Is Christmas celebration scriptural?

[Ph8th]

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The true story of st nicolous. So he is related to a fat man in a red suit with a big beard white as snow who lived at the north pole and mode of transportation was flying reindeers and gives free gifts. Cool based on a true story

The only nicolous mention that I know of were the followers of they were referred to as nicolations in these scriptures
Revelation 2:6 kjv
Revelation 2:15 kjv

 

[antipasta]

Sometimes even Reformed Protestants make sense. :tongue

Here is a short piece by R.C. Sproul explaining why it's all good.

http://www.ligonier.org/blog/dont-be-scrooge-christmas/

 

[Corn Pop]

So if santa was like st nicolous and gave away all his weath, and he had realistic transport as a poor man not reindeers, and he gave away free gifts, and he travels at night, what would santa be like.


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[Jethro Bodine]

No it is not scriptural. I am not bashing anyone or anything. I believe God tells us how and how not He is to be worshiped and don't know of scripture that supports it. I do think that the out pouring to give to others this time of year is wonderful and glorifies God. I question why it takes a time of the year to give. I think it is bad for people to lie to their children about the fat man in the red suit who will answer their prayers if they ask him. I think it is wrong to say it is about Jesus when 99% of what we see and hear is anything but.
Again I think it is a great opportunity for families to come together in praise and adoration of our savior if that is what it is about to you.

peter

Except the part about lying about the fat man in the red suit this pretty well sums it up for me, too.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Good Lord what child would eat candy from this van.....let alone approach it.

 

[Ph8th]

Simply posting a verse or passage of Scripture is almost meaningless if no explanation of the passage and how it is relevant is given. I wanted to address what I thought you were saying with it but there is no point in proceeding based on an assumption of what I think you are thinking the verse means. It needs to be dealt with no because I want to joust but because error regarding Scripture needs to be corrected.

Again, the passage in Jeremiah has to do with cutting down a tree to make it into an idol that is to be worshiped. This has nothing to do with Christians having a tree to celebrate the birth of Christ.


This has absolutely nothing to do with worshiping a tree and the comment on sacrificing chickens is fallacious and unnecessary.

You said
Simply posting a verse or passage of Scripture is almost meaningless if no explanation of the passage and how it is relevant is given.
I say
The key word is almost the scripture spoke for itself of pagan ritual which is still performed today.
God says
3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Does that sound like something you know?
You said
I wanted to address what I thought you were saying with it but there is no point in proceeding based on an assumption of what I think you are thinking the verse means. It needs to be dealt with no because I want to joust but because error regarding Scripture needs to be corrected.
I say
Scripture does not need to be corrected
You said
Again, the passage in Jeremiah has to do with cutting down a tree to make it into an idol that is to be worshiped.
I say
that tree is the very center of the celebration of 99% of people who participate in xmas OH Christmas tree Oh Christmas tree How lovely are thine braches
You said
This has nothing to do with Christians having a tree to celebrate the birth of Christ.
I say
That is exactly what I have been telling you
You said
This has absolutely nothing to do with worshiping a tree and the comment on sacrificing chickens is fallacious and unnecessary.
I say
However you choose to do it pagan worship is pagan worship
God says
Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

peter
Next we should discuss mistletoe holly and the yule time log..I did not want to go here.......

But you called me out
here is my answer to this thread I would have liked to have left it there

No it is not scriptural. I am not bashing anyone or anything. I believe God tells us how and how not He is to be worshiped and don't know of scripture that supports it. I do think that the out pouring to give to others this time of year is wonderful and glorifies God. I question why it takes a time of the year to give. I think it is bad for people to lie to their children about the fat man in the red suit who will answer their prayers if they ask him. I think it is wrong to say it is about Jesus when 99% of what we see and hear is anything but.
Again I think it is a great opportunity for families to come together in praise and adoration of our savior if that is what it is about to you.

peter

 

[Corn Pop]

Jerimiah 10:3-4 sure looks like a christmas tree to me.

Unless anyone can show where trees are cut down and decorated anywhere other than christmas.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Jerimiah 10:3-4 sure looks like a christmas tree to me.

Note verse 5...

"Do not fear them, For they can do no harm, Nor can they do any good." (Jeremiah 10:5 NASB)

Christmas trees are nothing. We need not fear them.

 

[Ph8th]

Verse two we are told not to partake
2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them

 

[Douglas Summers]

Is it? Does God honor it?

Hi Classik, It was a pagan practice that God condemned in the OT as Pagan worship, including the decorated tree. The Roman Catholic's incorporated it into the church to draw other heathen worshipers in to the church, just hoping to introduce them to Catholicism. It was actually a pagan worship for the winter solace. The same as Easter was incorporated to replace The Passover. I will give you the OT Scriptures in the next post reply. This is just a summary. Halloween is also a pagan holiday that the RCC calls All Saints Day. The celebration of Christ birth is in the heart of gladness, and a great time to have family and friends to come together in Spirit of fellowship and peace, The rest of it is just commercial.

 

[Free]

http://www.str.org/articles/is-christmas-pagan#.VnDsK-xfP7o

That should be the end of it but I know it won't be as some are intent on misusing Scripture. The Bible says nothing about Christmas trees. Period.

 

[Obadiah]

Amazing to me every year that when Christians try to celebrate the birth of out Lord, there are those who the devil sends to bring doubt, cast divisions, and do everything they can to prevent us from celebrating the greatest thing a great God has ever done for us, that is to have sent his son to save us from sin.

