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Is Christmas celebration scriptural?

I keep hearing claims that just because pagans do something doesn't men Christians have the same intent. And again, if scripture does not forbid it then it's not a problem, or to that effect.

OK, hold those thoughts. Fine and dandy, but then I'm curious what the point of the tree is, even if we can debate that there's no harm in it? What's this season all about anyway? Going even broader, why even Christmas at all? We know Christ wasn't born then, but Christianity just placed his name on the holiday. This holiday really originated in the world.

I can agree that you can do the same thing as pagans can do, but for a different meaning. For example, a pagan will hammer in a nail above the door to prevent bad luck. Now me, I'll put it in to prevent bad luck of the door frame from falling down on one's head, so that's a pragmatic use of the nail -- it's not superstition. Likewise, one can have a tree in their house. They are not worshipping it. But if there's a reason like its a sick tree and one's into dendrology, then it may look like the same thing a pagan is doing despite the intentions being different. So my question again is what's the point of the tree if it's not an idol (to which I'll give one the benefit of the doubt to those who say they don't worship it) and for that matter, the season? I'm a little lost here understanding it all.
 
Ever see one of these or have you ever put one atop of a Christmas tree? Google starburst of the sun god

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tim-from-pa said:
I keep hearing claims that just because pagans do something doesn't men (sic) Christians have the same intent. And again, if scripture does not forbid it then it's not a problem, or to that effect..
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Exactly. Afterall, who decides what is sin? Man or God?

tim-from-pa said:
...why even Christmas at all? We know Christ wasn't born then, but Christianity just placed his name on the holiday...
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So what? It seems like you are saying we shouldn't celebrate Jesus' birth at all, yet we celebrate our own birthdays. Are we that much more important than Jesus? And many people celebrate their own birthdays on a different day than they were actually born. Again: So what? The celebration is for the fact that Jesus was born, not for the fact of what day he was born on. Or is the exact day of the year it happened on more important to you than the fact that he was indeed born at all?


tim-from-pa said:
...For example, a pagan will hammer in a nail above the door to prevent bad luck. Now me, I'll put it in to prevent bad luck of the door frame from falling down on one's head, so that's a pragmatic use of the nail -- it's not superstition....
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And no one I've ever met (even non-Christians) puts a Christmas tree in their house out of superstition either, unless maybe they really are part of some pagan cult that still believes in this. But then they are not Christians, so this issue isn't even worth worrying about with them. I would say if any Christian, or any Christian on this board for that matter, can't put a Christmas tree in their house without falling into worshipping it, then they need to study and learn some serious grounding and maturing of their faith very quickly because someone that weak will never be able to take a lasting stand for God out in the real world where we are supposed to be doing that.


tim-from-pa said:
...I'll give one the benefit of the doubt to those who say they don't worship it) and for that matter, the season? I'm a little lost here understanding it all.
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antipasta said:
Because it's fun.
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Exactly! Or do you believe God prohibits fun?


tim-from-pa said:
...to which I'll give one the benefit of the doubt to those who say they don't worship it...
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It sounds like you are having trouble believing anyone who "says" they don't worship it? Is that perhaps because you know that if you put one in your house you know you would not be able to resist worshipping it, therefore you can't imagine anyone else being able to resist it?
 
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tim-from-pa said:
So my question again is what's the point of the tree if it's not an idol (to which I'll give one the benefit of the doubt to those who say they don't worship it) and for that matter, the season? I'm a little lost here understanding it all.
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Well, thanks for giving Christians "the benefit of the doubt" that say they don't worship the tree. How kind of you.

The point of the tree is the same as lights on the house and any other decoration put up inside the house--decoration. The point of the season is obvious, is it not? To celebrate the birth of Christ, about which Obadiah is correct--the actual date is irrelevant. And in celebrating, what better way then to spend time with loved ones and give gifts, especially to those who don't have much.
 
