How To Lose Your Salvation...

[Kidron]

ok, here is the only example of how to do it.

"commit the unpardonable sin".

Well, first you have to figure out what it is, and its not what you think.
You think its..."blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", Matthew 12:27-32ish because you dont understand the context of 12:27, but actually that is not it.
NOPE.
Try again....

So, how do you, a Christian, commit the unpardonable sin?
First you have to ask yourself ......what sin is it that the Blood of Christ does not pardon.??
The answer to that is ...."there is none".
Then you say...."but what about the "unpardonable sin" (Matt 12:27 - 32 or so..
And i say to you again, that as you dont know what this is, why are you trying to use it as a reason to esteem that you yourself or some here have committed it or could?

so, what IS this unpardonable sin if there is one regarding the Christian?
well, most who dont know but think they know will say..."its to blaspheme the Holy Spirit". (see Matthew again).,
Then, i say to you that as Jesus is/was talking to Messiah Rejecting JEWs in Matthew who have accused him of doing his works based on the power of the Devil and he says that if THEY keep this up, there is no forgiveness for THEM, in this life or the next world, etc........I SAY......is that YOU?
Is it?
Are you JEWISH and 2oo0 years ago accusing Jesus to his FACE of doing his miracles by the power of the devil?
no?
Thats not you?
Are you sure?
Then, why are you trying to explain to anyone that this is the "unpardonable sin", when you didnt even understand it, till i just explained it to you?
So, aren't you something;-).

Now, how do you go to hell?
How?
Well, its simple, you commit the unpardonable sin once.
And you say...."well, what is it"?
And yes, there is one of those sins, however its not YOU as a Jew 2000 years ago watching JESUS in person do a miracle then accusing him of doing it by the power of Satan.
Follow me?
So, then, WHAT IS the unpardonable sin?

Well thats a good question, and i want you to know the answer so that you can instruct your preacher and your Sunday school teacher with the correct knowledge im going to give you so that they will stop screwing with their member's minds about this issue and causing them to doubt their salvation.

Now, listen.
The "unpardonable sin", would be the one that finds you dead and UNFORGIVEN of your Sins.
Now, try that again.
The one and only Unpardonable SIN, is the one that finds You DEAD and UNFORGIVEN when you meet your maker.
So, how do you do it?
Its simple.
You die having rejected Christ, and thereby end up being judged for your unpardoned lifetime of sinning.
In other words, to die a Christ Rejector, which means you die "unpardoned", is the one and only... "Unpardonable SIN.
See it?
Look again.
In other words, there is no way God can pardon you if you REJECT his pardon., and THAT is the unpardonable sin.....its the act of the willful sin of rejecting Christ and dying unpardoned.
That is the only SIN that God cant forgive, as if you do that, you have rejected the only means he has to pardon you, so, you die a Christ Rejecting unpardoned soul.....(also known as a fool, as only a fool will refuse pardon and meet God as a JUDGE instead of as a FATHER).
Simple isnt it?
And you thought you had to go back in time 2000 years, become a Messiah rejecting JEW, and accuse Jesus to his FACE of healing by the power of the devil and in this way blaspheme the very Spirit of God .
However, thats not going to happen, now is it.....and this is why the "unpardonable sin" is something completely different .....and that is to say.......all you have to do is reject Christ and DIE and you committed the ONLY SIN that the Blood of Christ cant Pardon......AS HOW CAN HE PARDON REJECTION OF HIS PARDON?
So, the "unpardonable sin" is to REJECT PARDON by Rejecting Christ, which is to reject the mercy of God and the gift of pardon.

SEE IT?
GOOD.

The short version of the unpardonable sin is simply to die a Christ Rejector which is another way of saying that to die rejecting pardon is to die with the one sin that cant be pardoned, which is to die having rejected God's mercy.
So, if you reject it, that is the one sin that cant be forgiven as there is no blood or sacrifice applied to you if you reject it, and that is the only sin that CANT BE forgiven.
So, IT, the act of willfull Christ Rejection, and dying, is to commit the one sin that cant be pardoned, and that is all it takes to choose hell for eternity.
Just that one sin.
One Sin = Reject Christ = Reject Pardon = Die unpardoned/unforgiven = your choice= Lake of Fire.

SO, now you know that if you are a Christian, you cant go to hell, as the only way to do it would be to die having no forgiveness of all your sins, based entirely on the fact that you rejected the pardon of your sins.
(Rejected Christ, die unpardoned= unpardonable sin).
And, as you have not done this, you cant die unpardoned once you have been SAVED, therefore, you as a Christian are not able to commit the sin of being unpardoned, as you have ALREADY BEEN PARDONED.
Done deal.
Sealed by the Blood of the Lamb once and for all.

Great.

next question...?



K

 

[Deborah13]

I understand you to be saying that the unpardonable sin has changed. If so I disagree.
I see what they did in their declaration against Jesus was the very rejection of who He was in that His casting out of demons was done by anything other than the Holy Spirit which is His very own spirit.

 

[ezrider]

Kidron, I think I understand what you are trying to say. The only sin that Christ can not pardon, is the sin of rejecting him. For as the Father has power to forgive, so also the Son has been given the power to forgive whom he will. But if you have rejected the promises of Christ, then you have rejected his pardon as well, and have committed the unforgivable sin. The Judgement of your soul has then passed from the Son back to the Father, where you await the final Judgement, living in fear of the lake of fire. What will you be able to bear in that day if Christ is not in you? For God is a consuming fire.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I like what you say Kidron.
Some people just don't understand and we have to accept that.

