Bible Study I Find It Interesting That The Bible Actually Talks About This

[HeIsRisen2018]

About the kind of people who like to showoff and I admit sometimes I can get like that but not for the reasons that this part talks about. Matthew 6:1

 

[Chopper]

About the kind of people who like to showoff and I admit sometimes I can get like that but not for the reasons that this part talks about. Matthew 6:1

Hmm, most folk, if their honest, are guilty, guilty, guilty! If you feel you're not, BRAVO!

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Hmm, most folk, if their honest, are guilty, guilty, guilty! If you feel you're not, BRAVO!

Nope, it's true. I am being one hundred percent honest here. I help others because it makes me feel good to make them feel good. Plain and simple. I don't have any other reasons for doing it.

 

[JohnDB]

There are two personality types of givers vx takers...God is a giver and so are his kids.

And outside of the initial appearance it's difficult to know who is who. Often first impressions of people are exactly the opposite of what they are.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I would also like to add that I may talk about what I do for others, but only because I'm so proud of myself. I don't really care whether or not they are proud of me.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Nope, it's true. I am being one hundred percent honest here. I help others because it makes me feel good to make them feel good. Plain and simple. I don't have any other reasons for doing it.

For as long as I worked and could generate more funding than my expenses I did my best not to be tied to any event that it might glorify YHWH.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

For as long as I worked and could generate more funding than my expenses I did my best not to be tied to any event that it might glorify YHWH.

Hey Bill! It's really good to see you again since I don't see that much of you anymore. Could you please rephrase what you're trying to say though? Sorry, but I'm a bit confused.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Hey Bill! It's really good to see you again since I don't see that much of you anymore. Could you please rephrase what you're trying to say though? Sorry, but I'm a bit confused.

Sorry about not being clear enough.

Many, claiming Yashuah for their own go about telling everyone, in their group, that they did this or they did that for the Pastor, the Church or for this or that member. In the Sermon on the Mount Yashuah said in Matt. 6:3 New American Standard Bible
"But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,

I encourage others to learn the joy of Glorifying our Elohim through His inspired giving but inside the Church, my Close Christian Church Family, I never give any examples that can be tied back to me, keeping the Right Hand, the other Members, from knowing what the Left Hand, me and mine, from knowing what we have done or what are doing.

Most of the membership roll will never know the joy of placing a large print Hymnal on the Music Leader's Stand and a thousand dollars worth of new Hymnals in the Pew Backs of a small but growing Church nor will they know the joy of burning a weeks pay on a tred mill for a fourteen year old diabetic whose family could not amass that much money in six moths.

Not knowing these sort of givings of gifts, they also, will never know the Blessings of YHWH because they have been Good Stewards.

I hope this clears up the issue for you.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Sorry about not being clear enough.

Many, claiming Yashuah for their own go about telling everyone, in their group, that they did this or they did that for the Pastor, the Church or for this or that member. In the Sermon on the Mount Yashuah said in Matt. 6:3 New American Standard Bible
"But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,

I encourage others to learn the joy of Glorifying our Elohim through His inspired giving but inside the Church, my Close Christian Church Family, I never give any examples that can be tied back to me, keeping the Right Hand, the other Members, from knowing what the Left Hand, me and mine, from knowing what we have done or what are doing.

Most of the membership roll will never know the joy of placing a large print Hymnal on the Music Leader's Stand and a thousand dollars worth of new Hymnals in the Pew Backs of a small but growing Church nor will they know the joy of burning a weeks pay on a tred mill for a fourteen year old diabetic whose family could not amass that much money in six moths.

Not knowing these sort of givings of gifts, they also, will never know the Blessings of YHWH because they have been Good Stewards.

I hope this clears up the issue for you.

Sort of. You're saying that it isn't a good idea to tell people things like how you give back to your community? I'm sorry but if that's the case then I highly and with all due respect disagree with you. Talking about it and bragging about it are two entirely different things. The only reason I talk about it is because I am hoping to be an inspiration for others to do the same.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Sort of. You're saying that it isn't a good idea to tell people things like how you give back to your community? I'm sorry but if that's the case then I highly and with all due respect disagree with you. Talking about it and bragging about it are two entirely different things. The only reason I talk about it is because I am hoping to be an inspiration for others to do the same.

You are free to argue with YHWH if you choose, He gives you the right to be wrong and my only task is to point out the direction and leave the work to our Elohim.

The long and the short of the matter is I stand only on the Word of YHWH and it is perfectly normal for resistance to YHWH's Message for His Peculiar People when they teach only His Message. My hope here is that you can agree to disagree and remain friends with the Old Nut that, just, believes.

 

[for_his_glory]

Never be a giver because someone has told you you have to, but give charity by the compassion of your heart that you have for others. Never be proud or boastful to others of your giving, but with a humbled heart never let it be known.

Matthew 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Never be a giver because someone has told you you have to, but give charity by the compassion of your heart that you have for others. Never be proud or boastful to others of your giving, but with a humbled heart never let it be known.

Matthew 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

I never told people that they have to give onto others, I just try to set a good example because Christmas has become so commercial in today's day and age. If people don't know that there are still people out there who have the true meaning of Christmas in their hearts, how are they expected to go out and do the same? Although I must admit, I see both sides of this argument. And yes of course th1b.taylor and for_his_glory we are still friends and brothers and sisters in Christ. Nothing is ever going to change that.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

The church my wife and I went to before we recently moved, asked for people to say how much they were going to donate throughout the year.

