Is “Easter” in the original Scriptures?

[reddogs]

Many preconceived ideas and wrong teachings can be brought in and have been, even by well meaning men and become tradition, but not be true. We see this in the idea that the wicked will continue to live eternally in hell, or that man is immortal, etc.. So we have to look at what was brought in from outside of the scriptures, and being picked up although not its true meaning. In the case of this preconception, it actually led to the word being changed from its original meaning, to "Easter". The Greek word that the King James Version translates as “Easter” is actually the word “Pascha” (Hebrew: פסח—Pesach) which means “Passover”. It was during an annual Passover celebration that Jesus was crucified at Jerusalem. Here is the text in question:

Acts 12:4 King James Version

"4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people."

We find it was translated incorrectly because the bible scholars preconceived ideas led them to this. If we look at the text from previous versions we find it was correctly translated...

Acts 12:4 1599 Geneva Bible

"4 [a]And when he had caught him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to be kept, intending after the Passover to bring him forth to the people."

Acts 12:4 Wycliffe Bible

"4 And when he had caught Peter, he sent him into prison; and betook him to four quaternions of knights, to keep him, and would after pask bring him forth to the people [willing after pask to bring him forth to the people]."

And others..

Acts 12:4 Complete Jewish Bible

"4 so when Herod seized him, he threw him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads of four soldiers each, with the intention of bringing him to public trial after Pesach."

Acts 12:4 Young's Literal Translation

"4 whom also having seized, he did put in prison, having delivered [him] to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him, intending after the passover to bring him forth to the people."

So how could this happen, why would such learned men change something from one meaning to another, simple, because of their preconceived ideas. You see, it has taken time, but Greek philosphy and Ghonosticism had been picked up and in Rome the old beliefs and festivals were still followed by the Romans and many Christian and leaders didnt see a problem with it. One of the first disputes arose as the bishop of Rome allowed the celebration of the Pasch or Passover to continue till the following Sunday so Christians could also celebrate Spring Equinox festival as they had done before. Now the danger of allowing the Christians to join in pagan solstice celebrations was overlooked as the new pagan 'converts' joined the church and swelled the numbers under the bishop of Rome. But other Christian leaders saw the danger of worship according to the old pagan festivals and tried to stop it in what came to be known as Paschal/Easter controversies. The first recorded such controversy came to be known as the Quartodeciman controversy.

Eusebius of Caesarea (Church History, V, xxiii) wrote:
"A question of no small importance arose at that time [i.e. the time of Pope Victor I, about A.D. 190]. The dioceses of all Asia, according to an ancient tradition, held that the fourteenth day of the moon [of Nisan], on which day the Jews were commanded to sacrifice the lamb, should always be observed as the feast of the life-giving pasch (epi tes tou soteriou Pascha heortes), contending that the fast ought to end on that day, whatever day of the week it might happen to be. However it was not the custom of the churches in the rest of the world to end it at this point, as they observed the practice, which from Apostolic tradition has prevailed to the present time, of terminating the fast on no other day than on that of the Resurrection of our Saviour." So the bishop of Rome began the practice of fixing the celebration of Passover for Christians on Sunday and it spread through the old areas of the Empire.Polycarp the disciple of John the Apostle who was now the bishop of Smyrna, came and confronted Anicetus, the Bishop of Rome who had allow the changes in the Passover and other changes to bring in converts. According to Irenaeus, around the 150s or 160, Polycarp visited Rome to discuss the differences that existed between the other centers of Christianity in Asia and Rome "with regard to certain things" and especially about the time of the Pasch or Passover which in Rome were now the Easter festivals. Irenaeus says that Polycarp, the bishop of Smyrna, observed the fourteenth day of the moon, whatever day of the week that might be, following therein the tradition which he derived from John the Apostle. Irenaeus said that on certain things the two bishops speedily came to an understanding, while as to the time of the Pasch and the change to Easter, each adhered to his own custom. Polycarp following the eastern practice of celebrating Passover on the 14th of Nisan, the day of the Jewish Passover, regardless of what day of the week it fell while the bishop of Rome let it be observed on Sunday.

