. yes)
And, JTLYK, stating a fact as concisely as possible is not a lack of humility it is the quest for clarity.

Fine. Then I will highlight where in your posts you fall short and stray from simply and concisely stating facts, and arrogantly snapping at others.

 

[Jim Parker]

Fine. Then I will highlight where in your posts you fall short and stray from simply and concisely stating facts, and arrogantly snapping at others.

Are you going to do that for everyone?