I know this will trigger some people, but I will ask the unaskable

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Ok. I still don't know what your point or desired outcome are.
I don't know what the dancing in circles are for, I'm asking can you address the other atrocities just like you did to the Japanese camps. I don't know how I can further clarify. If you wish not to, make your wishes known.
 
I think part of the problem here is that slavery was a long time ago when people were not as "civil" as we are today. (which is questionable of course).
As you said it is indeed questionable, as someone who is experiencing the effects of it as born black, raised in a black home, and neighborhood, and community, and seeing all things of the black culture, only those who've had that first-person experience can understand. No racism here, but I don't believe any other races, especially Anglo-Saxon nor Caucasian can truly understand what was dealt to the black community. Slavery still exists in the world, human trafficking occurs more on people of color, and America has shifted from physical slavery, to mental slavery. I can get into that more in depth but that's aside from the topic.
IOW, we could expect it from those of the 1600's to 1800's,
but we can't seem to accept any such atrocity in the here and now - even though it is STILL happening.
Because the atrocity hasn't left, it's just changed form, I will make a new thread on this in the latter future God willing.🙏
But I don't see anyone getting fired because they don't believe the holocaust happened.
Are a few examples^
We can't forget what happened to Kyrie Irving, Kanye West, Dave Chapelle, and Mel Gibson too, for saying things against the Jews. The Jews today are the most protected race in the world. I've had many personal experiences of racist comments & actions, even modern-day segregation and nothing happened.
You're asking why we don't care about other peoples. Could it be because it's known about world-wide and because it's about genocide?
The Holocaust is known worldwide, but slavery was performed worldwide. And even reports find that newer generations are being uninformed about the event:
There were genocide type killings of many during and after WWII and even in Yugoslavia in the 1990's war, but smaller numbers of persons was involved.
We can't forget Stalin's killing of 20 million people, but oh wait, how can we forget that when most people don't even know about that.... Wonder why...
America isn't too concerned about it because they don't hear much about it and because it didn't cross many countries as did the holocaust.
Exactly my point, why aren't other, arguably far worse atrocities not broadcasting by the world media nearly to the level as the Holocaust? Why is it that only that massacre, (which to my knowledge is the only mass-genocide of Jews), the only mass-genocide ever broadcasted.

You know, Candace Owen's tested something out on twitter (and you can look this up to verify me), and she tweeted a whole bunch of hateful and vulgar slurs about white men, and nothing happened. Then all she did, was take that same post, take out white men, and put in Jews. And Twitter wasted no time in banning her account, only releasing it when she exposed their indifference.

Let me ask you wondering... If I said right here and right now, that the Holocaust didn't exist, and i had proof of it. Would or would you not want to permanently ban and delete my account forever? Would you feel the same inclination if I made the same comment about slavery?
 
I'm asking can you address the other atrocities just like you did to the Japanese camps.
They're atrocities...terrible, awful events in human history.

Your last post gives me the impression that you're just complaining about the Holocaust getting more attention than other atrocities. Is that about right?
 
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Your last post gives me the impression that you're just complaining about the Holocaust getting more attention than other atrocities. Is that about right?
I'm not in the mood to entertain ring-around-the-rosie or merry-go-round. If there is a lack of understanding it wasn't meant to be understood.
 
As you said it is indeed questionable, as someone who is experiencing the effects of it as born black, raised in a black home, and neighborhood, and community, and seeing all things of the black culture, only those who've had that first-person experience can understand. No racism here, but I don't believe any other races, especially Anglo-Saxon nor Caucasian can truly understand what was dealt to the black community. Slavery still exists in the world, human trafficking occurs more on people of color, and America has shifted from physical slavery, to mental slavery. I can get into that more in depth but that's aside from the topic.

Because the atrocity hasn't left, it's just changed form, I will make a new thread on this in the latter future God willing.🙏

Are a few examples^
We can't forget what happened to Kyrie Irving, Kanye West, Dave Chapelle, and Mel Gibson too, for saying things against the Jews. The Jews today are the most protected race in the world. I've had many personal experiences of racist comments & actions, even modern-day segregation and nothing happened.