So the Bishop of Rome ignored the warning and continued to allow the Passover to be observed on Sunday at the pagan Spring Equinox festival and we can see how the Pasch was change to the festival of Easter. But not only was it just the festival as more pagan converts came in, they were allowed to worship on the pagan Spring Equinox festival day which they were used to, while Christians continued to worship on Sabbath. A careful study of the historical records reveals that gradually, with the passing of the years, the Roman bishop tended to use his new day, Sunday, as a ploy for political supremacy over the other churches. Now the danger of allowing the Christians to join in pagan solstice celebrations was overlooked as the new pagan 'converts' joined the church and swelled the numbers under the bishop of Rome. The festival on Easter controversy continued, with the Eastern churches giving it stiff opposition until the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D., at which time Sunday was declared the official day for Easter observance. Emperor Constantine immediately followed this, the same year, with civil enactments enforcing it among the churches, and it began to take hold as we see to this day.

So now you can see how this led to the Bible Scholars changing Gods truth, to their preconception of what it was, yet it was from another tradition, not of God.

 

[CherubRam]

The King James version is also known as the Masonic Bible, because it was written for secret society. Christianity is divided by secret societies.

Christ did not come into this world to introduce Paganism.

 

[Whatever]

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word Lucifer isn't in the Hebrew or Greek either. The Hebrew word helel” (הֵילֵל), meaning, “shining one was translated Lucifer in the Latin Vulgate meaning “light bearer.” Then John Wycliffe and later the King James Guys simply went with the Latin. Now everybody thinks the Bible calls Satan Lucifer.

 

[CherubRam]

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word Lucifer isn't in the Hebrew or Greek either. The Hebrew word helel” (הֵילֵל), meaning, “shining one was translated Lucifer in the Latin Vulgate meaning “light bearer.” Then John Wycliffe and later the King James Guys simply went with the Latin. Now everybody thinks the Bible calls Satan Lucifer.

Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

Morning Star in this place is Israel who once laid low the nations around it.

 

[Whatever]

Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

Morning Star in this place is Israel who once laid low the nations around it.

Don't think so. Te context is clearly talking about Babylon. He is speaking to the remnant and He tells them:
Isa 14:4 that you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say: "How the oppressor has ceased, The golden city ceased! . . .
Isa 14:6 He who struck the people in wrath with a continual stroke, He who ruled the nations in anger, Is persecuted and no one hinders. . . .
Isa 14:13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Many preconceived ideas and wrong teachings can be brought in and have been, even by well meaning men and become tradition, but not be true. We see this in the idea that the wicked will continue to live eternally in hell, or that man is immortal, etc.. So we have to look at what was brought in from outside of the scriptures, and being picked up although not its true meaning. In the case of this preconception, it actually led to the word being changed from its original meaning, to "Easter". The Greek word that the King James Version translates as “Easter” is actually the word “Pascha” (Hebrew: פסח—Pesach) which means “Passover”. It was during an annual Passover celebration that Jesus was crucified at Jerusalem. Here is the text in question:

Acts 12:4 King James Version

"4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people."

We find it was translated incorrectly because the bible scholars preconceived ideas led them to this. If we look at the text from previous versions we find it was correctly translated...

Acts 12:4 1599 Geneva Bible

"4 [a]And when he had caught him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to be kept, intending after the Passover to bring him forth to the people."

Acts 12:4 Wycliffe Bible

"4 And when he had caught Peter, he sent him into prison; and betook him to four quaternions of knights, to keep him, and would after pask bring him forth to the people [willing after pask to bring him forth to the people]."

And others..

Acts 12:4 Complete Jewish Bible

"4 so when Herod seized him, he threw him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads of four soldiers each, with the intention of bringing him to public trial after Pesach."

Acts 12:4 Young's Literal Translation

"4 whom also having seized, he did put in prison, having delivered [him] to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him, intending after the passover to bring him forth to the people."

So how could this happen, why would such learned men change something from one meaning to another, simple, because of their preconceived ideas. You see, it has taken time, but Greek philosphy and Ghonosticism had been picked up and in Rome the old beliefs and festivals were still followed by the Romans and many Christian and leaders didnt see a problem with it. One of the first disputes arose as the bishop of Rome allowed the celebration of the Pasch or Passover to continue till the following Sunday so Christians could also celebrate Spring Equinox festival as they had done before. Now the danger of allowing the Christians to join in pagan solstice celebrations was overlooked as the new pagan 'converts' joined the church and swelled the numbers under the bishop of Rome. But other Christian leaders saw the danger of worship according to the old pagan festivals and tried to stop it in what came to be known as Paschal/Easter controversies. The first recorded such controversy came to be known as the Quartodeciman controversy.

