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Cygnus

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I don't have the time Cygnus.
Your reasoning is very basic and you might want to study up on atonement theories.
ALL means ALL.
Calvinism cannot change the meaning of a word just to suit itself and its theology.

Jesus was not kidnapped.. WE WERE.

The question is BY WHOM?

When you understand the above, we can continue our discussion.
the innocent Jesus paid the price. Do you know who He paid it to?
 
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JLB

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You didn't answer the question. Instead you deflected. Poor tactic.

You asked me “where’s the lie”?

Which means your oblivious to making God out to be a liar.

I showed you and asked again the question which Im still waiting for you to answer.


Again, THE QUESTION —

Why would God lie to Cain, telling him he should rule over sin, if Cain was incapable of doing so?


If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.” Genesis 4:7

  • but you should rule over it.

God intended for Cain to rule over sin.


If you want people to answer your questions, please be honest enough to answer theirs.







JLB
 
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Apparently you don't understand christianity....the innocent Jesus paid the price. Do you know who He paid it to?
Not possible to have this conversation with you.

Here's the problem when you bring up the atonement:
SATAN KIDNAPPED US.
A ransom had to be paid to get us back.
THIS IS THE RANSOM THEORY of ATONEMENT.

Since the entire human race fell,,,,,because of Adam,,,,
we were ALL kidnapped...

and so the ransom was PAID FOR ALL,,,,to free us from the grip of satan.
BUT
we have to want to come OUT OF DARKNESS and into the LIGHT.
John 3:18-21
18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
20“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”
 

Cygnus

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Not possible to have this conversation with you.

Here's the problem when you bring up the atonement:
SATAN KIDNAPPED US.
A ransom had to be paid to get us back.
THIS IS THE RANSOM THEORY of ATONEMENT.

Since the entire human race fell,,,,,because of Adam,,,,
we were ALL kidnapped...

and so the ransom was PAID FOR ALL,,,,to free us from the grip of satan.
BUT
we have to want to come OUT OF DARKNESS and into the LIGHT.
John 3:18-21
18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
20“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”
Even if Satan disappeared today...we would still have a sin nature.
 

Cygnus

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Not possible to have this conversation with you.

Here's the problem when you bring up the atonement:
SATAN KIDNAPPED US.
A ransom had to be paid to get us back.
THIS IS THE RANSOM THEORY of ATONEMENT.

Since the entire human race fell,,,,,because of Adam,,,,
we were ALL kidnapped...

and so the ransom was PAID FOR ALL,,,,to free us from the grip of satan.
BUT
we have to want to come OUT OF DARKNESS and into the LIGHT.
John 3:18-21
18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
20“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”
Who was the ransom paid too? You didn't answer the question.
 
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