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Infant Baptism

Baptism is just a dedication of individuals to Christ and does not impart salvation and thus it is totally superfluous if Infant Baptism is done along with Adult Baptism. 8-)
 
aLoneVoice said:
Sufficent for what?
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In accordance with my "act of obedience"...

If baptism is an act of obedience, and I was an infant when baptized, then clearly since I didn't request it, I haven't received any of the promises that are attributed to it (forgiveness of sins and being clothed in Christ's righteousness).

So I guess I should be re-baptized?
 
Fnerb said:
In accordance with my "act of obedience"...

If baptism is an act of obedience, and I was an infant when baptized, then clearly since I didn't request it, I haven't received any of the promises that are attributed to it (forgiveness of sins and being clothed in Christ's righteousness).

So I guess I should be re-baptized?
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It seems you are coming to understand the importance of Anabaptist position on Baptism.

Being baptized does not promise the forgiveness of sins - that was accomplished on the Cross, not the lake.
 
Fnerb said:
So my infant baptism was not sufficent?
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When did believers get baptized; before or After their belief?

My infant baptism did nothing for coming into the Kingdom of God. I only arrived their after I was born again, after which I obeyed the command to be baptized in water, to signify the baptism of the Holy Spirit that I had received at the point of salvation.

You can believe the Roman Catholic dogma, or you can believe the Word of God; take your choice.
 
ÃÂoppleganger said:
Because medically, the highest antibody count in infants is at 8 days and God knew this. Even today in Africa it is being proved, that circumcision reduces the occurance of AIDS. Because mitochrondria hide and multiply under the first layer of skin.
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Ya beat me to it! :-D
 
Solo said:
When did believers get baptized; before or After their belief?

My infant baptism did nothing for coming into the Kingdom of God. I only arrived their after I was born again, after which I obeyed the command to be baptized in water, to signify the baptism of the Holy Spirit that I had received at the point of salvation.

You can believe the Roman Catholic dogma, or you can believe the Word of God; take your choice.
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You are right that Baptism does nothing to make individuals saved. But if Baptism is just a dedication of individuals to Christ then it is totally superfluous if infants are Baptized as well as adults. 8-)
 
RobertMazar said:
You are right that Baptism does nothing to make individuals saved. But if Baptism is just a dedication of individuals to Christ then it is totally superfluous if infants are Baptized as well as adults. 8-)
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If one does not care to follow the example set by Jesus and the believers in the Scriptures, then it does not matter.
 
RobertMazar said:
You are right that Baptism does nothing to make individuals saved. But if Baptism is just a dedication of individuals to Christ then it is totally superfluous if infants are Baptized as well as adults. 8-)
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Baptism is more than just a 'dedication'. It is an affirmation of the example set before us by Christ. It is a confirmation of the work of Christ within you - as you express your belief in Jesus Christ by submitting to the baptismal waters.

Yes - it does matter!
 
Solo said:
If one does not care to follow the example set by Jesus and the believers in the Scriptures, then it does not matter.
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If Baptism is just a dedication of individuals to Christ and does not impart salvation then what difference does it make if infants are Baptized? When everybody stands before Christ after passing away Baptism will not enter into the equation for gaining entrance into Heaven. The only thing that Christ will require for gaining entrance into Heaven is that everybody had received Him as their Savior. When my late Uncle converted from the RCC to the Baptist Church he chose not to be Baptized again because he believed that his Baptism as an infant in the RCC was a valid Baptism because it was done in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And my late Uncle's Baptist minister did not require that my late Uncle be Baptized again. And I am not going to be Baptized again after receiving Christ as my Savior because I am never under any circumstances going to leave the RCC and join a Fundamentalist Protestant Church because I will still gain entrance into Heaven even if I do not leave the RCC and do not join a Fundamentalist Protestant Church. So that takes care of that nonsense that everybody who receives Christ as their Savior has to be Baptized again. :x
 