Eusebius of Caesarea (Church History, V, xxiii) wrote:
"A question of no small importance arose at that time [i.e. the time of Pope Victor I, about A.D. 190]. The dioceses of all Asia, according to an ancient tradition, held that the fourteenth day of the moon [of Nisan], on which day the Jews were commanded to sacrifice the lamb, should always be observed as the feast of the life-giving pasch (epi tes tou soteriou Pascha heortes), contending that the fast ought to end on that day, whatever day of the week it might happen to be. However it was not the custom of the churches in the rest of the world to end it at this point, as they observed the practice, which from Apostolic tradition has prevailed to the present time, of terminating the fast on no other day than on that of the Resurrection of our Saviour." So the bishop of Rome began the practice of fixing the celebration of Passover for Christians on Sunday and it spread through the old areas of the Empire.Polycarp the disciple of John the Apostle who was now the bishop of Smyrna, came and confronted Anicetus, the Bishop of Rome who had allow the changes in the Passover and other changes to bring in converts. According to Irenaeus, around the 150s or 160, Polycarp visited Rome to discuss the differences that existed between the other centers of Christianity in Asia and Rome "with regard to certain things" and especially about the time of the Pasch or Passover which in Rome were now the Easter festivals. Irenaeus says that Polycarp, the bishop of Smyrna, observed the fourteenth day of the moon, whatever day of the week that might be, following therein the tradition which he derived from John the Apostle. Irenaeus said that on certain things the two bishops speedily came to an understanding, while as to the time of the Pasch and the change to Easter, each adhered to his own custom. Polycarp following the eastern practice of celebrating Passover on the 14th of Nisan, the day of the Jewish Passover, regardless of what day of the week it fell while the bishop of Rome let it be observed on Sunday.

So the Bishop of Rome ignored the warning and continued to allow the Passover to be observed on Sunday at the pagan Spring Equinox festival and we can see how the Pasch was change to the festival of Easter. But not only was it just the festival as more pagan converts came in, they were allowed to worship on the pagan Spring Equinox festival day which they were used to, while Christians continued to worship on Sabbath. A careful study of the historical records reveals that gradually, with the passing of the years, the Roman bishop tended to use his new day, Sunday, as a ploy for political supremacy over the other churches. Now the danger of allowing the Christians to join in pagan solstice celebrations was overlooked as the new pagan 'converts' joined the church and swelled the numbers under the bishop of Rome. The festival on Easter controversy continued, with the Eastern churches giving it stiff opposition until the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D., at which time Sunday was declared the official day for Easter observance. Emperor Constantine immediately followed this, the same year, with civil enactments enforcing it among the churches, and it began to take hold as we see to this day.

So now you can see how this led to the Bible Scholars changing Gods truth, to their preconception of what it was, yet it was from another tradition, not of God.

Easter is the pagan version of First Fruit, it's lumped into the holiday season of Passover. It has eight days in total - Passover and the entire following week, known as the feast of the Unleavened Bread; the first sunday within this week is the feast of First Fruit. Jesus was crucified on Passover and raised on First Fruit. Easter in general is a spring season festival, symbolizing new life and fertility, this name "Easter" possibly originated from Ishtar, the fertility goddess, known as Astaroth in the bible whom the apostate Israel worshiped.

 

[reddogs]

Easter is the pagan version of First Fruit, it's lumped into the holiday season of Passover. It has eight days in total - Passover and the entire following week, known as the feast of the Unleavened Bread; the first sunday within this week is the feast of First Fruit. Jesus was crucified on Passover and raised on First Fruit. Easter in general is a spring season festival, symbolizing new life and fertility, this name "Easter" possibly originated from Ishtar, the fertility goddess, known as Astaroth in the bible whom the apostate Israel worshiped.

Very true, it was never about anything about Christ, but about continuing a pagan festival so they could get more people in so they would be more influential than the other churchs, bishops and Patriarchate. It was given a Christian veneer so pagans could join and continue as they had during the Empire. The pagan festival or Spring Equinox festival was characterized by the rejoining of the Mother Goddess and her lover-consort-son, who spent the winter months in death.

