How to walk by the spirit.

[Hopeful 2]

Show me where the word "water" is mentioned in the following verse.

Jesus said..."Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Was there any other substance used for baptizing men for the remission of past sins, other than water ?
What did John the Baptist use to baptize ?
Why would that change, after his death ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Mmmmmmm
It seems that the way in which this is interpreted is: walking by the Holyghost, which I'll call the Spirit of Christ, the resurrected power of His glorified body we become like what we choose to follow.

Why do you go so far out of the way to see what is not there ?

What it didn't say is the body of sin is or was destroyed, however "that it might be."

Yep...do X and Y, and Z will occur !

The terms " like and as" shows comparison. And here you did not do what Christ did, but through the committment of following Him participated in the likeness. So I find that you have read into to the scripture " is destroyed" rather than might be.

Have your understandings led to a life without sin ?
If not, your understandings are not of God.

Another words as scripture tells us, in using the term " might" >again<, that He came that He might destroy the works of the devil.
1 John 3:8
"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”

Yep, again, do X and Y, and Z will occur.

Hopeful 2

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

That's the trouble with internet forums, it is difficult to keep up with extended discussions that contain a dozen or more back and forth posts .
As to what you are asking about my response, I was responding to another person's contention that the Lord's Prayer applies only to Jews and not to Christians.

Thank you clearing that up! A blessed Christmas to you!

 

[Consecrated Life]

Thank you clearing that up! A blessed Christmas to you!

Same to you and yours , Merry Christmas !

 

[Tenchi]

I cannot have a conversation with you about walking in the spirit if you think the spirit of Christ is God.

Read Romans 8:9-12. The Holy Spirit is called both the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God in the passage.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Read Romans 8:9-12. The Holy Spirit is called both the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God in the passage.

Thomas said it best of all :

John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

 

[Follower Of Christ]

Read Romans 8:9-12. The Holy Spirit is called both the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God in the passage.

On the other hand, Christ from John 4:24 "God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."

Rather than arguing who belongs to what, it just makes sense to relabel this thread "How to worship in spirit and truth." Obviously if you agree God is Father, Word and The Holy Spirit and these three can stand for the other and represent the one living God.

 

[Peterlag7]

Read Romans 8:9-12. The Holy Spirit is called both the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God in the passage.

Okay let's look at it...

Romans 8:9-12
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. This verse does not say Jesus is God. It refers to the spirit of God that is also called the spirit of Christ which is our born again spirit that is inside all Christians.

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. This verse does not say Jesus is God. He refers to Christ being in you which is the spirit of Christ.

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. This verse does not say Jesus is God. It's referring to the spirit of God that is in all Christians.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

 

[Peterlag7]

Was there any other substance used for baptizing men for the remission of past sins, other than water ?
What did John the Baptist use to baptize ?
Why would that change, after his death ?

Yep there sure is. It's called being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and receiving his spirit. If you think remission of sins is achieved by water then I don't know what religion you are... maybe Jewish.

 

[Peterlag7]

That sure de-emphasizes the fact that God led Philip to the eunuch.
Your true colors are starting to show.

Let's start with Cornelius' household...
"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?" (Acts 10:47)
The Samarians in Acts 8...
"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women." (Acts 8:12)
And the big three at Corinth...
"I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
And I baptized also the household of Stephanas:" (1 Cor 1:14-16)
The Philippian jailer...
"And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway." (Acts 16:33)
Lydia and her household at Thyatira...
"And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us." (Acts 16:14)
Crispus, and the 'many' of Corinth...
"And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized." (Acts 18:8)
And, of course, the twelve at Ephesus...
"Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." (Acts 19:4-5)

Let's not start with Cornelius because it does not say he was baptized with water. It only mentions Peter asking about it.

 

[Peterlag7]

And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Acts 1:4-5



Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?”
Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”
And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing. Acts 8:35-39

• And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. Now when they came up out of the water

While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
Acts 10:44-48

• Then Peter answered, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.

JLB

I said teaching. Not who did it like only one guy called Philip.

 

[Peterlag7]

If what is said in 1 Peter 3:21... concerning the response to God as water baptism then it is our commitment to dying everyday that gives us a clear conscience before God.

I disagree that in their time, and in many churches that teach baptismal regeneration for remission of sin that it meant nothing to them.

It was about faith. If one believed water would save them then it most likely could have if they acted in faith. Faith in my view is moving in what you say you believe to be true. Another words God could use water to deliver people. As He told the man to take up His bed and walk, or the woman who believed if she could touch the hem of His garment shed be made whole..It was their action in faith. As walking around the wall of Jericho..and the list goes on.

Rhectorically, What did it mean that whatever Peter loosed on earth would be loosed in heaven?

So it should not cause you to be sad, one may be thinking the same on your behalf when you call yourself an advance Christian..Point is God is the one who makes one stand. He judges the heart, I highly doubt if He judges by rather we got all the correct answers and understanding.

1 Peter does not mention water. And you can have all the water you want. You can dive in it every Sunday at church. It just means nothing to God because water produces nothing in the New Testament.

 

[Follower Of Christ]

By the way from John 1:18 no one has seen God The Father and from John 16:28 Christ, The Word become flesh returns to The Father. From John 14:26 The Father sends the Holy Spirit representing God once Christ returns to the Father. So we worship in spirit and truth for if one is saved then Holy Spirit indwells in them.

Whether the Holy Spirit indwells in someone is seen by the spiritual fruits they produce, not the outward projections of thoughts including the countless sentences in this discussion post. Father calls us, Christ intercedes for us while the Holy Spirit indwells in us.

