I was denied the eucharist...and it hurt

[Jethro Bodine]

A slanderous lie.

You and I know both know that the Catholic church says if a person does not submit to the rituals that the Catholic church says makes a person a child of God then they are not a child of God.

 

[SyrianMariam]

It's important to this topic because the OP was rejected because the Catholic church thinks she's not a child of God. Their doctrine about what makes a person a child of God is wrong. She needs to know this. If she believes that she is forgiven by having faith in God's forgiveness she is a child of God and NO ONE can deny her participation in a Passover observance.

Thank you

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Depends what one means by SAVED.

I spent a lot of time explaining this to the other member. I see that it's a waste of time.

Yes, problems come in when one does not make the distinction between 'saved' as in becoming a saved person, and 'saved' as in being delivered from the wrath of God at the end of the age.

One does not need to perform a ritual or work to become a saved person. That happens entirely on the basis of one's faith in the Promise, just as that was true for Abraham, our example of justification by faith apart from works. But surely you can't be saved at the end of the age if you do not have the works that accompany and are motivated by genuine faith. Works summarized in the command 'love your neighbor as yourself'.

 

[GodsGrace]

It's important to this topic because the OP was rejected because the Catholic church thinks she's not a child of God. Their doctrine about what makes a person a child of God is wrong. She needs to know this. If she believes that she is forgiven by having faith in God's forgiveness she is a child of God and NO ONE can deny her participation in a Passover observance.

The CC did not deny the OP for the reason you state.

I asked her an important question in post 6 to which she did not reply. Apparently, she knows why she was refused but wished to make an issue of it instead.

Your hatred of the CC is unchristianly.
It even goes against Romans 14, which you posted.

I'm not getting into this with you again, I just want to say that you're talking about initial salvation and Mungo is talking about continual salvation.

You should stop spreading lies about the CC.

 

[GodsGrace]

Thank you

Why didn't you answer post no. 6?

 

[SyrianMariam]

The CC did not deny the OP for the reason you state.

I asked her an important question in post 6 to which she did not reply. Apparently, she knows why she was refused but wished to make an issue of it instead.

Your hatred of the CC is unchristianly.
It even goes against Romans 14, which you posted.

I'm not getting into this with you again, I just want to say that you're talking about initial salvation and Mungo is talking about continual salvation.

You should stop spreading lies about the CC.

I was identified as non-Catholic. What difference does it make how I was so identified?

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes, problems come in when one does not make the distinction between 'saved' as in becoming a saved person, and 'saved' as in being delivered from the wrath of God at the end of the age.

One does not need to perform a ritual or work to become a saved person. That happens entirely on the basis of one's faith in the Promise, just as that was true for Abraham, our example of justification by faith apart from works. But surely you can't be saved at the end of the age if you do not have the works that accompany and are motivated by genuine faith. Works summarized in the command to 'love your neighbor as yourself'.

Oh.
You think I'm spending another couple of hours on this?
No way.

 

[GodsGrace]

I was identified as non-Catholic. What difference does it make how I was so identified?

I asked you if the C of E believes the host is the body and blood of Jesus.
You gave no reply.

 

[WIP]

In our church, before communion, the priest invites those that are not eligible to receive communion - a child or
because they are not a Catholic, or Catholics who for some personal reason do not wish to receive communion - to come forward for a blessing. They indicate this by crossing their arms over their chests.

In our Lutheran church we do the same thing for those that choose not to receive, however, we do not deny the Eucharist in Holy Communion to anyone simply because they are not members of the Lutheran church. This is not the case with all Lutheran churches. The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod does restrict reception of the Eucharist strictly to LCMS members. Jesus said to "Do this in remembrance of Me." At the time He made this proclamation there was no such thing as a Catholic church, Missouri Synod or any other denomination and I know of nowhere in Scripture where He added, "but only if you are a member of such and such denomination."