Easter is nothing else but Ashtarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the Queen of Heaven. The Easter "buns" were used in the worship of the queen of heaven, the goddess of Easter. As early as the days of Cecrops, the founder of Athens, fifteen hundred years before the Christian era. The prophet Jeremiah takes notice of this offering when he says,

"The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough to make cakes to the Queen of heaven." Jeremiah 7:18.

The hot cross buns were given as offering on the festival of Astarte. The origin of the Easter egg, was from ancient times were they were used in religious rituals throughout Egypt and Greece. Eggs were hung for mystic purposes in temples. These sacred eggs can be traced to the banks of the Euphrates and Babylon paganism. Pagan priests were celibate, tonsured, and received the power of sacrificing for the living and the dead. The goddess in ancient religions was worshipped as the life giver and nurturer and as such, this religion was imbued with sexual undertones. Phallic symbols, as well as symbols of femininity and divine intercourse, were common in ancient temples. Other symbols of pagan worship include the solar wheel dating back to the Chaldeans of Babylon, halos, various pagan crosses, lightning bolts, hand-signals from sun worship cults, tridents, astrological signs, globes as symbols of rulership of the universe, sacred hearts as used in many sun cults, sacred animals, sacred trees, and prayer beads for repetitive prayers even though the Bible admonishes:

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Matthew 6:7

The Babylonian system of worship has essentially been maintained all the way to pagan Rome, and even is hidden as mysterys or ceremonies or otherwise to modern day and can be seen in some form or another.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Very true, it was never about anything about Christ, but about continuing a pagan festival so they could get more people in so they would be more influential than the other churchs, bishops and Patriarchate. It was given a Christian veneer so pagans could join and continue as they had during the Empire. The pagan festival or Spring Equinox festival was characterized by the rejoining of the Mother Goddess and her lover-consort-son, who spent the winter months in death.

Easter is nothing else but Ashtarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the Queen of Heaven. The Easter "buns" were used in the worship of the queen of heaven, the goddess of Easter. As early as the days of Cecrops, the founder of Athens, fifteen hundred years before the Christian era. The prophet Jeremiah takes notice of this offering when he says,

"The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough to make cakes to the Queen of heaven." Jeremiah 7:18.

The hot cross buns were given as offering on the festival of Astarte. The origin of the Easter egg, was from ancient times were they were used in religious rituals throughout Egypt and Greece. Eggs were hung for mystic purposes in temples. These sacred eggs can be traced to the banks of the Euphrates and Babylon paganism. Pagan priests were celibate, tonsured, and received the power of sacrificing for the living and the dead. The goddess in ancient religions was worshipped as the life giver and nurturer and as such, this religion was imbued with sexual undertones. Phallic symbols, as well as symbols of femininity and divine intercourse, were common in ancient temples. Other symbols of pagan worship include the solar wheel dating back to the Chaldeans of Babylon, halos, various pagan crosses, lightning bolts, hand-signals from sun worship cults, tridents, astrological signs, globes as symbols of rulership of the universe, sacred hearts as used in many sun cults, sacred animals, sacred trees, and prayer beads for repetitive prayers even though the Bible admonishes:

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Matthew 6:7

The Babylonian system of worship has essentially been maintained all the way to pagan Rome, and even is hidden as mysterys or ceremonies or otherwise to modern day and can be seen in some form or another.

There's an interesting theory which I believe, it suggests that the seven churches in Rev. 2-3 represent not only seven kinds of churches, but also seven zeitgeits - German for "spirit of the age" - throughout the church age in this particular order from Ephasus to Laodicea. Pergamas, the third church in particular, is the Roman church. In this historical period of the late Roman Empire, Christianity became the official state religion, but in essence it was pagan religions with a Christian veneer, as you said, Pagans got to keep their traditions and practices so it would appear to be Pagan friendly. These days it's called "inclusivity" and "diversity", you've got a lot of pagan practices and political agendas slipped into the church, packaged as Christian and preached from the pulpit, there's nothing new under the sun. The name Pergamas means "getting married", and that is the marriage of church and state.

