farouk
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Alabaster:
I agree with this idea, certainly.
It should be assumed that believers share a common desire to understand what the Bible really teaches.
Whereas the academic/political way can often be to debate endlessly, it seems.
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Alabaster:
I agree with this idea, certainly.
It should be assumed that believers share a common desire to understand what the Bible really teaches.
Whereas the academic/political way can often be to debate endlessly, it seems.
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Elijah674
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Elijah here:
Hey, you say that this is your CHURCH + Christians??If so, then
where did you run off to then? You were the one that started this [EXTRA GOOD THREAD] up, right?? And we see your 'other Christian' church friends (?) still here bringing forth their debates as one call's them. (and not church lesson study??)
You see old friend, this is what Christ is all about, as Real Christian's one does not just put their tail between their legs & then run on home to mommie rome! Rev. 17:1-5 + Matt. 10:38.
And then 'just' perhaps (?) there is another thought where 'your' church has used their power to execute Christ all over again through you?? (the Heb. 6:6 repeat) If that is the case, then you are in good company.. finally! (Matt. 10:22-25)
And do remember that those ones who were doing these 'c'hristian things were the ones who in verse 5-6 finds Christ documenting were a LOST HOUSE of worship!
Hi, you know who. :waving But for forum folks, let me say this as 'i' see it. First, there are few that I corespond with with [personel] emails. And the reason being is kind of like Gen. 49:17's remark to Dan (and us?) saying.. 'Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.'
What does that mean? I see it as a type of gossip, and I do not want to get involved it that, huh? So please do not send me personal emails about other posters. If one want Spiritual material, or if there is sincere interest in another person, that is by all means another rightful requirement.
But the other kind? Thanks, but NO Thanks!
Let me just say thread/wise, is this a type of your corporate worship?? If so, that is not the way that I see Christ requiring us to mature! (not even any hint of gossip) If personal emails are important, then why not post them for all to read?
I sat in a church nominating board meeting some time back when a name came up for an elder position. A name was placed before the committee members, and the pastor said.. not him! He was asked why? And he said that he did not want to talk about it. Does that have anything to do with corporate worship?? Most would surely want to say no, perhaps? And most would not want to question the pastors remark of .. No, not him?? OK, where is the line/drawn?
Corporate worship to me is freedom of religion. And I believe that Christ requires His work to be as open as the sun light.
--Elijah
jasoncran
Member
does on debate with GOD? when he says you are in sin?
Well, I am happy to say I did not get the gossip email but I heard Pastor Poonen give a wonderful solution to the gossip problem. He said when he first became a pastor he discovered people liked to come to him in private and gossip about others in the congregation. Of course they did it under the guise that it was for the benefit of the person being gossiped about. So he prayed about it, got a solution, and now as an old pastor he says he never has to deal gossips anymore. His solution was he told the gossip "Oh, thank you for telling me that. I see you are so concerned about that person I am going to go right now to them and tell them you came to me with this report and tell them everything you said." Of course, the person would then say "oh no, don`t tell them I said that. I just wanted to let you know". Then the pastor would reply I am sure since you wanted to let me know you also want me to do something about it so I am going to the person right away to clear it up. If the person insisted that he not reveal their name which always happened, then he would remind them what the Bible says about gossip. He said he no longer has a problem with gossips coming to him. I really like his solution. It is so simple and practical.
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Elijah674
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--Elijah here:
Good testimony. Pastors are surely in a real 'tight spot' with this important corporate worship responsibility. (as I see it) The below is something done long ago by another, which 'i' try to adhere to.
There are very many who do not fear to deceive their fellow men, but they have been taught, and have been impressed by the Spirit of God, that it is a fearful thing to lie to their Maker. When put under oath they are made to feel that they are not testifying merely before men, but before God; that if they bear false witness, it is to Him who reads the heart and who knows the exact truth. The knowledge of the fearful judgments that have followed this sin has a restraining influence upon them.
But if there is anyone who can consistently testify under oath, it is the Christian. He lives constantly as in the presence of God, knowing that every thought is open to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do; and when required to do so in a lawful manner, it is right for him to appeal to God as a witness that what he says is the truth, and nothing but the truth.
Jesus proceeded to lay down a principle that would make oath taking needless. He teaches that the exact truth should be the law of speech. "Let your speech be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: and whatsoever is more than these is of the evil one." R.V. These words condemn all those meaningless phrases and expletives that border on profanity. They condemn the deceptive compliments, the evasion of truth, the flattering phrases, the exaggerations, the misrepresentations in trade, that are current in society and in the business world. They teach that no one who tries to appear what he is not, or whose words do not convey the real sentiment of his heart, can be called truthful. (my added emphasis
If these words of Christ were heeded, they would check the utterance of evil surmising and unkind criticism; for in commenting upon the actions and motives of another, who can be certain of speaking the exact truth? How often pride, passion, personal resentment, color the impression given! A glance, a word, even an intonation of the voice, may be vital with falsehood. Even facts may be so stated as to convey a false impression. And "whatsoever is more than" truth, "is of the evil one."
