If You Commit Suicide, Can You Go To Heaven ?

[Lewis]

If You Commit Suicide, Can You Go To Heaven ? I would say no, because you cannot ask God for for forgiveness if you are dead. The Bible does not specifically speak about suicide, but it is still murder. It is just that you have murdered yourself. And I would also say even if you are saved, I think killing yourself will negate you from going to be with the Lord.

 

[peace4all]

woudlnt that go agaisnt all the rules abotu harming ones self?

 

[Lewis]

woudlnt that go agaisnt all the rules abotu harming ones self?

Like I said the Bible does not speak on suicide specifically, but because it is still murder, it is sin. Now some people seem to think that if you commit suicide that you go to heaven, they are wrong. Last summer a member of my church shot his wife and 2 kids to death, that was some sad stuff I was very mad at him. But anyway Michael, I would think is going to hell for that crime, that he did.

 

[Soma-Sight]

If You Commit Suicide, Can You Go To Heaven ? I would say no, because you cannot ask God for for forgiveness if you are dead. The Bible does not specifically speak about suicide, but it is still murder. It is just that you have murdered yourself. And I would also say even if you are saved, I think killing yourself will negate you from going to be with the Lord.

Of course you can still go to Heaven!

What about people that have experienced so much pain (rape - molestation - abuse) that they cant take it anymore?

Where was the "Saviour" for these poor souls?

 

[Lewis]

If You Commit Suicide, Can You Go To Heaven ? I would say no, because you cannot ask God for for forgiveness if you are dead. The Bible does not specifically speak about suicide, but it is still murder. It is just that you have murdered yourself. And I would also say even if you are saved, I think killing yourself will negate you from going to be with the Lord.

Of course you can still go to Heaven!

What about people that have experienced so much pain (rape - molestation - abuse) that they cant take it anymore?

Where was the "Saviour" for these poor souls?

Soma what would you know about heaven and you don't believe in the Bible anyway.

 

[thessalonian]

A mentally unstable person through no fault of their own, might not know what they are doing. Further one might not die immediately and could potentially repent before death after realizing what they had done. For instance one who jumps from a bridge, would not die immediately. But most certainly suicide is a very grave matter and without repentence for the knowing, makes salvation unlikely. We leave the judgement up to God of course because only he knows what happened in those final seconds of life.

 

[destiny]

I would say this is another issue that only a perfectly just God could weigh out.

He is the only one who could weigh it all out according to His infinite knowledge of the heart and circumstances. We only think that we can, but in reality all we can see is outward appearance.

Man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart. â€â€1 Samuel 16:7

Thank God!

 

[Lewis]

Well if you have time to repent from the heart, you can be forgiven, if you have time, before you die. But if you just pull the trigger and die in an instant, thats another story.

 

[CoreyRazz]

I guess if you kill yourself because you're bored with life or just for kicks then I suppose you won't go to Heaven but if its due to emotional problems and such theres a good chance God would understand.

 

[moniker]

Suicide is a mortal sin and one which must be confessed to and repented in order to enter heaven. Since you die as a result and these actions can never take place you are hellbound. According to Catholic Dogma.

If you aren't a catholic then it becomes a bit more murky. Especially if you don't follow the idea of 'good works.' If that's the case, then I really couldn't say.

 

[Solo]

The only sin that will keep you from seeing and entering the Kingdom of God is the sin of unbelief whereby one is not born again, born of God. Those that are born again, born of God are sealed until the day of redemption by the Holy Spirit, regardless of their sinful flesh.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Soma what would you know about heaven and you don't believe in the Bible anyway.

Which Bible? Your Bible or mine?

But back to the topic at hand.....

No one gets out of this life alive. For someone to cut short there own life ABRUBTLY via suicide is not so different than people committing suicide in these GRADUAL manners....

OVEREATING
SMOKING
DRINKING
PROMISCUOUS SEX
DRIVING FAST AND IRRESPONSIBLY
BEING TYPE A STRESSED OUT PERSONALITY
OVERWORKING
SLOTH

ETC......

Everyone on these boards and in this world is "guilty" of suicide to a certain degree including myself.

Some people just kill themselves a lot faster

 

[Featherbop]

Murder is an illegal killing. So, if suicide is illegal, then it is murder by definition because it is illegal.

The more difficult question is whether or not suicide should be illegal, and thus murder. I tend to see it as being acceptable provided it does not violate rights of anyone. The greatest problems I see with are the repercussions on the living(family of the deceased and those who must deal with the death). No one can just die and be done. There is paperwork, burial, insurance matters, grieving, records, notification to others, and a really lengthy process to a death.

Getting into the moralithy of it though, the Bible, more specifically, the Old Testament, is not something one could argue against suicide with. The OT is filled with numerous instances of genocide, killing/murder, desire to kill/murder, justification/commands to kill/murder(by humans and supposedly God) and the like. It is typically a pro-death book in many instances. It is fine to accept the book as true and being originated of God, it just doesn't work as any argument against murder/suicide.