 

[CherubRam]

Don't think so. Te context is clearly talking about Babylon. He is speaking to the remnant and He tells them:
Isa 14:4 that you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say: "How the oppressor has ceased, The golden city ceased! . . .
Isa 14:6 He who struck the people in wrath with a continual stroke, He who ruled the nations in anger, Is persecuted and no one hinders. . . .
Isa 14:13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;

Thank you for bringing that to my attention. You are correct, the parable is about the parabolic Babylon (Rome / Papacy)

1 Peter 5:13
She who is in Babylon, (Rome) chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.

 

[for_his_glory]

This is from Eden Communications

It's easy to blow off what you do not know or understand and just say it's only a word and not what the whole celebration is all about for Christians as we do not celebrate a sun-god, or do we and not even know we are!!!

It was during an annual Passover celebration that Jesus was killed at Jerusalem. Passover was an annual Jewish religious celebration instituted by God (Leviticus 23:5). It dates from the time of Moses when God delivered the Israelite from bondage and spared their first-born when all first-born in Egypt died (Exodus 12:11f; Numbers 9:2f; Deuteronomy 16:1f; 2 Kings 23:21f). They would put the blood of an unblemished lamb over their door frames, which were anointed of God for the protection of their first-born.

The name “Easter” has its roots in ancient polytheistic religions (paganism). On this, all scholars agree. This name is never used in the original Scriptures, nor is it ever associated biblically with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. For these reasons, we prefer to use the term “Resurrection Sunday” rather than “Easter” when referring to the annual Christian remembrance of Christ's resurrection.

After the Flood, Noah had a talented, but evil, great-grandson named Nimrod (Genesis 10:6-10) who rebelled greatly against God. The Bible says that he was “a mighty one” [1] Jewish tradition indicates that Nimrod was a tyrant "who made all of the people rebellious against God."[2] It is evident from history that Nimrod was not only a political leader, but also the lead priest of a form of occultic worship. [3]
King Nimrod, Queen Semiramis (Easter), and Tammuz (the “reincarnated” Nimrod)

Nimrod built and organized major cities. The Bible notes that these included Babel, Asshur, Nineveh and Calah (Genesis 10:10-12). If you know anything about ancient history, the mention of these places may send shivers up your spine. For these were cities of great, almost unimaginable practices and perversion.

When Nimrod eventually died, the Babylonian mystery religion in which he figured prominently continued on. His wife Queen Semiramis saw to that. Once he was dead, she deified him as the Sun-god. In various cultures he later became known as Baal, the Great Life Giver, the god of fire, Balaam, Bel, Molech, etc.

“Later, when this adulterous and idolatrous woman gave birth to an illegitimate son, she claimed that this son, Tammuz by name, was Nimrod reborn.”[4] Semiramis “claimed that her son was supernaturally conceived [no human father] and that he was the promised seed, the 'savior'” - promised by God in Genesis 3:15. “However, not only was the child worshipped, but the woman, the MOTHER, was also worshipped as much (or more) than the son!”[5] Nimrod deified as the god of the sun and father of creation. Semiramis became the goddess of the moon, fertility, etc, etc.

"In the old fables of the Mystery cults, their 'savior' Tammuz, was worshipped with various rites at the spring season. According to the legends, after he was slain [killed by a wild boar], he went into the underworld. But through the weeping of his mother… he mystically revived in the springing forth of the vegetation - in Spring! Each year a spring festival dramatically represented this supposed 'resurrection' from the underworld.[6]

Babel was the origin of an idolatrous system that swept the world. The Bible says of her, “Babylon… the nations drank her wine; Therefore the nations are deranged” (Jeremiah 51:7). The Bible often speaks of the satanic religions which came from her. The ancient Greek historian Herodotus "witnessed the Mystery religion and its rites in numerous countries and mentions how Babylon was the primeval source from which ALL systems of idolatry flowed.[7] Austen Layard said “that we have the united testimony of sacred and profane history that idolatry originated in the area of Babylonia - the most ancient of religious systems.”[8]

Basically, almost every vile, profane and idolatrous practice you can think of originated at Babel with Queen Semiramis, the Mother Goddess and Nimrod. As the people scattered from Babel with their different languages, they, of course, used different names for Nimrod (Tammuz) and Semiramis. Some called the Mother Goddess “ISHTAR” (originally pronounced “Easter”). [9] In other lands, she was called Eostre, Astarte, Ostera, and Eastre. Other names for Semiramis, the Mother Goddess include: Wife of Baal, Ashtaroth or Ashtoreth, and Queen of Heaven. [10] The Mother goddess was frequently worshipped as the goddess of fertility - and as a sort of Mother Nature and goddess of Spring and sexual love and birth. She was also worshipped as a mediator between god and man. Sexual orgies and temple prostitutes were often used in her worship and in attempting to gain her favor.

