Christian Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
-
Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
-
Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
-
-
Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
-
-
How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
-
Is Cremation Christian?
- Thread starter Lewis
- Start date
Deborah13
Member
I agree.
1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
The body must die, whether by natural death or by being changed while still alive, not all will die a physical death before the resurrection. But....
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
So I see that all flesh, no matter what condition it is in or whether it has been buried in the ground or is still alive is corrupt, it will need to be changed.
Just a thought that popped into my head just now. Are we sown in an earthly body into this earthly place at birth? We become born again in the Spirit but the body is still corrupt. So when was this body sown? Hmm....never mind, off topic.
Last edited:
Chopper
Member
I wondered when this subject would come up. Very interesting posts, I must say. As a pastor of a few churches, the question would usually come up. I always told the flock that I believed that burial of the body was better than cremation. I felt it was more Biblical. Today, the expense of the two leads to cremation if cost is an issue. My first wife died of cancer, I had her buried. Is there a problem with cremation? To be honest, I can't think of any.
Lewis
Member
If you don't get embalmed' this will happen to you.
Human Decomposition
http://www.deathfacts.com/human-decomposition.html
After death, the human body undergoes decomposition in five stages. A variety of insects may be present for each stage. The fresh stage represents the first few days after death, during which no physical appearance of decomposition is present. The body, however, is actively changing, life functions have ceased and cells and tissues begin to break down. The body cools to the temperature of its surroundings, and insects begin to lay eggs on the body. If the body is on or in the ground, insects native to the soil account for increased insect activity.
The second stage of decomposition is putrefaction, in which the body begins to show more obvious signs of decay, including changes in color and odor, and significant bloating. Chemical processes produce gases which cause facial swelling, as well as gases which fill the abdomen and force fecal matter out of the body. The abdomen turns green from bacterial interaction with hemoglobin. Bacteria enter the veins and interact with the blood, initially causing red streaking; the red streaking later changes to green marbelization of the skin. A greater variety of insects increasingly infest the body. Black putrefaction is the third stage of decomposition, characterized by the darking color of the body, the rupturing of the abdomen, and the escape of abdominal gases following bloating.
This rupture opens the body cavity to a greater variety of insects and scavengers. The black putrefaction stage lasts approximately ten to twenty days, until the bones become visible. The fourth stage is Butyric fermentation, in which the body begins to dry and preserve itself. Odors fade, and the body forms an adipocere, or “grave wax” layer. Organs and tissues reduce and wither. After the organs and tissues are gone, the final stage of decomposition is dry decay, or skeletonization. This is the longest stage, as the chemical structure of bones makes them much slower to deteriorate than soft tissue. The speed of bone decay depends greatly upon the environmental factors present at the body’s location, including moisture, temperature, and especially the pH of the soil.
Human Decomposition
http://www.deathfacts.com/human-decomposition.html
After death, the human body undergoes decomposition in five stages. A variety of insects may be present for each stage. The fresh stage represents the first few days after death, during which no physical appearance of decomposition is present. The body, however, is actively changing, life functions have ceased and cells and tissues begin to break down. The body cools to the temperature of its surroundings, and insects begin to lay eggs on the body. If the body is on or in the ground, insects native to the soil account for increased insect activity.
The second stage of decomposition is putrefaction, in which the body begins to show more obvious signs of decay, including changes in color and odor, and significant bloating. Chemical processes produce gases which cause facial swelling, as well as gases which fill the abdomen and force fecal matter out of the body. The abdomen turns green from bacterial interaction with hemoglobin. Bacteria enter the veins and interact with the blood, initially causing red streaking; the red streaking later changes to green marbelization of the skin. A greater variety of insects increasingly infest the body. Black putrefaction is the third stage of decomposition, characterized by the darking color of the body, the rupturing of the abdomen, and the escape of abdominal gases following bloating.
This rupture opens the body cavity to a greater variety of insects and scavengers. The black putrefaction stage lasts approximately ten to twenty days, until the bones become visible. The fourth stage is Butyric fermentation, in which the body begins to dry and preserve itself. Odors fade, and the body forms an adipocere, or “grave wax” layer. Organs and tissues reduce and wither. After the organs and tissues are gone, the final stage of decomposition is dry decay, or skeletonization. This is the longest stage, as the chemical structure of bones makes them much slower to deteriorate than soft tissue. The speed of bone decay depends greatly upon the environmental factors present at the body’s location, including moisture, temperature, and especially the pH of the soil.
In California not all states have the same laws...
Dad was dieing soon... I went with mom to the mortuary .. I asked them what do you have to do by law..... so we started there... dressing dad would have cost 200 i looked at mom asked here what was Jesus buried in? guess what no charge for being wrapped in the sheet... Dad could be buried in a military .cemetery no charge.. Mom how much do you want to pay for a box to go in the ground? .. but transport? so i asked transportation had to be covered... a van a covered pickup not a problem borrowed a pickup with a camper shell. Drivers? our son and my brother... there was more... the point getting buried does not have to cost a small fortune ... if you're willing to step out ... No kid could love their dad more then i did but Dad was gone by the time this all went on. Dad was fishing with St Peter. He was with the Lord....