But for those who believes suiciders don't go to heaven, what about these possibilities:

-A mentally unstable/mad person commits suicide
-A person asks for forgiveness in advance of the act
-A person has a noble reason for suicide(i.e. rescuing someone from being hit by a car, while understanding that he/she will die in the process)

 

[jgredline]

If You Commit Suicide, Can You Go To Heaven ? I would say no, because you cannot ask God for for forgiveness if you are dead. The Bible does not specifically speak about suicide, but it is still murder. It is just that you have murdered yourself. And I would also say even if you are saved, I think killing yourself will negate you from going to be with the Lord.

Lewis
I am in disagreement with you on this one.
To say we would not go to heaven is to say the work on the cross was not suffeciant. When Jesus / GOD died on the cross he took my sin that I have committed and will commit on his back.

This is a touchy subject so I will be back.

 

[jgredline]

Lewis Here is part of another thread on crosswalk

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ORIGINAL: SteveAdor

Here is my take on suicide.

I believe it is cause by unbelief. Suicide is the sin of the hopeless, faithless - the unbelieving. It is the sin that ends all hope for salvation.

With regards to true believers the Lord had promised him that He is not tempted beyond what he is able. The Lord had promised Him that He will uphold Him and that His name is indelibly written is His palm. The Lord had given him the Spirit. He dwells in Him as his Teacher and Comforter. With the Lord in us there is strength and much hope. I do not believe that the true child of God will be given by God the reason to kill himself. Judas is a prime example. He walked with the disciples of the Lord, preached the gospel and served the Lord. But in the end he is exposed by Christ as the devil among them and testified by the bible as someone who died in shame and must not be counted among the Lord's apostles. He did not go to hell because he killed himself he went to hell because of his sins and his suicide was the culmination and the final expression of his unbelief.

As beings who are not as omnipotent as the Lord, we have no recourse but to trust a person who names the name of the Lord in his lips unless there are any indications that he is still an unregenerate man. The true child of God will continue in hope despite of the deepest and most hostile problems. He who believes that the Lord is always by his side also believes that He will never leave him nor forsake him. There is always hope even in the his darkest day. As long a man lives there is hope to be saved and be pardoned of ALL of his sins. I cannot tell if it is the/a unpardonable sin I do not believe that I have the intellect to even deduce that. However I believe that he who took his life just took away his own chance to believe in the Lord and be saved. Hence, he is lost forever.

Steve 2 1/2 years ago I would have agreed with you. I am here to tell you now, your wrong. I have been a Christian since the age of 12. I am now 41 I have been a bible teacher, pastors prayer partner, etc etc. 2 1/2 years ago I had a nervouse breakdown and as a result got some minor brain damage. I fell into such depression I wanted more than anything to die. I thought of taking my life and I prayed that God would take my life. After living like this for 2 years I finally went to see a doctor who prescribed prozac for me. I never wanted to take any sort of drug because I had also heard and preached that if your depressed then your relationship is not good with GOD. i WAS AND AM GLAD TO SAY I WAS WRONG ABOUT THAT ALSO. Since I have been on the antidepressents it has allowed me to be able to study the bible again, pray, join forums like this one, and more importantly be able to enjoy my familly again. Above all my relationship with God is much better than it was. Is it perfect, no, but will keep going forward. If I would have commited scuicide back when I was thinking about it I have no dought that I would be with Jesus right now. When he went to the cross and I accepted him as my Savoiur he also bore the sins I would commit in the future.
Had I killed my self it would have been a really selfish act twords my wife, kids and familly. It would have devestated them. Scuicide is a very selfish act.



quote:

ORIGINAL: SteveAdor

quote:

You had a lot of Scriptures - none of them were concerning suicide.

I had a lot of scriptures and all of them are ignored. There is none that speak very clearly of suicide than the foundation that we have of the Lord. Those who are on the Rock will not crumble in such a way. Since this had gone long enough, I will look at the other posts, reply appropriately but will be unsubscribing. All I get here is "no scripture", "no mention of suicide". Well the doctrine of trinity does not have "trinity" in scriptures but they are shown in scriptures in evidences or examples or principles. Sorry, but I believe that those who are in the vine will bear fruit and not death, those who are founded on the rock will not commit suicide. Unsubscribing...soon.

coming from someone who almost died by her own hand in Nov of 04 that thought would make us all feel better at the moment. I have an awesome testimony (if I may say so myself) about GOD's awesome grace and mercy... however I won't waste it here as you appear to be someone who can only see things in black or white and I was a whole lot of gray at that time....