 

[reddogs]

There's an interesting theory which I believe, it suggests that the seven churches in Rev. 2-3 represent not only seven kinds of churches, but also seven zeitgeits - German for "spirit of the age" - throughout the church age in this particular order from Ephasus to Laodicea. Pergamas, the third church in particular, is the Roman church. In this historical period of the late Roman Empire, Christianity became the official state religion, but in essence it was pagan religions with a Christian veneer, as you said, Pagans got to keep their traditions and practices so it would appear to be Pagan friendly. These days it's called "inclusivity" and "diversity", you've got a lot of pagan practices and political agendas slipped into the church, packaged as Christian and preached from the pulpit, there's nothing new under the sun. The name Pergamas means "getting married", and that is the marriage of church and state.

Just check it out before you fly off on a tangent...

 

[tim-from-pa]

To all participating so far. I enjoy talks like this and I agree 110% with the OP. Regarding days such as Christmas,Easter, etc, it's what I call "Gentilization of the calendar". In the OT, the Lord had the time, place, the appropriate people and the "hows" of offerings and sacrifices. The thing that has changed is the manner of those i.e. Jesus Christ is the sacrificial lamb instead of an actual lamb. We are the Temple instead of going to a specific place, but the times have not changed as Jesus said "Do this in remembrance of me" by which he showed the way to now keep Passover. So there's STILL times, places, persons and manners but modified in a NT way.

The likes of Christmas and Easter and Lent etc etc (time-wise) have no Biblical counterpart, but those ways had Christ's name stamped on it to make it appeal to the pagans as already pointed out. This is why I study the feasts of the Lord. They are set times to appear before the Lord, whether in the OT to offer a literal lamb, or NT partaking of what is commonly called the "last supper", foot washings etc as these days portray God's plan for the redemption of mankind.

But tradition dies hard, doesn't it? When the rest of the family goes the way of these holidays, I say to myself, I'm not worshiping the Lord on this holiday. It's just secular like the 4th of July. But that's what we Sir Isaac Newton types are obsessed with time so that's where I devote more attention. Maybe I'd be like some in the forum as a whole who claim "I'm following the Law" but in fact, I'm uncomfortable replacing the Lord's feasts with something else. And I am finding more and more Christians who are really digging deeper understanding the call to "Come out of her, my people." The rest can rationalize all day and warn us how we are "trying to keep the Law" but they are not coming out of Babylon. They think things are peaches and cream just whistling a tune all day.

 

[CherubRam]

To all participating so far. I enjoy talks like this and I agree 110% with the OP. Regarding days such as Christmas,Easter, etc, it's what I call "Gentilization of the calendar". In the OT, the Lord had the time, place, the appropriate people and the "hows" of offerings and sacrifices. The thing that has changed is the manner of those i.e. Jesus Christ is the sacrificial lamb instead of an actual lamb. We are the Temple instead of going to a specific place, but the times have not changed as Jesus said "Do this in remembrance of me" by which he showed the way to now keep Passover. So there's STILL times, places, persons and manners but modified in a NT way.

The likes of Christmas and Easter and Lent etc etc (time-wise) have no Biblical counterpart, but those ways had Christ's name stamped on it to make it appeal to the pagans as already pointed out. This is why I study the feasts of the Lord. They are set times to appear before the Lord, whether in the OT to offer a literal lamb, or NT partaking of what is commonly called the "last supper", foot washings etc as these days portray God's plan for the redemption of mankind.

But tradition dies hard, doesn't it? When the rest of the family goes the way of these holidays, I say to myself, I'm not worshiping the Lord on this holiday. It's just secular like the 4th of July. But that's what we Sir Isaac Newton types are obsessed with time so that's where I devote more attention. Maybe I'd be like some in the forum as a whole who claim "I'm following the Law" but in fact, I'm uncomfortable replacing the Lord's feasts with something else. And I am finding more and more Christians who are really digging deeper understanding the call to "Come out of her, my people." The rest can rationalize all day and warn us how we are "trying to keep the Law" but they are not coming out of Babylon. They think things are peaches and cream just whistling a tune all day.