When I first saw this action, my first thought went to the verses that have already been provided. Keep your donations secret, to not even letting your right hand know what your left hand is doing.

We were at that church for a few years. I still don't feel comfortable saying how much I can or will donate, nor feel comfortable with the annual encouragement to move up to the "next step" in a degree to increase donations from a certian percentage of your paycheck to a slightly higher percentage. However I can see the reasons for this kind of campaign that's done once a year. The reality is that the church has bills and has the pastor's income to consider. Moving beyond that the church helps community projects, so a portion of the money goes to those as well. A second consideration is that that church annually has a meeting after regular service for the finical report.

I'm giving this info because there are reasons to donate and say how much and when you donate. Being an encouragement for others is not the only reason, it can also be for an estimate and to plan accordingly.

That said though, I don't think these reasons are enough to ignore the direction that is given in the bible. And the direction given by Jesus. We should be able to encourage eachother without feeling like we should preasure them, or guilt them into doing what you do or I do. If you can't do that then something is wrong in the approach. It should be looked at for other ways to meet the needs or let those needs go. With regards to the church I went to, their "next step" approach was good on giving people a gradual tool to increase their donations to 10% of their income. But I was still uncomfortable with the thing.

 

[for_his_glory]

I never told people that they have to give onto others, I just try to set a good example because Christmas has become so commercial in today's day and age. If people don't know that there are still people out there who have the true meaning of Christmas in their hearts, how are they expected to go out and do the same? Although I must admit, I see both sides of this argument. And yes of course th1b.taylor and for_his_glory we are still friends and brothers and sisters in Christ. Nothing is ever going to change that.

That wasn't directed at you. These are just my principles on giving any day of the year and what Matthew 6:2 instructs.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

That wasn't directed at you. These are just my principles on giving any day of the year and what Matthew 6:2 instructs.

That's fine. Read the post above you though, Not_Now.Soon had some very interesting points as well. :yes

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

That's fine. Read the post above you though, Not_Now.Soon had some very interesting points as well. :yes

Thanks HeIsRisen. I guess one point I meant to say, (but it might have gotten lost in my ramble, or just not said), is that some times we need to just ignore the reasons even if they are justified in one way or another, and instead obey what Jesus said, and what the bible says. Not that we should not seek solutions, but to trust God enough to follow Him on His instructions.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Thanks HeIsRisen. I guess one point I meant to say, (but it might have gotten lost in my ramble, or just not said), is that some times we need to just ignore the reasons even if they are justified in one way or another, and instead obey what Jesus said, and what the bible says. Not that we should not seek solutions, but to trust God enough to follow Him on His instructions.

It's alright, I understand what you are trying to say and I agree with you. You can still encourage somebody to give without pressuring them into doing so.

 

[for_his_glory]

That's fine. Read the post above you though, Not_Now.Soon had some very interesting points as well. :yes

But I am not talking about giving to the church or at Christmas, but to those who need our help through out the year. If one is going to give to help another than give your best gift to them as no one else has to know you gave anything. It's God that blesses a cheerful giver and I do not need to tell others to gain any kind of recognition as what I do I do unto Christ as in His continued works Matthew 25:31-41.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

But I am not talking about giving to the church or at Christmas, but to those who need our help through out the year. If one is going to give to help another than give your best gift to them as no one else has to know you gave anything. It's God that blesses a cheerful giver and I do not need to tell others to gain any kind of recognition as what I do I do unto Christ as in His continued works Matthew 25:31-41.

Oh okay, now I understand.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Thanks HeIsRisen. I guess one point I meant to say, (but it might have gotten lost in my ramble, or just not said), is that some times we need to just ignore the reasons even if they are justified in one way or another, and instead obey what Jesus said, and what the bible says. Not that we should not seek solutions, but to trust God enough to follow Him on His instructions.

No, not ever. The Word of God, in spite of the errant teaching on the hiding Modern day New Testament Teachers and these, also Heretical, New Covenant Teachers, has never been a book filled with suggestions, YHWH, please touch their hearts and guide them, gently, but firmly back into the truth You've left for us.
Christianity, as taught, through these New Age, Soft Pedaling Liars in the pulpit, such as Joel Ostine, are very busy leading their Flocks through the Gates of the Wide Gate that leads straight onto the Eternal Suffering in the Lake of Fire that dies not.

I might shock you and others here and I have been removed from more than one forum for teaching what the Scriptures teach.

In 1John 1:5 YHWH calls us to be Holy as He is Holy. In 1Pet. 1:16 we find Peter quoting Lev. 19:2 where YHWH commanding Israel to be a Holy (Peculiar) People. If we are foolish enough not to read the Pentateuch and to never explore the Bible Yashuah taught Christianity from we still have the Law of YHWH expressed in the two most important Laws of the 613 found in Matthew 22:37-40 ‘Love the Lord your God:
· with all your heart
· and with all your *soul
· and with all your mind.’
This is the first and most important command. And the second command is like it:
‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’
This is what the Law and the *Prophets really mean.

Here we find YHWH's summation of the Bible Yashuah ha'Mashiah taught from. It is not a thing The Son came to change but rather He came to demonstrate how to live successfully.

No matter what we, rebelliously conjure up, until the Second Advent of Yashuah, after the Rapture of the Saints, the Holy Word of YHWH is The Court of Final Arbitration, it is the Written Word of our Elohim, YHWH!