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I'm Poped out!

First of all if the Pope did kiss the koran, and that has not been proven to me, then he made a mistake. A sin. God is his judge. Though in Arab countries kissing something isn't of the same significance that it is over here. Kissing a gift in the Arab world indicates that the gift is accepted as a gift. It is not so much reverence like it is to us.


We do believe Popes can sin. This would make him no worse than Paul who said "the good that I would do, I do not, while the EVIL that I would not do I do". Now Gary are you going to rip the books out of the Bible of this wicked sinner. He couldn't possibly have written infallible scripture while sinning now could he Gary. How about Peter. Rip those two little books right out of there because he catered to Judazers who believed circumcision was neccessary for salvation. God doesn't think the way you do Gary. Lucky for us. Put on the mind of Christ dude. Stop picking at the sins of others and start looking at the plank in your own eye.

You don't think Protestants have banned books? No they did not burn people for reading them though they may have excommunicated one or two. Hey did you know King James who has his name on many of your Bibles burned women he suspected of being witches. He had a fear of them. I'd want such a man's name on my bible. Ya right.

Blessings
 
He DID kiss the Koran. :o There is more than ample proof! :o

Why do keep defending this man, who was a first-class ecumaniac and syncretist?
 
Steve said:
And this man was great? If this was great, I'll take strawberry. I mean, he should rest in peace and all that, but oy vay already. Now. they're clamouring to make him a Saint. It would be funny if it were not so tragic.
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Steve,

While I disagree with you a bit on this topic, I nevertheless enjoy reading you. You write in a very poetic way and it is easy on the mind.

I respected JP II a great deal. I disagree with a lot of Catholic teaching, but I tend to move toward embracing our brothers and sisters in the Catholic Church. No, I don't believe in apostolic succession and a bunch else, but I think I'd rather try to find a way to unite with each other than divide.

Scott 8-)
 
Steve,

While I disagree with you a bit on this topic, I nevertheless enjoy reading you. You write in a very poetic way and it is easy on the mind.
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Oh my goodness... the end IS near! lol

Love ya Steve, j/k

And why are we bumping up old, controversial threads? :-?
 
What is so old about a thread that has 11 posts in the last 11 days? How old does a post have to be around here before it's considered old? It looks like "Thessalonian" got it going again on the 11th to offer a link to some articles or something. Perhaps a PM to Thess might get to the bottom of why he bumped an old thread...

Scott 8-)
 
asb4God said:
What is so old about a thread that has 11 posts in the last 11 days? How old does a post have to be around here before it's considered old? It looks like "Thessalonian" got it going again on the 11th to offer a link to some articles or something. Perhaps a PM to Thess might get to the bottom of why he bumped an old thread...

Scott 8-)
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It was a rhetorical question. I know exactly why it was bumped up and when. Lighten up! I'm trying to make light of a volatile SUBJECT.
 
Steve said:
He DID kiss the Koran. :o There is more than ample proof! :o

Why do keep defending this man, who was a first-class ecumaniac and syncretist?
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He kissed a gif he received, as per their cultural of receiving gifts.

If you want to complain about someone and the Qur'an, talk to GWB.
 
stray bullet said:
Steve said:
He DID kiss the Koran. :o There is more than ample proof! :o

Why do keep defending this man, who was a first-class ecumaniac and syncretist?
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He kissed a gif he received, as per their cultural of receiving gifts.

If you want to complain about someone and the Qur'an, talk to GWB.
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What would he do if someone gave him an iguana?
 
Steve said:
What would he do if someone gave him an iguana?
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I have an iguana, a nasty iguana. Where's Bush? I'd like to give it to him as a gift... I want to see him kiss it. 8-)
 
What you guys can't grasp is that our culture is different than theirs. Kissing here means something quite different from what a kiss is to an Arab.
 
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Psalm 106:35 But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.
Psalm 106:36 And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them.

Ezekiel 20:7 Then said I unto them, Cast ye away every man the abominations of his eyes, and defile not yourselves with the idols of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Acts 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

1 John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
 
You blow out candles on a birthday cake Vic?

Celebrate birthdays?
 
Vic said:
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Psalm 106:35 But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.
Psalm 106:36 And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them.

Ezekiel 20:7 Then said I unto them, Cast ye away every man the abominations of his eyes, and defile not yourselves with the idols of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Acts 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

1 John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
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What's an idol Vic? Something you make as a God right? A false God. I know of no saint who is a God. I recognize what God did in and through them. This gives honor and glory to him. How difficult is this to understand?
 
stray bullet said:
You blow out candles on a birthday cake Vic?