 

[Ph8th]

http://www.str.org/articles/is-christmas-pagan#.VnDsK-xfP7o

That should be the end of it but I know it won't be as some are intent on misusing Scripture. The Bible says nothing about Christmas trees. Period.

you have failed to show xmas as being scriptural. I did show that the tree used in celebration of x mas has pagan origin. Classik began this thread asking if it was scriptural I said it was not as many others did also she ask if it honored God this is why Jeremiah 10 was posted. You disagreed with the scripture. That is your choice. As I said before you can sacrifice chickens or what ever else you choose that is up to you. I was willing to let this go many post ago

 

[Obadiah]

you have failed to show xmas as being scriptural. I did show that the tree used in celebration of x mas has pagan origin. Classik began this thread asking if it was scriptural I said it was not as many others did also she ask if it honored God this is why Jeremiah 10 was posted. You disagreed with the scripture. That is your choice. As I said before you can sacrifice chickens or what ever else you choose that is up to you. I was willing to let this go many post ago

I would recommend you stop falsely accusing people of "sacrificing chickens" as this is a violation of ToS 2.4. No one in this thread ever claimed to do this. Also, your use of the term "xmas" is offensive to Christians as it is taken to mean "Xing" Christ out of Christmas.

 

[WIP]

No it is not scriptural. I am not bashing anyone or anything. I believe God tells us how and how not He is to be worshiped and don't know of scripture that supports it. I do think that the out pouring to give to others this time of year is wonderful and glorifies God. I question why it takes a time of the year to give. I think it is bad for people to lie to their children about the fat man in the red suit who will answer their prayers if they ask him. I think it is wrong to say it is about Jesus when 99% of what we see and hear is anything but.
Again I think it is a great opportunity for families to come together in praise and adoration of our savior if that is what it is about to you.

For the most part, I agree with what you have posted and I appreciate the scripture from Jeremiah as it has spoken to me but honestly, the above quote would have been a much more Christian way to approach the topic than to come out with your fists flying as you did.

 

[Free]

You said
Simply posting a verse or passage of Scripture is almost meaningless if no explanation of the passage and how it is relevant is given.
I say
The key word is almost the scripture spoke for itself of pagan ritual which is still performed today.
God says
3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Does that sound like something you know?

Again, the passage in Jeremiah is only addressing the use of trees to make idols, which has nothing to do with Christmas, at least not for Christians. It is a misuse of Scripture to use that verse as though it is speaking of Christmas trees.

You said
I wanted to address what I thought you were saying with it but there is no point in proceeding based on an assumption of what I think you are thinking the verse means. It needs to be dealt with no because I want to joust but because error regarding Scripture needs to be corrected.
I say
Scripture does not need to be corrected

I never said Scripture needs to be corrected. It is your error regarding the use of Scripture that needs to be corrected.

You said
This has nothing to do with Christians having a tree to celebrate the birth of Christ.
I say
That is exactly what I have been telling you

No it isn't. You have taken me out of context just as you have taken Scripture out of context. This is what I said:

"Again, the passage in Jeremiah has to do with cutting down a tree to make it into an idol that is to be worshiped. This has nothing to do with Christians having a tree to celebrate the birth of Christ."

A significant error you and others in this thread are making, apart from taking Jeremiah out of context, is your assumption that because something doesn't appear in Scripture it is therefore wrong and something Christians shouldn't be involved in.

You said
This has absolutely nothing to do with worshiping a tree and the comment on sacrificing chickens is fallacious and unnecessary.
I say
However you choose to do it pagan worship is pagan worship
God says
Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

No one is doing pagan worship other than pagans. Do not suggest that Christians who celebrate the birth of Christ at Christmas are involved in pagan worship. That would be a lie, un-Christian, and a violation of the TOS.

 

[turnorburn]

After viewing some of the links (not in details)...I think we've lost something
The world seems to have taken over completely

i can assure you that the early church went through the same thing Classic, then came compromise, following that came the apostate church that slowly incorporated all the other pagan rituals, until one day some people said enough is enough and the word Protestant was born..

 

[Free]

you have failed to show xmas as being scriptural.

I never said it was Scriptural.

I did show that the tree used in celebration of x mas has pagan origin.

If you're thinking of the passage in Jeremiah, then no, you have done no such thing. You would have to point me to your post if you're not referring to the passage in Jeremiah.

Classik began this thread asking if it was scriptural I said it was not as many others did also she ask if it honored God this is why Jeremiah 10 was posted. You disagreed with the scripture. That is your choice.

You're misusing Scripture by taking it out of context. It is you that disagrees with Scripture, not me.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Is it? Does God honor it?

Classik, Here are some OT Scripture on what is called Christmas today, but was a heathen worship. (Jer. 10: 1-4)'

About Easter. Everything about Easter is pagan. Sunrise service, colored eggs, bunnies, and even the name Easter is pagan. All this is condemned by God in the OT. Do A word study on all these words in OT and discover for your self.

 

[Ph8th]

I would recommend you stop falsely accusing people of "sacrificing chickens" as this is a violation of ToS 2.4. No one in this thread ever claimed to do this. Also, your use of the term "xmas" is offensive to Christians as it is taken to mean "Xing" Christ out of Christmas.

I did not accuse any body of sacrificing chickens but doing so is pagan it was to say he can participate in any pagan ritual he desires.
I stated what I did answering the OP free took it upon himself to come after me.
peter