 

[Tenchi]

Romans 8:9-12
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. This verse does not say Jesus is God. It refers to the spirit of God that is also called the spirit of Christ which is our born again spirit that is inside all Christians.

I actually stipulated to what I was speaking in offering the verses from Romans 8 that I did, which was that the Holy Spirit is referred to both as the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God. I was not making a case for the deity of Christ. It's certainly quite easy to do so (Colossians 1:18-19; Colossians 2:9; John 10:30; John 1:1-3; Titus 2:13, etc.), but this wasn't what I was aimed at in the verses I cited.

Anyway, Romans 8:9 does NOT refer to our spirit but to the Person of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, who gives to us spiritual life in himself. The "Spirit of God" dwells in us, Paul wrote (1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19-20; 1 John 4:13; Titus 3:5), and then he pointed out that if anyone doesn't have the Spirit of Christ (aka the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit) within, they are not God's children. Paul, though, wrote nothing in verse 9 of our spirit.

 

[JLB]

I said teaching. Not who did it like only one guy called Philip.

Here are your exact words -

There's no Scripture teaching that Christians should baptize other Christians with water.

I gave you scripture where Phillip and Peter baptized people with water.

Here is another -

Therefore, when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John (though Jesus Himself did not baptize, but His disciples),
John 4:1-2


Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38


But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized. Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done. Acts 8:12-13

And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.
Acts 9:17-18


Now a certain woman named Lydia heard us. She was a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God. The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul. And when she and her household were baptized, she begged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” So she persuaded us. Acts 16:14-15


So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized.
Acts 16:31-33

 

[Peterlag7]

Here are your exact words -



I gave you scripture where Phillip and Peter baptized people with water.

Here is another -

Therefore, when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John (though Jesus Himself did not baptize, but His disciples),
John 4:1-2


Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38


But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized. Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done. Acts 8:12-13

And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.
Acts 9:17-18


Now a certain woman named Lydia heard us. She was a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God. The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul. And when she and her household were baptized, she begged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” So she persuaded us. Acts 16:14-15


So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized.
Acts 16:31-33

Here are your words...
There's no Scripture teaching that Christians should baptize other Christians with water.
Yep those are my words. So where's the teaching.
Therefore, when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John (though Jesus Himself did not baptize, but His disciples),
John 4:1-2
John 4:1-2 is not a teaching that Christians should baptize other Christians. There were not even Christians in John 4:1-2.
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38
Acts 2:38 does not mention water nor is it a teaching that Christians should baptize other Christians with water.
But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized. Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done. Acts 8:12-13 No water mentioned or a teaching that Christians should baptize other Christians.
And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.
Acts 9:17-18 No water mentioned or a teaching that Christians should baptize other Christians.
Now a certain woman named Lydia heard us. She was a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God. The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul. And when she and her household were baptized, she begged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” So she persuaded us. Acts 16:14-15 No water mentioned or a teaching that Christians should baptize other Christians.
So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized.
Acts 16:31-33 No water mentioned or a teaching that Christians should baptize other Christians.

 

[Peterlag7]

I actually stipulated to what I was speaking in offering the verses from Romans 8 that I did, which was that the Holy Spirit is referred to both as the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God. I was not making a case for the deity of Christ. It's certainly quite easy to do so (Colossians 1:18-19; Colossians 2:9; John 10:30; John 1:1-3; Titus 2:13, etc.), but this wasn't what I was aimed at in the verses I cited.

Anyway, Romans 8:9 does NOT refer to our spirit but to the Person of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, who gives to us spiritual life in himself. The "Spirit of God" dwells in us, Paul wrote (1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19-20; 1 John 4:13; Titus 3:5), and then he pointed out that if anyone doesn't have the Spirit of Christ (aka the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit) within, they are not God's children. Paul, though, wrote nothing in verse 9 of our spirit.

There is no person of the Holy Spirit. We have no evidence in the Bible that “the Holy Spirit” was ever used as a name because no one ever used it in a direct address. Many people spoke or prayed directly to God, starting out by saying “O Yahweh” (translated as “O LORD” in almost all English versions). Furthermore, the name “Jesus” is a Greek form of the name“Joshua” (in fact, the King James Version confuses “Joshua” and “Jesus” in Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8) and many people spoke “to Jesus” in the Bible. But no one in the Bible ever used “the Holy Spirit” in a direct address because there's simply no actual name for any “Person” known as “the Holy Spirit” anywhere in the Bible.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Yep there sure is. It's called being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ

That is how water baptism is done.
In Jesus' name, for the remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38, 22:16))

and receiving his spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is dependent on a real turn from sin and baptism first...as Peter commanded in Acts 2:38..."Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

If you think remission of sins is achieved by water then I don't know what religion you are... maybe Jewish.

I really don't think Peter was wrong.
Why do you ?
Does your sect teach that baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins is done without using water ?
What sect is that ?
Has it enabled anyone to live without sinning ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Let's not start with Cornelius because it does not say he was baptized with water. It only mentions Peter asking about it.

I think our conversation is over.

 

[Corinth77777]

Why do you go so far out of the way to see what is not there ?

Yep...do X and Y, and Z will occur !

Have your understandings led to a life without sin ?
If not, your understandings are not of God.

Yep, again, do X and Y, and Z will occur.

Anything that tries to disturb my peace is too expensive. You'll have to argue with someone that likes to deal with that energy....