The Holocaust is known worldwide, but slavery was performed worldwide. And even reports find that newer generations are being uninformed about the event:

We can't forget Stalin's killing of 20 million people, but oh wait, how can we forget that when most people don't even know about that.... Wonder why...

Exactly my point, why aren't other, arguably far worse atrocities not broadcasting by the world media nearly to the level as the Holocaust? Why is it that only that massacre, (which to my knowledge is the only mass-genocide of Jews), the only mass-genocide ever broadcasted.

You know, Candace Owen's tested something out on twitter (and you can look this up to verify me), and she tweeted a whole bunch of hateful and vulgar slurs about white men, and nothing happened. Then all she did, was take that same post, take out white men, and put in Jews. And Twitter wasted no time in banning her account, only releasing it when she exposed their indifference.

Let me ask you wondering... If I said right here and right now, that the Holocaust didn't exist, and i had proof of it. Would or would you not want to permanently ban and delete my account forever? Would you feel the same inclination if I made the same comment about slavery?
I can't say much more....it's midnight here.

I'll say this: It's good to know to whom a person is posting. What you've said about yourself makes me undersand why this is so close to you. I agree that no one understands what anyone else has gone through except those that have had smilar, or the same, experience.

About deleting accounts: Accounts are also deleted because someone said something too much to the right.
If you said the same thing about slavery not existing, it would have the same effect on me as saying that the holocaust did not exist. Both are WRONG. History is history.

Someone could be too much to the left or too much to the right and they let that get the best of their belief system.
Both the left and the right are prejudiced (prejudicial) based on their belief system.

But actual events should be accepted, but not compared so much.
What do you think?

If my tummy hurts a lot, that doesn't take away the hurt in your tummy which is less.
Hurt is hurt.

But I do understand your point about some atrocities getting more attention than others.
Although, slavery has gotten a lot of attention. Don't you agree on this?

Could we decide if slavery was institutional?
Maybe the holocaust was so gruesome because someone actually said:
Let's get rid of all the Jews. And the governing body of the time went about getting this done.

This is the problem: Some people become THINGS, and lose their humanity in the eyes of the other.
Jesus came to bring the Kingdom on earth, but we're still far from it.
 
Maybe the holocaust was so gruesome because someone actually said:
Let's get rid of all the Jews. And the governing body of the time went about getting this done.
Margaret Sanger wanted the same for blacks through abortion.

Even Israel just admitted to giving Ethiopian (black) women contraceptives through "vaccine shots" to prevent them from having children.

That's why you don't always take the jab... my point exactly from a while ago.
 
Same thing Paul went through, he was a Roman citizen was endured 39 floggings, several mob crowd beatings, shipwrecks, and eventually, he was killed at the hands of Nero. A man, a citizen of the empire killed. Same with the immeasurable multitude of people Nero had slaughtered in his masquerade against Christians, crucified, burned, fed to lions, and more. All were born (and thus citizens) in the Roman Empire.

The Japanese Americans who were put in camps against their will, we're citizens of the United States and we're mostly born there or obtained it through the citizenship process. African Americans were slaves for centuries in America, we've been citizens since the early 1800s after our parents arrived here on ships and had children, and were beaten, flogged, burned alive, scourged, raped, gassed, sprayed, bombed, blown up, sent to jail with rats all over the place, starved, hunted, shot, and countless other atrocities for hundreds of years, and we are all citizens of the United States. And who gives a crypt about us?
I knew a Japanese American girl whose parents were interned during WWII. Doesn't come close to what the Jews suffered in Nazi Germany. The Pogroms in Russia were somewhat along the lines of what the Japanese Americans experienced, but still the Pogroms were worse I think.
The Native Americans/Canadians/Australians suffered greatly, but the Comanches murdered/slaughtered everyone regardless of race. They almost hunted Apaches to extinction.
Christians suffered great slaughter/persecution and some still do and many will again.
Blacks have suffered at the hands of whites and at the hands of other black tribes. Most Blacks presently are isolated then murdered as the days of mass persecution are now over. I believe Sandra Bland was murdered/executed.
But other than Christians, I can't think of a race/religion that was systematically rounded up and mass slaughtered.
 
