Image of God - or image of Adam?

[tdidymas]

Not really, because the saints will ultimately go to God's millennial kingdom - right here on earth, not up in heaven. Also, "hell" is a confusing snd composite term that has wrapped the grave, Gehenna and the Lake of Fire into one.

Ok, I guess you didn't read my post after all, since you didn't get the point.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Ok, I guess you didn't read my post after all, since you didn't get the point.

Your post came up with a false premise that dead people go to heaven, hell or purgatory, while the it is written in Rev. 20 that saints be resurrected in the millennial kingdom, others stay dead till the white throne judgement

 

[Elijah7777]

Your post came up with a false premise that dead people go to heaven, hell or purgatory, while the it is written in Rev. 20 that saints be resurrected in the millennial kingdom, others stay dead till the white throne judgement

This talks about people that "had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus". We can only guess at what that means. Some say people who are martyred during the Tribulation period.

How do you bring someone back to life after they chop their head off? Too many questions here.

*"I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

This talks about people that "had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus". We can only guess at what that means. Some say people who are martyred during the Tribulation period.

How do you bring someone back to life after they chop their head off? Too many questions here.

*"I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The saints will be resurrected in the same way Jesus was resurrected.

 

[Elijah7777]

The saints will be resurrected in the same way Jesus was resurrected.

We get revived and resituated. I lost track of how many times I died and yet I am still here.

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

We get revived and resituated. I lost track of how many times I died and yet I am still here.

You mean resuscitated?

 

[Elijah7777]

You mean resuscitated?

Yes, although the last time I was in the emergency room, they wanted to euthanize me. Until my son showed up.

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

I really tried to live my life asking: What Would Jesus Do? There are things I just would not do and I wonder why people are willing to do what they do to make dollars to stuff in their pocket. Then I wonder what they do with the money that they should not be doing. Never once did I hear a church that was worried about where the money comes from.

The phrase "What Would Jesus Do?" (WWJD) comes from the classic Christian novel "In His Steps" by Charles Monroe Sheldon, first published in 1896. The book has sold over 50 million copies, making it one of the best-selling Christian books of all time.

Summary of "In His Steps"​

The novel follows Reverend Henry Maxwell, a pastor in the fictional town of Raymond, Kansas, who challenges his congregation to not do anything for a year without first asking, "What Would Jesus Do?". This question transforms the lives of several characters, including a newspaper editor, a singer, and a wealthy heiress, as they struggle to align their actions with Christian principles.

I would revise the question slightly to what Jesus inspired writers to write, "What would God want us to do and not do, according to his Word?" Jesus' life in the Bible does not involve everything he did; it isn't a biography (John 21:25):

Joh 21:25 Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

 

[Elijah7777]

"What would God want us to do and not do, according to his Word?" Jesus' life in the Bible does not involve everything he did

He would preach and teach and heal the sick. Jesus said "Depart from me, you workers of lawlessness" in Matthew 7:23.Jesus said, "Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?" in Luke 6:46. This verse emphasizes the importance of obedience to His teachings rather than just acknowledging Him with words. He warns that true discipleship is demonstrated through actions, not just verbal declarations of faith.

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

Yes, although the last time I was in the emergency room, they wanted to euthanize me. Until my son showed up.

What? You're serious? I thought you were joking.

 

[Elijah7777]

What? You're serious? I thought you were joking.

"Yes, at the time I had V-tach, my heart rate was over 150. But I had an ablation scheduled for the next day." Maybe the doctor did not know how effective that operation was for dealing with the problem. I have lots of stories I could tell but maybe it is a good idea to avoid talking about all of that.

