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If someone is absolutely perfect, could there be something they don't know?

rzr said:
You people bewilder me! Seems to me that those who have ears do not listen and those that have eyes do not see...... :chin And all of this over a stupid premise! Mr. D should be fish food like Bin Ladin...like the new drink--two shots and a splash......

How is it that " Good Christian" people should be! A splash!

Turns my stomach....

Dont get me Wrong.... Usama was the scurge of the earth... But what makes you any different? We are all Gods children, right?

Mr. D is still searching... If D is an intelligent man, then he will find the path.....But for myself, I could care less. My truth as been spoken--damn my kness are sore!
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If you don't care, then why act like you do?

What makes believers different is by Christ's sacrifice we were justified and made righteous, unlike Osama who was not and who really is the "scurge of the earth".
 
Rockie said:
No, actually we are not all God's children - only those who are believers are His children. Osama a child of God - nope - he is part of the body of the anti-christ.

As far as the rest of your post, not a clue of what you are even talking about. :confused:
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How can you say that we are not all Gods Children...believers or not...He created did He not?????????? Its peoples choice (free will) to decide...am I wrong?
 
Deavonreye said:
Given the assumption that a being is absolutely perfect, could there be something that is unknown to them?
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This is the beginning of a wreched thread... Its ignorant to begin with. Caint beLIEve I joined to play with D thinking he had an ace up his sleave..Peoples, go back and educate yourself on the link I previously posted.... This thread has been played out many times before...........

GOD is above all of your reasoning! Whats not to understand????
 
rzr said:
How can you say that we are not all Gods Children...believers or not...He created did He not?????????? Its peoples choice (free will) to decide...am I wrong?
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Just because He created everyone, does not make everyone His children, unbelievers have not been adopted as His children.
 
Fish food? Really, rzr? At least I know you by your fruits now.

If you can't logically and legitimately address a thread, then by all means, move on to another one, because all you have shown me here is that you believe YOUR beliefs, irregardless of the question, then attack because you know you don't have a good answer as to why omniscience/omnipresence can't make sense in any reality, especially when there are places that show it to not be true at all. Believe me when I say that you have not bested me in any way on this thread and have given me nothing that shows that I should believe you!! What IS ignorant and wretched is wishing people dead when they don't believe your unsubstantiated claims.
 
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D,

First. Your last post (OK second to last, technically) honestly was some speculation. So please, enlighten us as to why it is beyond the reality for a Being who created everything to be everywhere and to know everything...

Second. In regards to the second to last post, you state that humans naturally create perfect beings and then worship them. Have you ever even looked into any of the Greek, Roman, Celtic, Norse, Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Mayan, or Hindu pantheons? The common thread that each of those various deities share isn't perfection, but imperfection. I've taken a few world religion classes at UCONN over the past five years (summer courses are open to state residents for noncredit, enrichment only), the last class I took was a Philosophy 4xx (sorry don't recall the exact course number). One thing I have come away with is how very different the Judaic God is from all the other ones in the entire world. It is only the God of Israel (and subsequently the Christian God, and the one claimed by Islam**) that has ever been glorified as being completely perfect.

Perfection in deities is not the staple, but the exception. If you'd like to break it down with more specific deities, pick some and I'll be more than happy to prove you wrong.

**- It should be said that there are other religions and gods that stem off of the Judaic one and they too claim perfection. These groups are either almost unheard of or no longer existent and this is why I didn't list them, I just listed the three heavy hitters. There is also a case of a Hindu deity who claims perfection but it is very important to note this dude's origins, I mean literal ones. He is actually a construct created to entice Christians converts back into the Hindu religion.
 
Pard said:
D,

First. Your last post (OK second to last, technically) honestly was some speculation. So please, enlighten us as to why it is beyond the reality for a Being who created everything to be everywhere and to know everything...
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It isn't just beyond reality/logic, but there are places within the bible that shows god in a less than omniscient light. I don't care to get into them, they are there to find.
 
And yet you push Rockie to bring support for his own issues with the scientific community. You, sir, are quite the hypocrite!
 
Deleting this post.

Deavonreye
 
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calm down, D. lol

If you are going to state there are "some verses" in the Bible suggesting God isn't who He says He is, then refuse to post them, then how are we supposed to know what you are talking about.

so which verses are you basing YOUR opinion on.
 
does it take insults to win others to christ? i dont think so.i will lock this thread if it cant be civilised.
 
