Hypocritical?

[wavy]

No Wavy I am not saying he didn't follow the scriptures.

Scripture says that.

LoL, well I guess that destroys any further engagement in this little argument.

 

[PDoug]

How can you place manmade instructions on how to have faith over the ones given by Christ in Mark 11:22-24? Does what man think faith is, trumps what God declares faith to be?

If you are not happy with what I have presented in scripture please take that up with God.

Put yourself in the place of God for a moment? How would you view a relationship with your children? With all of them asking you for things because they believe you will supply anything they ask if they only believe. Would you model that same picture for your children?

Would you not supply what you thought would be best for them? Do you really expect God to be any different?

I believe God will supply anything we ask of him as long as it is line with what he thinks is best for us, with the requirement being that we believe he will provide it.

As far as any man made instructions is concerned, that is something I really do not wish to have any expertise in. So I will not go there.

But what you said did not address the issue of placing manmade instructions on how to have faith, above the ones Christ gave in Mark 11:22-24. Yes, God will provide for you, similar, even better, than how you provide for your children - but that is provided you have faith the way he prescribed. Therefore you should engage in the practice of asking God for things, and believing that you will receive them (Mark 11:22, 24), to both have faith and hence a legitimate relationship with God, and to obtain things from him as well. (Please read more on the subject here.)

 

[PDoug]

Is everyone that you are close to perfect? While there are a number of people who appear good at a distance, when you get to know them by spending time with them, you invariably see that much of their goodness is just a show. When you look beneath their surface behavior, you see lots of warts. That is what the following scriptures mean:

Therefore it is my testimony, that my observations of people are consistent with the above, and other scriptures.

Yes, I believe people are like that. But not all of them. Are you saying all people are as you descrived above as you spend time with them?

Yes. Everyone who does not have legitimate faith. Even those who do have legitimate faith are not perfect on the surface either. However what distinguishes them from everyone else, is that their fundamental behavior (seen in their significant actions) is consistently good.

 

[wavy]

Yes. Everyone who does not have legitimate faith.

Well, not in al encounters. This generalization cannot apply to everyone.

 

[Windozer]

But what you said did not address the issue of placing manmade instructions on how to have faith, above the ones Christ gave in Mark 11:22-24. Yes, God will provide for you, similar, even better, than how you provide for your children - but that is provided you have faith the way he prescribed. Therefore you should engage in the practice of asking God for things, and believing that you will receive them (Mark 11:22, 24), to both have faith and hence a legitimate relationship with God, and to obtain things from him as well. (Please read more on the subject here.)

I don't think I need to address any man made instructions in reference to Mark11:22-24. Why do you think I should? I do not know of any new christian who would not try out what Mark has to say about this and receive answers to that kind of prayer. I have certainly received my share of them.

But as I matured I went on to receive things of far greater value than that, and I now have no need for the things I did as a baby Christian.

Thanks just the same for your concern.

 

[PDoug]

Yes. Everyone who does not have legitimate faith.

Well, not in al encounters. This generalization cannot apply to everyone.

The more time you spend with someone, the more you will see that what I said (and what the bible says as well) is true.

 

[PDoug]

I don't think I need to address any man made instructions in reference to Mark11:22-24. Why do you think I should? I do not know of any new christian who would not try out what Mark has to say about this and receive answers to that kind of prayer. I have certainly received my share of them.

But as I matured I went on to receive things of far greater value than that, and I now have no need for the things I did as a baby Christian.

Thanks just the same for your concern.

Yes, but it is important to note that it is the practice outlined in Mark 11:22-24 (having faith), which defines a legitimate relationship with God. Therefore if someone does nothing else but Mark 11:22-24, then that person will have a legitimate relationship with God. But if someone does not do Mark 11:22-24, then that person will not have a legitimate relationship with God. It is from the practice of Mark 11:22-24, that a person gets all his godly qualities - including righteousness.

 

[Windozer]

Yes, but it is important to note that it is the practice outlined in Mark 11:22-24 (having faith), which defines a legitimate relationship with God. Therefore if someone does nothing else but Mark 11:22-24, then that person will have a legitimate relationship with God. But if someone does not do Mark 11:22-24, then that person will not have a legitimate relationship with God. It is from the practice of Mark 11:22-24, that a person gets all his godly qualities - including righteousness

I am unable to agree with you there. While that is a part of it, I have received Godly qualities from trusting him when he did not respond as I thought he would. (according to Mark). I have not received everything I have asked for I have received better than what I have asked for. I have received what I needed which in some circumstances has turned out to be exactly the opposite of what I thought I needed and had asked for.

 

[PDoug]

I am unable to agree with you there. While that is a part of it, I have received Godly qualities from trusting him when he did not respond as I thought he would. (according to Mark). I have not received everything I have asked for I have received better than what I have asked for. I have received what I needed which in some circumstances has turned out to be exactly the opposite of what I thought I needed and had asked for.

Please read here for how you can have faith effectively.

 

[Windozer]

Please read here for how you can have faith effectively.

Thanks but I think I will digress. I am quite contended with the way my faith has worked.

 

[John the Baptist]

Wow! Just on & on the 'faithful' go, huh?
Mankind is CARNAL & VAIN!
Born Again MAN is neither Carnal or VAIN!

LAW? The Born Again are as was ADAM BEFORE SIN!!! GOT THAT??
The Born Again are as the TRUTH tells us in Romans 8:1, with NO CONDEMNATION!! Got that??

1 John 3:4 tells the [UNIVERSE] that both do, & can 'still' sin the SIN UNTO DEATH. James 1:15, Matthew 12:31-32, Hebrews 6:6, 1 John 5:16-17. The FINISHED SIN UNTO DEATH is the MATURE GOAL that will be met!!Can the Holy Spirit [MOVE or LEAD YOU] is the question??

Any time [anyone] sins, they are right back CONDEMNED by ETERNAL COVENANT OF THE GODHEAD! Hebrews 13:20.

After a while, they are MATURE in their moral character one way or the other. Nahum 1:9. And Genesis 6:3.
David tell's [ALL] about the Eternal Covenant of God in Psalm 19:7-13. (K.J.)
This is simple to understand for a sincere seeker! The LAW OF THE LORD IS PERFECT CONVERTING THE SOUL!! Now what?? Notice verse 13!!

"Keep back thy servant [ALSO] from [PRESUMPTUOUS SINS:] (you CANNOT SIN without breaking the Law of God! *N.T. 1 John 3:5) let them [not have DOMINION OVER ME:] [/b]***[THEN] I shall be UPRIGHT, [AND INNOCENT FROM THE ***GREAT TRANSGRESSION]."
It is not only sinning [KNOWINGLY] that makes one CONDEMNED by the Eternal Covenant of God, but each and every time that one does so, they are embarking of the Sin against the Holy Ghost!! You know, QUENCH & GRIEVE until He can NO LONGER REACH THE PERSON, regardless if they had been at one time Born Again or had never been changed from carnal to spiritual in the first place.

Today, we are seeing the last PLEADING'S of the Holy Spirit on planet earth. Look around! Then READ & STUDY Revelation 17:1-5 and ask yourself if they have no faith, and no love, and no belief? Are they without educated 'minds'? Are they the unlearned of mans class?
By the way forum: Did you hear the world news today of Pat Robinson's remarks?? Do you not understand that the 'christians' of planet earth will do anything to get back the 'protection of God', EXCEPT LIVE IN ACCORDANCE TO THE GODHEADS ETERNAL COVENANT REQUIREMENTS??? USA will have a super revival, with NO REFORMATION!! On comes 666.
---John