RobertMazar said:
If Baptism is just a dedication of individuals to Christ and does not impart salvation then what difference does it make if infants are Baptized? When everybody stands before Christ after passing away Baptism will not enter into the equation for gaining entrance into Heaven. The only thing that Christ will require for gaining entrance into Heaven is that everybody had received Him as their Savior. When my late Uncle converted from the RCC to the Baptist Church he chose not to be Baptized again because he believed that his Baptism as an infant in the RCC was a valid Baptism because it was done in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And my late Uncle's Baptist minister did not require that my late Uncle be Baptized again. And I am not going to be Baptized again after receiving Christ as my Savior because I am never under any circumstances going to leave the RCC and join a Fundamentalist Protestant Church because I will still gain entrance into Heaven even if I do not leave the RCC and do not join a Fundamentalist Protestant Church. So that takes care of that nonsense that everybody who receives Christ as their Savior has to be Baptized again. :x
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Robert, I would encourage you to look into the Anabaptists. It is not 'nonsense' that one should be baptized after one accepts Jesus Christ as their Saviour.

Name me one infant who is able to profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.
 
jgredline said:
Again...The CC's word above the Word of God.... :o
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Why do you keep "beheading" the Head from the Body? Now, you resort to false dichotomies.

The Church IS the Body of Christ... There is no separation between Christ's two natures, nor is there a separation between Christ and the Church.


Regards
 
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Fran. We are the body of Christ. And Christ is the head. Who is the church? Again, any born again believer. Tell me, when did the church come into existence?




May God Golfjack
 
aLoneVoice said:
Baptism is more than just a 'dedication'. It is an affirmation of the example set before us by Christ. It is a confirmation of the work of Christ within you - as you express your belief in Jesus Christ by submitting to the baptismal waters.

Yes - it does matter!
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Baptism is totally superfluous in terms of gaining entrance into Heaven and thus it does not matter when someone is Baptized as Baptism is just a dedication of individuals to Christ. My late Uncle converted from the RCC to the Baptist Church and he saw no reason to be Baptized again as he believed that his Baptism as an infant in the RCC was valid Baptism because it had been done in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And my late Uncle's Baptist minister did not require that my late Uncle be Baptized again in the Baptist Church. 8-)
 
RobertMazar said:
Baptism is totally superfluous in terms of gaining entrance into Heaven and thus it does not matter when someone is Baptized as Baptism is just a dedication of individuals to Christ. My late Uncle converted from the RCC to the Baptist Church and he saw no reason to be Baptized again as he believed that his Baptism as an infant in the RCC was valid Baptism because it had been done in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And my late Uncle's Baptist minister did not require that my late Uncle be Baptized again in the Baptist Church. 8-)
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So, in your understanding - what is the purpose of Baptism? If baptism is not meant to show submission to Christ, if it is not meant to show obedience, if it is not meant to be an expression of one's faith, if it is not meant to be a time or rejoicing with the community of believers - then what is it?

You see - a child cannot express any of those things mentioned in the previous paragraph.
 
francisdesales said:
Why do you keep "beheading" the Head from the Body? Now, you resort to false dichotomies.

The Church IS the Body of Christ... There is no separation between Christ's two natures, nor is there a separation between Christ and the Church.


Regards
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Joe,
If your definition of Church were correct, we would be in agreement; however, your visage of the Church being the Roman Catholic church and its dogma is severly lacking. In fact, the teachings of salvation, sanctification, and glorification are in error; not to mention the idolatry, the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, purgatory, etc. etc. etc.
 
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golfjack said:
Fran. We are the body of Christ. And Christ is the head. Who is the church? Again, any born again believer. Tell me, when did the church come into existence?
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Yes, we are the Body of Christ, although the Catholic Church is the visible fullness of that Body. You are still part of that Body through your baptism as long as you do not reject Christ's Church, His Body. Anyone receiving valid baptism, whether by a Protestant (most of them, anyway) or a Catholic has still entered through the door of the Church.

When did the Church come into existence? Some point to Pentacost, others to the outpouring of the mixture of water and blood (the sacraments of Baptism and the Eucharist) at the Cross. I suppose either answer puts you in the approximate time frame.

Regards
 
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