 

[Gary]

Kidron, I think I understand what you are trying to say. The only sin that Christ can not pardon, is the sin of rejecting him. For as the Father has power to forgive, so also the Son has been given the power to forgive whom he will. But if you have rejected the promises of Christ, then you have rejected his pardon as well, and have committed the unforgivable sin. The Judgement of your soul has then passed from the Son back to the Father, where you await the final Judgement, living in fear of the lake of fire. What will you be able to bear in that day if Christ is not in you? For God is a consuming fire.

That information is actually false. The truth is posted below.


Mark 3
28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter;
29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”—
30 because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”


Matthew 12
31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.


Luke 12
10 “And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.

 

[Willhopp]

[edit] And what education and divine intervention [edited by moderator]

 

[agua.]

I understand you to be saying that the unpardonable sin has changed. If so I disagree.
I see what they did in their declaration against Jesus was the very rejection of who He was in that His casting out of demons was done by anything other than the Holy Spirit which is His very own spirit.

I think possibly Kidron is suggesting that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit can only be committed by a non believer Deb.

 

[Willhopp]

Doesn't it bother everyone how people misinterpret the bible so often? How can you have ANY confidence in it and in your belief?

 

[ezrider]

Doesn't it bother everyone how people misinterpret the bible so often? How can you have ANY confidence in it and in your belief?

Why do you look for confidence in your Bible, when your confidence should be in the living Christ?

 

[Willhopp]

The bible is your guide. Why have the bible and why quote it and why use it as your evidence of Christ when it's merely the claim of his existence, not proof?

 

[Deborah13]

I think possibly Kidron is suggesting that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit can only be committed by a non believer Deb.

Yes, and I agree with him accept for...
I thought I was clear about what I didn't agree with, a very small portion of his post, and only then if I understood him correctly.
I don't believe that the definition of the unforgivable sin has changed. It was always the ultimate reject of Christ. Even in the Matthew account.

 

[agua.]

Doesn't it bother everyone how people misinterpret the bible so often? How can you have ANY confidence in it and in your belief?

Gday Willhopp,

We can have confidence that the Bible is the inspired Word of God but can't have confidence that we interpret every passage correctly this side of the Parousia. This doesn't bother me and keeps me searching the scriptures as the Bereans did. Like Ezirider said we can have complete confidence in Jesus.

 

[Deborah13]

[edit] And what education and divine intervention [edited by moderator]

1) Give other members the respect you would have them give to yourself. (ToS 2.4)
Address issues/ideas, not persons or personalities. Do not insult, publicly post derogatory opinions of others, post insinuation to belittle or discredit, or otherwise create a hostile environment. Present evidence for support or rebuttal during debate. Bashing the author of another view or opinion is not evidence.

 

[agua.]

Yes, and I agree with him accept for...
I thought I was clear about what I didn't agree with, a very small portion of his post, and only then if I understood him correctly.
I don't believe that the definition of the unforgivable sin has changed. It was always the ultimate reject of Christ. Even in the Matthew account.

Yes cool ! Like

 

[Deborah13]

Doesn't it bother everyone how people misinterpret the bible so often? How can you have ANY confidence in it and in your belief?

Our confidence is based on the risen Lord Jesus, not mens interpretations of God's words.
We search His words, we look to experts for the translations of original languages and to the oldest copies of what the original authors wrote.

In the secular world there is not a whole lot of argument about what the BC philosophers wrote. Nor is there a whole a lot of argument over the 1st century Roman Empire and that culture. Men trust those historical writings.

 

[Willhopp]

Didn't men interpret the words of god as they wrote the bible? Doesn't that concern you?

 

[Willhopp]

1) Give other members the respect you would have them give to yourself. (ToS 2.4)
Address issues/ideas, not persons or personalities. Do not insult, publicly post derogatory opinions of others, post insinuation to belittle or discredit, or otherwise create a hostile environment. Present evidence for support or rebuttal during debate. Bashing the author of another view or opinion is not evidence.

I found his initial post to be hostile and belittling, basically telling everyone in this site they were ignorant. How can you not see that?

 

[Deborah13]

Didn't men interpret the words of god as they wrote the bible? Doesn't that concern you?

Nope. I don't believe that the words of God were interpreted by the men who penned them. I believe that the words that they penned where the words that God Himself, by revelation, put into their hearts and minds. And that much of what they wrote they heard come straight from the mouth of Jesus Christ Himself.

 

[Deborah13]

I found his initial post to be hostile and belittling, basically telling everyone in this site they were ignorant. How can you not see that?

Sometimes people get a little carried away writing in caps, etc. but he didn't attack anyone personally nor did he demean Christianity or the Lord. I did not take it that he was being arrogant and saying everyone else is wrong.
Because you do not know what the Bible says about the subject his OP is referring to, you would see it differently than we do.

Sometimes people forget that when writing an opinion they really should word it that way.
'I believe' or 'imo'.

 

[Willhopp]

This is merely your opinion and you are speaking for everyone, which is wrong and presumptuous. I would guess that I have read and studied and interpreted the bible more than most on this site, especially the members who choose to "believe in Christ" instead of the bible.