 

[GodsGrace]

In our Lutheran church we do the same thing, however, we do not deny participation in Holy Communion to believers or non Lutherans. This is not the case with all Lutheran churches. The LCMS or Lutheran Church Missouri Synod does not allow non members to participate in Holy Communion. Jesus said to "Do this in remembrance of Me." At the time He made this proclamation there was no such thing as a Catholic church, Missouri Synod or any other denomination and I know of nowhere in Scripture where He added, "but only if you are a member of such and such denomination."

There's a reason why non catholics should not receive communion in a catholic church.

I'm discovering that it's not worth debating since those that bring up this topic just want to argue and do not care to learn anything about the CC.

 

[WIP]

There's a reason why non catholics should not receive communion in a catholic church.

I'm discovering that it's not worth debating since those that bring up this topic just want to argue and do not care to learn anything about the CC.

I know there's a Catholic reason or explanation and likewise the LCMS but whether or not it is in line with what Christ intended is questionable.

 

[GodsGrace]

I know there's a Catholic reason or explanation and likewise the LCMS but whether or not it is in line with what Christ intended is questionable.

Jesus didn't know His church would be splintered into hundreds of denominations.

This is my Body
This is my Blood

Which will be given up for you.
It was given up the next day.

If a person does not believe the above,
They should not go to the altar.

1 Cor 11:27-29

 

[SyrianMariam]

There's a reason why non catholics should not receive communion in a catholic church.

I'm discovering that it's not worth debating since those that bring up this topic just want to argue and do not care to learn anything about the CC.

Yes. We are not loved by Jesus like Catholics are.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Oh.
You think I'm spending another couple of hours on this?
No way.

Two hours is not required.

If people would just understand that there is being saved as in becoming a saved person and being saved as in being delivered from the wrath of God. It's really just that simple. But it is important that one make clear which one they are talking about.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes. We are not loved by Jesus like Catholics are.

No further comment.
You are entitled to believe what you wish to believe.

No matter how wrong you are.
Just make sure God loves you and that you love Him And your neighbor.

As He instructed .

 

[GodsGrace]

Two hours is not required.

If people would just understand that there is being saved as in becoming a saved person and being saved as in being delivered from the wrath of God. It's really just that simple. But it is important that one make clear which one they are talking about.

Don't matter J.
You hate the CC too much.
Hate is murder.
Matthew 5

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I'm not getting into this with you again, I just want to say that you're talking about initial salvation and @Mungo is talking about continual salvation.

Surely you know that what he calls 'faith alone' (actually, it's 'apart from works' so as not to confuse it with James' teaching) is in the context of justification and 'initial salvation' as you call it. So he was not talking about 'continual salvation'. I will unabashedly and unapologetically resist any argument that says a man is 'initially saved' by anything more than faith all by itself. Justification is how one becomes a saved person, and justification is entirely on the basis of having faith in the Promise of God all by itself apart from works, just as that was true for Abraham our example of justification by faith apart fromf works.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Don't matter J.
You hate the CC too much.
Hate is murder.
Matthew 5

I do not hate Catholics. I hate Catholic doctrine.

 

[GodsGrace]

Surely you know that what he calls 'faith alone' (actually, it's 'apart from works' so as not to confuse it with James' teaching) is in the context of justification and 'initial salvation' as you call it. So he was not talking about 'continual salvation'. I will unabashedly and unapologetically resist any argument that says a man is 'initially saved' by anything more than faith all by itself. Justification is how one becomes a saved person, and justification is entirely on the basis of having faith in the Promise of God all by itself apart from works, just as that was true for Abraham our example of justification by faith apart fromf works.

Who cares what you think they teach?
What will change?
A new member came to this sub-forum to start an arguement. I'm not participating.
Plus, we've been thru this already.
Think what you will.
God has taken care of the original church for 2000 years, and will continue to do so.

 

[GodsGrace]

I do not hate Catholics. I hate Catholic doctrine.

Hate has the same nature as murder.
Hate kills something in us.

I don't like calvinism.
I don't hate it as you do Catholicism.