I was shocked!!!

[Classik]

Is that "NO, I don't driink," or "NO, I won't answer the the question directly"?

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[thisnumbersdisconnected]

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Thank you. By the way, the "i" key on your keyboard sticks.

Do you suppose your own personal decision colors your perception of others who do drink?

 

[Paul1965]

Ummm.a little update for you Classik, Jesus did in fact turn water into wine! However what has the supermarket got to do with the OP...I'm confused because you said the preacher was drinking / drunk, now it is your dad who is the preacher, was your Dad drunk or is this a different tangent?

 

[Classik]

Thank you. By the way, the "i" key on your keyboard sticks. Do you suppose your own personal decision colors your perception of others who do drink?

I think Paul puts it better: don't drink if that can make others sin (paraphrased). It is the individuals decision to drink or not. But for a pastor....

 

[Destructus86]

Am I the only one who kept seeing the work OINK in "don't drink" :P

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I think Paul puts it better: don't drink if that can make others sin (paraphrased). It is the individuals decision to drink or not. But for a pastor....

You know, I just realized, you didn't say "I don't driiiiiiiink," you just repeated over and over again "Don't driiiiiink," like you were giving a command. So, you still haven't directly answered the question.

Sometimes it takes me awhile, but eventually I catch on.

 

[Classik]

Ummm.a little update for you Classik, Jesus did in fact turn water into wine! However what has the supermarket got to do with the OP...I'm confused because you said the preacher was drinking / drunk, now it is your dad who is the preacher, was your Dad drunk or is this a different tangent?

I don't think I have ever seen my father drink alcohol. Never! That update? He went to preach somewhere and unfortunately he met some alcohol crew and began sharing the gospel to them. They choroused: Jesus turned water into wine. I purposely gave that update to let us know how people justify the drinking of alcohol. They are wrong.

 

[Classik]

Am I the only one who kept seeing the work OINK in "don't drink" :P

i think you know exactly what I mean. By Dont' drink I mean I DON'T DRINK.

 

[Classik]

You know, I just realized, you didn't say "I don't driiiiiiiink," you just repeated over and over again "Don't driiiiiink," like you were giving a command. So, you still haven't directly answered the question. Sometimes it takes me awhile, but eventually I catch on.

that's accent for you. A quicker way to say I don't drink is 'don't drink'. I mean I don't drink. E.g I have seen him before = have seen him before

 

[Paul1965]

unfortunately he met some alcohol crew and began sharing the gospel to them.

As an evangellist / preacher, I would have thought this was 'fortunate' because he could help them see the error of their ways (abusing alcohol,not simply enjoying it in moderation)
The fact that you have labelled them "some alcohol crew", shows that you are prejudiced and judgemental towards people who drink. I think it may well serve both you and your father better if he were to stay home and preach to you about the sin of Judging others!

 

[Classik]

As an evangellist / preacher, I would have thought this was 'fortunate' because he could help them see the error of their ways (abusing alcohol,not simply enjoying it in moderation)The fact that you have labelled them "some alcohol crew", shows that you are prejudiced and judgemental towards people who drink. I think it may well serve both you and your father better if he were to stay home and preach to you about the sin of Judging others!

I know what I mean when I used crew. How happy are you to know two of the people I knew died mysteriously. One died at home, the other died somewhere in the street. Some people discovered his decaying body. They consumed alot of this until it killed them

 

[Classik]

I have friends who drink a lot. I have tried talking to one of them. He listed. The other didn't listen to the parents and friends. He was taking stiff drinks. This has finally affected his brain. Now he lives a miserable life: steals, wanders about - does crazy things. Why? He didnt listen to people.

 

[Destructus86]

I have friends who drink a lot. I have tried talking to one of them. He listed. The other didn't listen to the parents and friends. He was taking stiff drinks. This has finally affected his brain. Now he lives a miserable life: steals, wanders about - does crazy things. Why? He didnt listen to people.

someone who has a beer or a glass of wine is very different from an alchoholic

 

[Classik]

someone who has a beer or a glass of wine is very different from an alchoholic

Yes....but

 

[Classik]

The other guy I know drinks about 3 bottles per day. He gets drunk but struggles to control himself. He gets drunk everyday. I told him I would talk to him about something. I didnt tell him what. Maybe I should ignore him, huh?

 

[Classik]

...and these are the kind of people I refer to as 'crew'

 

[Destructus86]

The only time drinking alcohol is considered sin is when it becomes glutteny...which obviously applies to anything.

And yes...if they have a problem, then we need to confront them in love. It's just important not to demonize alcohol because someone has an addiction to it.

 

[Paul1965]

I know what I mean when I used crew

I'm glad you do.....,now could you please enlighten me because "crew" in the way you have used it is usually a derogatory remark.

How happy are you to know two of the people I knew died mysteriously. One died at home, the other died somewhere in the street

Mysteriously? so the cause of death was unknown?
No of course I'm never happy that people die, especially alone. but we all die (our bodies anyway) at some point in time.

Some people discovered his decaying body.

I'm at a loss here! Where is a street where a body can remain undiscovered until it starts to decay ? Actual decay and putrification (the smell and actual rotting of a corpse) actually begin immediately upon death. However, the bad odour etc usually takes around 2-3 days.

All of this doesn't change the fact that you have constantly ducked and weaved from the original questions about Your passing judgement on the pastor and members of his group. if you don't like alcohol.which is obvious, so be it, but remember in His Word, there are many verses which allow the 'SENSIBLE use of alcohol. There are many also that berate drunks / drunkards which makes sense naturally. But I'm at a loss to find anywhere in His word where there is a ban on alcohol.

“The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds,” Matt. 11:19


"Give strong drink to him who is perishing, and wine to him whose life is bitter, 7 Let him drink and forget his poverty, and remember his trouble no more." Prov. 31:6-7

"He causes the grass to grow for the cattle, and vegetation for the labor of man, so that he may bring forth food from the earth, 15 And wine which makes man’s heart glad, so that he may make his face glisten with oil, and food which sustains man’s heart," Psalm 104:14-15

"No longer drink water exclusively, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments," 1 Tim. 5:23


Drinking alcohol is not automatically a sin. Instead, it is to be enjoyed in moderation and with consideration of others (so as not to cause them to stumble), and without intoxication lest we injure ourselves and others.

On the other side of the argument, there are these to consider which are all indicators of problem drinkers (myself included) Not all drinkers.
"Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, and whoever is intoxicated by it is not wise," Prov. 20:
"Woe to those who rise early in the morning that they may pursue strong drink," Isaiah 5:11
"Woe to those who are heroes in drinking wine, and valiant men in mixing strong drink," Isaiah 5:22

 

[Classik]

As I type this I vividly remember his face. He was a very funny man. One of the days we saw him preaching Christ. He said God changed him through some preachers. He stopped drinking for a while but promised he would spend all money given to him on food. But after a while he went back to drinking. His condition got worse. He became as thin as a rope. He got sick. One of the days he was found somewhere in the street - along the alley where we played soccer. Everyone who saw him fled. The drunkard is dead, they said. I was so afriad and shocked to go see his body. No one cared...behold the funny man lying lifelessly along the way.... How I wish I hadn't remembered this...

 

[Classik]

The only time drinking alcohol is considered sin is when it becomes glutteny...which obviously applies to anything. And yes...if they have a problem, then we need to confront them in love. It's just important not to demonize alcohol because someone has an addiction to it.

funny thing is most of the drunkards started from those tiny glasses...