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You can lose your job, and never get hired again, anywhere, if you dare utter a word that goes anything contrary to the European victors story version of the Holocaust. But you can tell an African American to get over slavery 400 years and more than 15 million victims, and not have anything happen to you, but you dare tell a European or white Jew to get over the Holocaust, 6 years and 6 millions victims, and you may lose your life. If it's the atrocity we are concerned about, why are we giving any attention to far worse atrocities that occurred and are still occurring?

Is it because we just don't know? Is it because we just don't care? Is it because it's a particular group of people?

Are we saying "Never again", to just a particular class, or "never again", period? The Holocaust is getting near to be a 100 year old event in the next 20 or so years, Slavery, Prejudice, Racism, Christophobia, hate crimes based on religion, massacre of babies & sacrifice to Molech, and many other are still rampant, and even Christians don't care.
What you seem to forget is that the Jews are still being persecuted while the Blacks are no longer enslaved.
 
I dunno 🤷‍♂️

Genocide happens. The extent to which the masses hear and or are told to care about it seems to have more to do with the status of those being killed. If they don’t matter much then..move on with the next episode of the kardashians.

There’s also blind spots. It’s on trend now to be into BLM etc not on trend to bring up the USA eugenics programs that actually impressed Hitler and others of that era. Many colleges don’t even deal with eugenics in history classes but they encourage the students to get involved in mental health advocacy…

When historically shrinks pushed eugenics hard and the Nazis tested mass killing techniques on psych patients in hospitals.

Crazy world 🌍
 
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The reason that the Holocaust is emblazoned into history minds eyes is because of the 'Industrialization' of mass murder.Poisoning,Gas Vans,Mass Shootings over Pits,NOT FAST ENOUGH,Hurray,On to Zyclon B.The deception of it all was also a factor,your going to go for a train ride for relocation,you will get a shower when you get there.The Holocaust was also documented in pictures and in film,that's another reason for emphasis.My opinion.
 
The reason that the Holocaust is emblazoned into history minds eyes is because of the 'Industrialization' of mass murder.Poisoning,Gas Vans,Mass Shootings over Pits,NOT FAST ENOUGH,Hurray,On to Zyclon B.The deception of it all was also a factor,your going to go for a train ride for relocation,you will get a shower when you get there.The Holocaust was also documented in pictures and in film,that's another reason for emphasis.My opinion.
Also it was institutional.

Although I'm not comparing the two, but we do need to remember that institutionalized racism did exist in the south until recently.

I agree with your reasoning.
 
Because the devil deceives people into thinking hate is race related, instead of God related.
Since mankind has identified the source of evil...racism....sinners can leave hate for God out altogether.
It is God-related, but since God's people, according to Scripture, were of a certain race, then to deny God but hate God's people, racism was created.
 
Probably one of the main reasons why the Holocaust gets more "attention" than things like slavery in the US and medieval events is simply because it's much more recent. There are still Holocaust survivors among us today.

It's hardly surprising how events...good, bad, or otherwise...fade into obscurity as time passes.
 
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Slavery still exists, through mental oppression, remember before the Europeans could take us on ships, they took us on mental ships, one of which painted the only perfect man, the sinless God, Jesus as white (when he clearly wasn't according to Scripture: Revelation 1:14-15, and secular accounts like Josephus).

So when we see the symbol of Perfection, and see the Europeans, we mentally equate the Europeans to being perfect like God, and us as the imperfection (some extreme cases even showcased a black devil). That's how a few colonialists could just waltz off an continent with 15 million constituents of it little to no problem.
 
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A cry for vengeance
Revelation 6:9 kjv
9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11. And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

I hope this is not seen as dodging the issue of wrongs.

A great cry is from the grave to punish the wrong doers.

The punishment will come.


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