Celebrate birthdays?
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Less and less each passing year, my friend.
Thessalonian said:
What's an idol Vic? Something you make as a God right? A false God. I know of no saint who is a God. I recognize what God did in and through them. This gives honor and glory to him. How difficult is this to understand?
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I thought we were talking about cozying up to and kissing things like... the Qur'an. :o
 
He did kiss the silly Koran. Wouldn't have been me. I don't kiss false books of false gods of false religions. I'd have accepted the book(while inwardly puking), graciously thanked the Muzzie who gave it to me, passed it to the Monsignor who would have been attending me, and said as an aside, 'Wel'll get rid of this later, Monny....", then flushed it or thrown it out the limo window.

I don't play around. :wink:
 
OK.... his kissed the Quran. But what he should have done is READ the Quran. At least then his "church" would not have made the mistakes it did.

For hundreds of years the RCC and its popes taught that there was no salvation outside of the Roman Catholic Church. That would have meant that there was no salvation for Muslims.

However, the RCC has changed its mind. We now read in the CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church) and the Lumen Gentium (one of the 16 documents of the Second Vatican Council) - Dogmatic Constitution of the Church ..... paragraph #16

Lumen Gentium said:
"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." (page 140)
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:-? :-?

I wonder if the pope ever read the 150+ Jihad verses in the Quran? Is THAT the same God as the God of Christianity?
http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/jihad/

I have said if before; I will say it again. The RCC does NOT understand Islam. It did not understand it at the time of the crusades; it does not understand it 1,000 years later.

http://www.answering-islam.org/God/index.html

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Gary, you simply don't know Catholic theology in this area. Once again you display your ingnorance. Hopefully it's invincable. The Catholic teaching in these areas you speak HAVE NOT CHANGED. If you look in the Baltimore Catechism, the Council of Trent, the writings of Pius XII and Pius IX Augustine, Justin Martyr, and many others, you will see that the Catholic Church has always on the one hand held that there is no salvation outside the Church and still does. On the other hand they also say that one may not be formally separated from her unless he willfully rejects her. That there are areas where one may be in ignroance and therefore not culpable for his errors. That all men hold some truth and this truth has salvific potential. It does not say that any Muslem is saved, but that they "may be saved" but not because of thier Muslem religion, where it is in error. Only by the things they hold that are true. I.e. moral behavior and true desire to seek God. God's laws are implanted on all men's hearts. (Romans 2:15) such that some who have not met Christ through no fault of their own, may live their lives according to the truth God has put there. The three wise men were led by the spirit to the Christ child. They were not Jew's or Christian. Jesus holds the Good Samaritan up as a model to follow. Do you know who the Samaritans were? They were a mixture of Hebrew and Assryians who saw the Hebrew God as one of many God's. How about Cornelius in Acts 10,11. He was said to be a "righteous and God fearing man BEFORE Peter came to him.". Now I am sure you will deny these things but I tried anyway.

Blessings
 
Muhammad had access to the Gospel. Unlike what you claim, he DID reject the Christian concept of God. It is all throughout the Quran. Like Roman Catholicism, he relied on word-of-mouth/tradition. He therefore thought that Christians worshipped 3 gods; that the Trinity was God the Father, Jesus the Son and Mary!! You can see how he was influenced by what he SAW and was TOLD about Christianity.

The "god" of Islam is not the same as the God of the Bible.

That is the start of the RCC error. That is why I suggest that the pope should actually READ the Quran.

Have you read the Quran?

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Gary said:
Muhammad had access to the Gospel. Unlike what you claim, he DID reject the Christian concept of God. It is all throughout the Quran. Like Roman Catholicism, he relied on word-of-mouth/tradition. He therefore thought that Christians worshipped 3 gods; that the Trinity was God the Father, Jesus the Son and Mary!! You can see how he was influenced by what he SAW and was TOLD about Christianity.

The "god" of Islam is not the same as the God of the Bible.

That is the start of the RCC error. That is why I suggest that the pope should actually READ the Quran.

Have you read the Quran?

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The Church does not claim Mohamed was or wasn't saved. By the way, I am quite sure they have experts on the Moslem religion. They do not say that anyone can be saved by the Quran. Do you think that Jesus should have lashed in to the Good Samaritan for his false view of God? Should Peter have come in to town with Cornelius and said your damned. How about Paul in Athens. He used on of their shrines to explain God to them. He even quoted some of their pagan literature of all things. This shows he read the pagan poets. He incorporated what some of them said in to scripture! Are you horrified at this?

Blessings
 
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