I pray that GOD never gives you an up close and personal view of what could drive a believer to suicide... but your lack of love and understanding is showing in this area... I do however pray HE does give you wisdom not to ever approach a person in real life who is struggling in this area!
Nora

ORIGINAL: SteveAdor

Nora and JG:

Just because of you, guys, I am writing again. But for just this time maybe. If you have really read my posts, I believe the those who are saved from the brink of suicide are led out of it by God. I have been very supportive of those who have struggled and won. And even if I say that I believe those who die by their hands are never the Lord's in the first place, I do not believe in deriding them. Just presenting what I see in scriptures. Just like when we say the if a sinner is unrepentant he will go to hell or if a sinner seems like a Christian but does not have the power of God in him is truly not a Christian doesn't mean that I was condemning them. Just presenting what I see are the facts of scriptures.

Your testimonies, those are an awesome display of the Lord's mercy, grace, love and preserving power. I am afraid that I am misunderstood because while I celebrate the life of those who survive, I still believe that those had the courage of suceeding in dying are not the Lord's to begin with. As I said, the results of our lives are a commentary of the truthfulness of our faith and foundation. With one more final attempt on a simple equation. Sand=collapse, Rock=no collapse. The Lord's word simple (sometimes maybe hurtful in every circumstances) yet true.

Anyway, as a final word even if you had already attempted it, many times and you had survived, and after that repented and moved towards pleasing the Lord, that only tells me one thing, the Lord had preserved you and that your foundation is still there. The mere fact that you are thanking God for His mercy and grace indicates how God had turned you around and is making you move towards His glory. Because of this also you are acknowledging His power and hand in your perseverance. To that, I give a wholehearted Amen to God.

I urge you to read my posts, and I hope that you will understand them because I am afraid my posts are lost in how much they are misunderstood. And if you continue to misundertand it, I am sorry, my attempt is to present scriptural facts in the most gentle way while not romanticizing sin or justifying apostates. And if my best attempts does not seem gentle, I apologize, it's never my intention to be insensitive.

Grace and blessing to all of you. Hopefully, my final post on this thread. Take care.

Steve
Again. Your totally calvinistic views are causing more damage than good.
Like I said in my first post on this forum.
I used to believe the way you did, but I have repented of that..
I have read your post. I know what your saying. Many people have come here for encouragement and sound
biblical advice. Not the you need to get right with God speaches or you faith is built on sand
bit. They don't need to hear semons on the 4 soils and what type of dirt are you. They need
to hear how they can be helped. There is a lady in my Sunday school class who suffered from
bad depression to the point of wanting to commit Scuicide. Fortunatly you were not there to lend or give advice.
We got her to a doctor and she found out she is bypolar and now that shes on meds can read her bible
and worship again. Notice I said again. By your definition she would have commited scuicide died
and went to hell. You would have said that she was not a Christian to begin with even though she HAS SHOWN
FRUIT FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS. She was and is a Christian. She would have went home to Jesus as
I would have and as Nora would have.
You can't be judging people the way you do. Your a very dangerouse person and Like I said, I had
people sending me PM asking me certain questions about this QUESTIONING your heretical teachings.
I speak from personal expeiriance and you speak from Calvinism.

I suggest you repent and be baptized

This is by no means a nock on calivinism as I am a 3.5 calvinist


For those who want the link to the forum.
Thanks jg
http://forums.christianity.com/m_1388491/mpage_1/tm.htm

 

[jgredline]

The above post is a conversation among three people.

 

[Lewis]

Did not Paul say murderers will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven ? Now if you live to ask for forgiveness, well I guess you are forgiven. And yes suicide is a selfish act, people will even kill themselves to get back at someone, to make the targeted person suffer for the rest of their life. Some people seee no other way out. Now the people who kill themselves by accident, they are not held accountable in the sight of God.

 

[jgredline]

Did not Paul say murderers will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven ? Now if you live to ask for forgiveness, well I guess you are forgiven. And yes suicide is a selfish act, people will even kill themselves to get back at someone, to make the targeted person suffer for the rest of their life. Some people seee no other way out. Now the people who kill themselves by accident, they are not held accountable in the sight of God.

He also said adulters and homosexuals and liars will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.. You are taking what PAul said in romans Chapter 1 out of contex.
Paul was making a point that we are all sinners. There is not one that is riteouse no not one. In Gods eyes a sin is a sin. Murder carries the same consequence as a tiny little lie or a bad thought. DEATH.. But because of what Christ did on the cross we are made riteouse for those who believe.
Now this is not a ticket to sin, but to appreciate the cross.
I suggest you do an indepth study on Romans and I recommend Cranfields and G. Cambell Morgans commentary on Romans.

 

[Lewis]

Hey wait a minute hold the phone. How am I taking what Paul said out of context ? It is to be taken literally. And I know what the rest of the passages said. Picked that out because it is related to the subject at hand.

 

[jgredline]

Hey wait a minute hold the phone. How am I taking what Paul said out of context ? It is to be taken literally. And I know what the rest of the passages said. Picked that out because it is related to the subject at hand.

Ok lets go.
Give me the verse / vesres you are quoting?