Rockie said:
i didn't insult anyone.
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then take with a grian of salt the party involved knows who they are. deavonrye why not just post the verses. its rather insulting to members here if they see you say that and you dont defend your position. if its against the tos then kindly refrain from this posting on that at all.
 
that applies to both sides, not just you. well then if the other side agrees we can continue.:yes
 
I see.

D,

Because you didn't address my second point, can I assume that you are saying that I am correct in stating that only the God of Israel and the various copy-cat deities are in fact perfect in their description and that it isn't human nature to create perfect manifestations and then worship them? Or are you just scouring Google for some ammo to reload your clip with?:confused:
 
I think I am confusing two different posts here. My bad.

Yes, some of the gods were not considered perfect. I should have stated that human nature needed something bigger than themselves. Christianity is the one that required that their deity be perfect . . . in order to "out do the other gods". This is my opinion.

As for the doctrine that show god as less than onmipresent, the main one is, the doctrine of hell. It is said to be void of god.

Omniscience?

1. Jesus not knowing "the day or time". He can't be omniscient, if that's the case.
2. God stating that "he would kill all the people for building a golden calf", but being talked out of it by Moses. If he was omniscient, knowing that he WOULDN'T kill them all, then stating that he will . . . would be an untruth. He didn't know he would be talked out of it.
3. God needing to "go down to Sodom to see if the reports he had heard were actually true". Omniscience would already know.

Just a few.

Regardless, Pard, refrain from my threads. Your attitude and bashing is uncalled for. Personal attacks show a weak stance.
 
Deavonreye said:
I think I am confusing two different posts here. My bad.

Yes, some of the gods were not considered perfect. I should have stated that human nature needed something bigger than themselves. Christianity is the one that required that their deity be perfect . . . in order to "out do the other gods". This is my opinion.

As for the doctrine that show god as less than onmipresent, the main one is, the doctrine of hell. It is said to be void of god.

Omniscience?

1. Jesus not knowing "the day or time". He can't be omniscient, if that's the case.
2. God stating that "he would kill all the people for building a golden calf", but being talked out of it by Moses. If he was omniscient, knowing that he WOULDN'T kill them all, then stating that he will . . . would be an untruth. He didn't know he would be talked out of it.
3. God needing to "go down to Sodom to see if the reports he had heard were actually true". Omniscience would already know.

Just a few.

Regardless, Pard, refrain from my threads. Your attitude and bashing is uncalled for. Personal attacks show a weak stance.
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talking about missunderstand, God tests men, he wanted abraham to pray and ask God to save men.

so God cant be changed by man? really what is prayer? asking God to do something for.


so if said deavonrye i'm going to ban you and you asked me not to then if i dont why i lying if i know you were going to change behavior, and i did something like this in aghanistian to a local muslim worker. he changed his behavior when i punished him. i sent him home for two weeks and i did tell him to come back but i made him feel like i was going to fire him.


jesus was one earth and had given up his powers , handy addressed that.

God visits the earth in the past to judge , he knows what men do and when he says that its where he asks men to intercede as he wants to see if you care about that village, the test was for abraham in sodoma and gommorah. as God wanted abraham to trust him to save lot and others.
 
...I think I'll pass :thumbsup

Omnipresence, in regards to Hell. Every consider that Hell isn't a place at all? Hell could just as easily be a state of being, a state of being that is void of God. Death, total and complete death? That's pretty void of God since you are pretty much void of everything. (we are talking of spiritual death, not physical death)

Omniscience. I think Handy already covered this bit well enough.

I'm sorry that I don't pull punches and that comes off as rude to you, but I am even more sorry that you grew up having punches pulled... Besides, I'll start listening to your "orders" when you have a green or red name, but since you are not a Christian I don't ever have to fear that.
 
It has nothing to do with "pulling punches" . . . but about common decency. Do I berate YOU? NO, . . . and I won't. There is no reason for attacking someone. I already read on here where someone would like me to basically die, yet no one said anything about that. You claim to have a faith that cares about other people, but I'm never as insulted as when I come onto a christian forum board.

That isn't for everyone, of course. There are some good people on this board, and I appreciate them.

As for my points, someone MAY have addressed them, but to say "it was an object lesson for man" is incongruent with the actual wording of the story. Those I mentioned are as I have stated. Having someone try to rationalize doesn't mean the issue has been resolved.
 
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