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Asimov said:So I guess the thousands of Jewish people who were killed in the Crusades are of no consequence? Or the Passion plays which incited anti-semitism, or even the Spanish Inquisition, which killed Jews, and the Holocaust (which I think is decidedly non-christian, but Hitler claimed to be a Roman Catholic). Once again I fail to see any reason to compare your religions atrocities to another ones...
thespunk said:If you listened to the rhetoric of Bush, then some might claim the Iraqi war.DivineNames said:Which recent war has been inspired by the teachings of Christianity?
DivineNames said:Which recent war has been inspired by the teachings of Christianity?
Which Christian countries today are oppressing other religions?
Asimov said:So I guess the thousands of Jewish people who were killed in the Crusades are of no consequence?...Once again I fail to see any reason to compare your religions atrocities to another ones...
Asimov said:Korea, Vietnam, Cold War were against the "godless communists".
DivineNames said:Which Christian countries today are oppressing other religions?
Asimov said:Uh, the US. And not just other religions, but other people.
DivineNames said:If you wish to claim that the United States oppresses other religions, give some examples, and explain how this oppression is linked to Christian teachings.
Asimov said:DivineNames said:If you wish to claim that the United States oppresses other religions, give some examples, and explain how this oppression is linked to Christian teachings.
Gay Marriages, protesting the removal of the Ten Commandments from Government courts, refusal to sell contraceptives, The Red Scare, Vietnam, Korea.
DivineNames said:Gay marriages? homosexuality isn't a religion as far as I know. Contraceptives?
As for the Ten Commandments being displayed on government property, I imagine it could be argued that this involves a bias towards Christianity, or a bias towards the monotheistic religions that accept the Ten Commandments anyway.
The argument on the other side (apparently) is that such display of the Ten Commandments merely, "recognizes and reflects the role that code has played in U.S. moral and legal traditions", and is not state endorsement of particular religion.
Its a relatively minor issue I believe.
So who complains about the display of the Ten Commandments? Oppressed religions? Its not clear that this is the case, it seems to be more an issue of principle (for some people) who see it as an infringement of the separation of state and religion.
The argument on the other side (apparently) is that such display of the Ten Commandments merely, "recognizes and reflects the role that code has played in U.S. moral and legal traditions", and is not state endorsement of particular religion.
Asimov said:But it isn't. Otherwise there would be a nationwide ban of graven images, people would be forced to love God, adultery would be illegal and severely punished, lying would be more severely punished in all situations, coveting would be illegal, it would be illegal to not obey your mother and father, and the sabbath would be forced upon others.
Its a relatively minor issue I believe.
Asimov said:I'm not surprised, I wonder what you would say if they had any other religious icon there.
Asimov said:It's oppression. Religion doesn't belong in government buildings.
DivineNames said:The argument on the other side (apparently) is that such display of the Ten Commandments merely, "recognizes and reflects the role that code has played in U.S. moral and legal traditions", and is not state endorsement of particular religion.
Asimov said:But it isn't. Otherwise there would be a nationwide ban of graven images, people would be forced to love God, adultery would be illegal and severely punished, lying would be more severely punished in all situations, coveting would be illegal, it would be illegal to not obey your mother and father, and the sabbath would be forced upon others.
Biblical Law in America
J.W.Welch
http://www.contra-mundum.org/essays/theonomy/WEL1.pdf
DivineNames said:
Asimov said:Irrelevant, more than half of the ten commandments aren't part of American Law.