Everything that Christians do should be as transparent as the sunlight. Truth is of God; deception, in every one of its myriad forms, is of Satan; and whoever in any way departs from the straight line of truth is betraying himself into the power of the wicked one. Yet it is not a light or an easy thing to speak the exact truth. We cannot speak the truth unless we know the truth; and how often preconceived opinions, mental bias, imperfect knowledge, errors of judgment, prevent a right understanding of matters with which we have to do! We cannot speak the truth unless our minds are continually guided by Him who is truth.
Through the apostle Paul, Christ bids us, "Let your speech be alway with grace." "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers." Colossians 4:6; Ephesians 4:29. In the light of these scriptures the words of Christ upon the mount are seen to condemn jesting, trifling, and unchaste conversation. They require that our words should be not only truthful, but pure. Those who have learned of Christ will "have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness." Ephesians 5:11. In speech, as in life, they will be simple, straightforward, and true; for they are preparing for the fellowship of those holy ones in whose mouth "was found no guile." Revelation 14:5.
Just one more comment from me here. I suggest that if one is doing their best to be like Christ, and live this life of True Corporate Worship as the thread asks by the author of the thread, then he himself will soon get the boot! Matt. 10:34-38.
Good testimony. Pastors are surely in a real 'tight spot' with this important corporate worship responsibility. (as I see it) The below is something done long ago by another, which 'i' try to adhere to.
There are very many who do not fear to deceive their fellow men, but they have been taught, and have been impressed by the Spirit of God, that it is a fearful thing to lie to their Maker. When put under oath they are made to feel that they are not testifying merely before men, but before God; that if they bear false witness, it is to Him who reads the heart and who knows the exact truth. The knowledge of the fearful judgments that have followed this sin has a restraining influence upon them.
But if there is anyone who can consistently testify under oath, it is the Christian. He lives constantly as in the presence of God, knowing that every thought is open to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do; and when required to do so in a lawful manner, it is right for him to appeal to God as a witness that what he says is the truth, and nothing but the truth.
Jesus proceeded to lay down a principle that would make oath taking needless. He teaches that the exact truth should be the law of speech. "Let your speech be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: and whatsoever is more than these is of the evil one." R.V. These words condemn all those meaningless phrases and expletives that border on profanity. They condemn the deceptive compliments, the evasion of truth, the flattering phrases, the exaggerations, the misrepresentations in trade, that are current in society and in the business world. They teach that no one who tries to appear what he is not, or whose words do not convey the real sentiment of his heart, can be called truthful. (my added emphasis
If these words of Christ were heeded, they would check the utterance of evil surmising and unkind criticism; for in commenting upon the actions and motives of another, who can be certain of speaking the exact truth? How often pride, passion, personal resentment, color the impression given! A glance, a word, even an intonation of the voice, may be vital with falsehood. Even facts may be so stated as to convey a false impression. And "whatsoever is more than" truth, "is of the evil one."
Everything that Christians do should be as transparent as the sunlight. Truth is of God; deception, in every one of its myriad forms, is of Satan; and whoever in any way departs from the straight line of truth is betraying himself into the power of the wicked one. Yet it is not a light or an easy thing to speak the exact truth. We cannot speak the truth unless we know the truth; and how often preconceived opinions, mental bias, imperfect knowledge, errors of judgment, prevent a right understanding of matters with which we have to do! We cannot speak the truth unless our minds are continually guided by Him who is truth.
Through the apostle Paul, Christ bids us, "Let your speech be alway with grace." "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers." Colossians 4:6; Ephesians 4:29. In the light of these scriptures the words of Christ upon the mount are seen to condemn jesting, trifling, and unchaste conversation. They require that our words should be not only truthful, but pure. Those who have learned of Christ will "have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness." Ephesians 5:11. In speech, as in life, they will be simple, straightforward, and true; for they are preparing for the fellowship of those holy ones in whose mouth "was found no guile." Revelation 14:5.
Just one more comment from me here. I suggest that if one is doing their best to be like Christ, and live this life of True Corporate Worship as the thread asks by the author of the thread, then he himself will soon get the boot! Matt. 10:34-38.
Would you please explain what you mean by this statement.
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Elijah674
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Just a couple chapters has Christs Words (Inspiration) explain this. Note Matt. 10:5-6, then verse 15! And what did these ones sent of God exsperience? Read the rest of the Truth in 21-38. Even called 'more than' Beelzebub! (verse 25)
And this was Christ's Church! John 1:11.
And the FINAL talley? Read Eze. 9:1-7 & verse 11 finds the End results.
Read it carefully & you will find just the two class, the saved & the lost divided. Even those who were to be executed by God first. (compare Luke 12:47-48)
It does not take any arm of flesh commentary to understand just these two books of Inspiration. (Jer. 17:5) The last Church is said to be SPEWED OUT in Rev. 3:16, with the reason given.