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[Carry_Your_Name]

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The real calendar used in the bible is a 360-day calendar, every month has exactly 30 days, hence the five months of Noah's Flood and the 1260 day tribulation. Every 6th year and 40th year, an additional leap month is added, hence Daniel's 1290 days. This is the civil and prophetic calendar, every new year starts in autumn.

There's also a liturgical calendar based on lunar cycles, each month starts at the sighting of new moon, and the length of each month varies from 28 days to 30 days, and every 2 to 3 years an additional leap month is added; a regular year has 354 days, a leap year has 384 days. Every new year starts in spring, roughly six month apart from the civil new year.

 

[CherubRam]

The real calendar used in the bible is a 360-day calendar, every month has exactly 30 days, hence the five months of Noah's Flood and the 1260 day tribulation. Every 6th year and 40th year, an additional leap month is added, hence Daniel's 1290 days. This is the civil and prophetic calendar, every new year starts in autumn.

There's also a liturgical calendar based on lunar cycles, each month starts at the sighting of new moon, and the length of each month varies from 28 days to 30 days, and every 2 to 3 years an additional leap month is added; a regular year has 354 days, a leap year has 384 days. Every new year starts in spring, roughly six month apart from the civil new year.

There is the biblical 364 day year calendar, and there is the Babylonian Lunar calendar, which one do you think Christ and the Disciples used?

 

[tim-from-pa]

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Yes, thank you. I also use this one for the calculated calendar. https://web.uwm.edu/jewish-calendar/

 

[tim-from-pa]

The real calendar used in the bible is a 360-day calendar, every month has exactly 30 days, hence the five months of Noah's Flood and the 1260 day tribulation. Every 6th year and 40th year, an additional leap month is added, hence Daniel's 1290 days. This is the civil and prophetic calendar, every new year starts in autumn.

There's also a liturgical calendar based on lunar cycles, each month starts at the sighting of new moon, and the length of each month varies from 28 days to 30 days, and every 2 to 3 years an additional leap month is added; a regular year has 354 days, a leap year has 384 days. Every new year starts in spring, roughly six month apart from the civil new year.

I find those interesting as well, but the problem is that I don't think we have any examples how they intercalated but we have only mentions of the length of days in the Bible or their usage in books such as Enoch. Despite the possibility of having 30 day months or perfect 360 day years, what people don't realize is that in the orbits there would still be variations even if only a "mathematical variantion". For example, since I calculate and make sundials, I understand that even if the earth's orbit was perfectly circular, that the day would still vary plus or minus several minutes just due to the tilt of the earth given I believe the earth still had seasons. What some people don't understand is a molad is not a conjunction. Noon on a clock is not necessarily solar noon. However, over time it would average out and even with the oddball orbital times today the calendars we have today are decent.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

There is the biblical 364 day year calendar, and there is the Babylonian Lunar calendar, which one do you think Christ and the Disciples used?

This is why no one knows the day or the hour. The disciples knew that the Lord will return on the day of atonement, the signs of his return will appear on the feast of trumpets, but these can’t be marked on a calendar because we don’t know which calendar is used.

 

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This post started by a person asking whether one word "easter" was in the original Scriptures. It has not devolved into ancient calendars and stuff.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I find those interesting as well, but the problem is that I don't think we have any examples how they intercalated but we have only mentions of the length of days in the Bible or their usage in books such as Enoch. Despite the possibility of having 30 day months or perfect 360 day years, what people don't realize is that in the orbits there would still be variations even if only a "mathematical variantion". For example, since I calculate and make sundials, I understand that even if the earth's orbit was perfectly circular, that the day would still vary plus or minus several minutes just due to the tilt of the earth given I believe the earth still had seasons. What some people don't understand is a molad is not a conjunction. Noon on a clock is not necessarily solar noon. However, over time it would average out and even with the oddball orbital times today the calendars we have today are decent.

Speaking of sundials, in Is. 38 God wound the sundial backwards by 10 degrees, and there’s a big secret hidden in there. Some simple math would reveal how the length of year was changed from 360 days to 365 days:

Jesus said each day has 12 hours (daytime); on a 360 degrees sundial, each hour would be 30 degrees, and 10 degrees would be 20 minutes;

An (original) year has 360 days; multiply by 20 is 7200 minutes;

An hour has 60 minutes, divide 7200 by 60 you get 120;

A calendar day has 24 hours, divide 120 by 24 - voila, you get 5 extra days!

And there you go, 365 days on a solar calendar.