I've been awake and at work for about 20 hours now, so I'm fading too fast to watch a video over half an hour long. Maybe you could give a recap of it? Or maybe not worth it. He really did lose me in the first few seconds as soon as he said: "...with the intent to have those that follow Christianity to inadvertently worship Satan". That simply doesn't apply to me. Even as a small 4 or 5 year old child that was forced to go to Sunday school by my mom I already knew the difference between worshiping God and worshipping Satan, and I knew which one was good and which was bad too. There is simply no way that I am so weak or ignorant that a holiday like Christmas is going to make me worship Satan, especially not inadvertently. To me, that's like implying that I'm so low on common sense that when stopped for a traffic violation I might "inadvertently" pull out a gun and aim it at the cop!

Maybe after I've had some sleep I can come back and watch this. That is if I can even get past this "inadvertently worship Satan" part.
 
Obadiah said:
I've been awake and at work for about 20 hours now, so I'm fading too fast to watch a video over half an hour long. Maybe you could give a recap of it? Or maybe not worth it. He really did lose me in the first few seconds as soon as he said: "...with the intent to have those that follow Christianity to inadvertently worship Satan". That simply doesn't apply to me. Even as a small 4 or 5 year old child that was forced to go to Sunday school by my mom I already knew the difference between worshiping God and worshipping Satan, and I knew which one was good and which was bad too. There is simply no way that I am so weak or ignorant that a holiday like Christmas is going to make me worship Satan, especially not inadvertently. To me, that's like implying that I'm so low on common sense that when stopped for a traffic violation I might "inadvertently" pull out a gun and aim it at the cop!

Maybe after I've had some sleep I can come back and watch this. That is if I can even get past this "inadvertently worship Satan" part.
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Many gods were born on the 25th.
 
kiwidan said:
Many gods were born on the 25th.
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See, this is what I've talked to you about before. After I responded to your post, you deleted your entire post, making me look irrational in my response to any non-staff members who can't see your deletion. I told you before that this is an unfair tactic.

For posterity, this is the link that made up your entire post which I responded to before you deleted it:
 
Obadiah said:
See, this is what I've talked to you about before. After I responded to your post, you deleted your entire post, making me look irrational in my response to any non-staff members who can't see your deletion. I told you before that this is an unfair tactic.

For posterity, this is the link that made up your entire post which I responded to before you deleted it:
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Its not a tactic, I replied to your post and anyone with half a brain would just think its not a conversation for them or they missed something. I know what I posted, you know what I posted, I replied to your post, whats that anyone elses business if they missed words, mans words are not suppose to linger forever, if they did my sins still stand. You worry to much what other people think.
 
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kiwidan said:
Its not a tactic, I replied to your post and anyone with half a brain would just think its not a conversation about them or they missed something. I know what I posted, you know what I posted, I replied to your post, whats that anyone elses business. You worry to much what other people think.
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Actually it is everyone's business because this is an open public forum. What a member posts in this type of forum is meant to be for everyone to read and respond to if they choose. If that's not the intention, we have the private message system for things that are meant to be read by only a limited number of people.

And, by the way, it's a moderator's job to worry about what other people think.
 
kiwidan said:
Its not a tactic, .
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Hey Dan check this video out
This guy is addresses all of the pagan things this season brings. He also addresses the celebrations and feast The bible and Jesus points us to participate in............. Good stuff
peter
 
Obadiah said:
Actually it is everyone's business because this is an open public forum. What a member posts in this type of forum is meant to be for everyone to read and respond to if they choose. If that's not the intention, we have the private message system for things that are meant to be read by only a limited number of people.

And, by the way, it's a moderator's job to worry about what other people think.
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Do you not see?. Im not the one who posted that link, you are. If I posted a link about people should deny christ and worship satan, and you had not watched it as your tired, would you then repost it without a thought.
 
Obadiah said:
Actually it is everyone's business because this is an open public forum. What a member posts in this type of forum is meant to be for everyone to read and respond to if they choose..
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Really? But it is not ok if its a scripture referring to pagan ritual or was it the tree that caused the issue? with you
 
Ph8th said:
Really? But it is not ok if its a scripture referring to pagan ritual or was it the tree that caused the issue? with you
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I don't even know what you are talking about. Of course it's OK to post scripture and I never said there was any issue with me about this.

At this point I am speaking as staff. This subject will be handled outside of this forum from here on, and this thread needs to return to the topic of the OP.
 
Closed this needs to be cleaned up..

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