--Elijah
Thank you for your reply Elijah. I would like to wrap up my thoughts on this thread by saying what I think corporate worship is. I think corporate worship/church is just like Jesus taught the commandments. To murder or commit adultery is not just the physical act, it comes from the heart. Likewise, church is far more than just going to a gathering once a week for 1-2 hours. Corporate worship is a lifestyle where on a daily basis we live in harmony and unity as a body with other Believers. I believe this is the true design and meaning for church. If one part of the body is hurting or not functioning correctly then all the parts come together to help the part that isn`t functioning right. The body does not cut off the broken finger. Instead it works to repair that finger while the other fingers take on the extra work.
I would like to tie this in with Strangelove. I saw on his profile that he was banned. This was both shocking and saddening to me. After I thought about it I thought if he is guilty so are we. He was the baby Christian, but a lot of us are old time Christians and we should set the example for him. If we come with hard words at him, how do we expect him to respond? And how do we expect him in turn to talk to another person? He is following an example that we older Christians are demonstrating to him, yet he alone took the bullet of banishment. I think we should take much better care of our babies than this.
I would also like to point out that most of us if we were banished from this forum, it would not be such a big deal. Many have extended family for support around us; our church congregation; and most of all our years of experience walking with Christ to know how faithful He is even when humans are not. But Strangelove lives overseas away from his extended family so he has no support there. He has no church in his nonChristian land to turn to for support, and as a baby he has very little experience walking with Christ to even fall on that. As Believers we have to consider things like this in our Bretheren. This is part of Corporate worship to look at our Bretheren and consider their needs and where they are in the faith. Do we really want to banish a baby brother in such a situation or as Christians do we want to care for such a brother? Yes, he may come across as cocky; he may have beliefs that conflict with our own, and he may be argumentative, but can`t we be patient with him especially the older Believers? If he crosses a line, can we just quietly leave the thread or do we have to press and prove ourselves right?
New Christians are often "on fire" with passion for God and sometimes that passion is not always expressed in the best way or most mature way, but do we take these new Christians and banish them? I hope from now on, we older Christians will take note when someone says they are a new Christian and we will make an effort to show extra patience and kindness to that person. But will Strangelove choose to come back? I don`t know. I don`t think I would come back if I were banished but if he does and if other new Christians come, I think we should take care to set an example of patience and kindness with them and that will be a mark of true corporate worship.
I would like to tie this in with Strangelove. I saw on his profile that he was banned. This was both shocking and saddening to me. After I thought about it I thought if he is guilty so are we. He was the baby Christian, but a lot of us are old time Christians and we should set the example for him. If we come with hard words at him, how do we expect him to respond? And how do we expect him in turn to talk to another person? He is following an example that we older Christians are demonstrating to him, yet he alone took the bullet of banishment. I think we should take much better care of our babies than this.
I would also like to point out that most of us if we were banished from this forum, it would not be such a big deal. Many have extended family for support around us; our church congregation; and most of all our years of experience walking with Christ to know how faithful He is even when humans are not. But Strangelove lives overseas away from his extended family so he has no support there. He has no church in his nonChristian land to turn to for support, and as a baby he has very little experience walking with Christ to even fall on that. As Believers we have to consider things like this in our Bretheren. This is part of Corporate worship to look at our Bretheren and consider their needs and where they are in the faith. Do we really want to banish a baby brother in such a situation or as Christians do we want to care for such a brother? Yes, he may come across as cocky; he may have beliefs that conflict with our own, and he may be argumentative, but can`t we be patient with him especially the older Believers? If he crosses a line, can we just quietly leave the thread or do we have to press and prove ourselves right?
New Christians are often "on fire" with passion for God and sometimes that passion is not always expressed in the best way or most mature way, but do we take these new Christians and banish them? I hope from now on, we older Christians will take note when someone says they are a new Christian and we will make an effort to show extra patience and kindness to that person. But will Strangelove choose to come back? I don`t know. I don`t think I would come back if I were banished but if he does and if other new Christians come, I think we should take care to set an example of patience and kindness with them and that will be a mark of true corporate worship.
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Alabaster
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pjt your compassion is awesome, yet you are not the only one here with such compassion.
New believers don't denigrate the Body of Christ. They desire it.
New believers don't denigrate the Body of Christ. They desire it.
It has been brought to my attention that my post could cause contention among the members. I sincerely hope that does not happen because as I wrote, I feel corporate worship is living in harmony with each other as Christians. May I clarify I didn`t mean for my post to accuse any particular people. I just wanted the group as a whole to realize what happened to one baby Christian and for us to consider if we could have done something to prevent it by just setting a little more patient tone with him or any new very passionate Christians in the future. New Christians are often "on fire" and young Christians often love to debate which can sometimes go too far, so I was just wanting to say when we realize we are debating a young, immature Christian maybe we should consider that in the way we approach the debate otherwise they may find themselves banished too. That is all I wanted to say. And God bless to you all!
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