 

[tdidymas]

Your post came up with a false premise that dead people go to heaven, hell or purgatory, while the it is written in Rev. 20 that saints be resurrected in the millennial kingdom, others stay dead till the white throne judgement

You are obviously not paying attention, since your statement here has nothing to do with my point. Ok, I'll reiterate it:
You said:

Carry_Your_Name said:
I suggest you do some study on the historical context of the Galatia letter. It was addressing a particular false teaching from the Judaisers, that Gentiles must be converted to Judaism and circumcised for salvation. Have you ever met such a Judaiser? Is there such legalism issue in any modern church? Most of the congregation, even a lot of preachers are total strangers to these Mosaic laws, it was ancient relic to them. The pressing issue has always been "hyper grace", i.e. licentiousness, which forfeits that liberty by leading you into the slavery of sin. I do not see the dangers of legalism because I don't live in the first century Galatia, and neither do you.

This was a reply to someone else, but I saw that how you applied Gal. lacks wisdom. So I tried to correct your idea that Galatians doesn't apply today, by saying this:

tdidymas said:
The principle of the Judaizers is still in effect in many ways:
1. If you don't partake of the "Eucharist," you'll go to purgatory
2. If you aren't baptized "In the name of Jesus" (only), you won't go to heaven
3. If you don't practice the 7th-day sabbath you won't get into heaven
4. You're not a real Christian unless you're fully immersed
5. If anyone doesn't tithe, they're going to hell
6. No one outside of the (...) Church will make it to heaven
etc. etc. ad infinitum

My point: all these rotten ideas directly relate to the judaizer principle which Paul condemns in Galatians. What false teachers have done today is take the "unless you are circumcised..." idea and repackaged it in other legalistic ways. It's the same principle. Do you get my point?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

My point: all these rotten ideas directly relate to the judaizer principle which Paul condemns in Galatians. What false teachers have done today is take the "unless you are circumcised..." idea and repackaged it in other legalistic ways. It's the same principle. Do you get my point?

Maybe those are real concerns in other churches, but in most American churches, the greatest heresies are political activism with a Chrisitan label and "health and wealth" with a Christian label, and neither is legalism. And they don't typically sell heaven or hell, because neither the clergy nor the congregation are eschatalogically oriented, i.e. setting your mind on the afterlife rather than the cares of this world in this mortal life.

However, if they order you to behave in a certain way, unless you do xyz, you won't be accepted as a member, or if you're already a member you'll be excommunicated, that's a discipline issue, not legalism. As matter of fact, churches that run under strict schedules, rules and traditions last longer, a shared identity and solidarity are built among their congregants, you lose yourself and merge into the group. That's not a salvation issue. The reward and punishment are not heaven and hell, but the sense of belonging to community and lack thereof, it's about a collective mindset.

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

"Yes, at the time I had V-tach, my heart rate was over 150. But I had an ablation scheduled for the next day." Maybe the doctor did not know how effective that operation was for dealing with the problem. I have lots of stories I could tell but maybe it is a good idea to avoid talking about all of that.

Ok, buddy. I'll try to keep you in my prayers.

 

[Elijah7777]

Ok, buddy. I'll try to keep you in my prayers.

Tks, My grandmother use to say: Take all the prayer you can get and ask for more.

 

[tdidymas]

Maybe those are real concerns in other churches, but in most American churches, the greatest heresies are political activism with a Chrisitan label and "health and wealth" with a Christian label, and neither is legalism. And they don't typically sell heaven or hell, because neither the clergy nor the congregation are eschatalogically oriented, i.e. setting your mind on the afterlife rather than the cares of this world in this mortal life.

However, if they order you to behave in a certain way, unless you do xyz, you won't be accepted as a member, or if you're already a member you'll be excommunicated, that's a discipline issue, not legalism. As matter of fact, churches that run under strict schedules, rules and traditions last longer, a shared identity and solidarity are built among their congregants, you lose yourself and merge into the group. That's not a salvation issue. The reward and punishment are not heaven and hell, but the sense of belonging to community and lack thereof, it's about a collective mindset.

I think you have a narrow understanding of the churches, because the vast majority of the churches in the world teach at least one of the points of legalism I listed.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I think you have a narrow understanding of the churches, because the vast majority of the churches in the world teach at least one of the points of legalism I listed.

I've explained that it's about discipline and order, you do what they told you and you'll have a shared experience with other members. The only red flag is when they sell you stuffs in the name of salvation, that's a deal breaker.