Dad was dieing soon... I went with mom to the mortuary .. I asked them what do you have to do by law..... so we started there... dressing dad would have cost 200 i looked at mom asked here what was Jesus buried in? guess what no charge for being wrapped in the sheet... Dad could be buried in a military .cemetery no charge.. Mom how much do you want to pay for a box to go in the ground? .. but transport? so i asked transportation had to be covered... a van a covered pickup not a problem borrowed a pickup with a camper shell. Drivers? our son and my brother... there was more... the point getting buried does not have to cost a small fortune ... if you're willing to step out ... No kid could love their dad more then i did but Dad was gone by the time this all went on. Dad was fishing with St Peter. He was with the Lord....
Deborah13
Member
yep, it is the natural process for all of God's creatures of the flesh.
But....
Praise the Lord we get a new and better model, significantly upgraded that will never die.
:halo:amen
Lewis
Member
I Lewis will be cremated. Below is what happens in a casket.
Although embalming is not required by law it is performed on a large percentage of bodies that will be buried.
From this point on, nature is very efficient at breaking down human corpses. Decomposition is well under way by the time burial or cremation occurs. However, the exact rate of decomposition depends to some extent on environmental conditions.
Decomposition in the air is twice as fast as when the body is under water and four times as fast as underground. Corpses are preserved longer when buried deeper, as long as the ground isn't waterlogged.
The whole process is generally slower in a coffin, and the body may remain identifiable for many months. Some tissues, such as tendons and ligaments, are more resistant to decomposition, while the uterus and prostate glands may last several months.
But within a year all that is usually left is the skeleton and teeth, with traces of the tissues on them - it takes 40 to 50 years for the bones to become dry and brittle in a coffin. In soil of neutral acidity, bones may last for hundreds of years, while acid peaty soil gradually dissolves the bones.
Abraham Lincoln was embalmed after his assassination in 1865. In order to prevent anyone stealing Lincoln's body, Lincoln's eldest son Robert called for Lincoln's exhumation in 1901 to be buried in a concrete vault in the burial room of his tomb in Springfield, Illinois. Fearing that his body would have been stolen in the interim, Lincoln's coffin was opened, and his features were still recognizable, thirty-six years after his death.
Rosalia Lombardo, who died at age two on 6 December 1920 and was one of the last corpses to make it to the Capuchin catacombs of Palermo, Sicily before the local authorities banned the practice. Nicknamed the 'Sleeping Beauty', Rosalia's body is still perfectly intact. Embalmed by a certain Alfredo Salafia, she is in a glass case, looking very much like a surreal doll.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Body-Embalming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embalming#Notable_embalmings
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_the_doctor/decompositionafterdeath.shtml
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070804095320AAabFgu
Although embalming is not required by law it is performed on a large percentage of bodies that will be buried.
From this point on, nature is very efficient at breaking down human corpses. Decomposition is well under way by the time burial or cremation occurs. However, the exact rate of decomposition depends to some extent on environmental conditions.
Decomposition in the air is twice as fast as when the body is under water and four times as fast as underground. Corpses are preserved longer when buried deeper, as long as the ground isn't waterlogged.
The whole process is generally slower in a coffin, and the body may remain identifiable for many months. Some tissues, such as tendons and ligaments, are more resistant to decomposition, while the uterus and prostate glands may last several months.
But within a year all that is usually left is the skeleton and teeth, with traces of the tissues on them - it takes 40 to 50 years for the bones to become dry and brittle in a coffin. In soil of neutral acidity, bones may last for hundreds of years, while acid peaty soil gradually dissolves the bones.
Abraham Lincoln was embalmed after his assassination in 1865. In order to prevent anyone stealing Lincoln's body, Lincoln's eldest son Robert called for Lincoln's exhumation in 1901 to be buried in a concrete vault in the burial room of his tomb in Springfield, Illinois. Fearing that his body would have been stolen in the interim, Lincoln's coffin was opened, and his features were still recognizable, thirty-six years after his death.
Rosalia Lombardo, who died at age two on 6 December 1920 and was one of the last corpses to make it to the Capuchin catacombs of Palermo, Sicily before the local authorities banned the practice. Nicknamed the 'Sleeping Beauty', Rosalia's body is still perfectly intact. Embalmed by a certain Alfredo Salafia, she is in a glass case, looking very much like a surreal doll.
Deborah13
Member
I just read your post to my husband, I knew he'd chuckle.
He said to tell you what he had told me about his burial. So...this is the serious conversation right?
Pack (that means by horseback) me up on the mountain and kick me under a log.
The bears will eat you.
Na, my grandpa told me there were no turd eating bears in the forest so I was safe.
I'm serious.
Grin....how do you like me so far?
So much for serious burial conversations.
jasoncran
Member
my wife has requested that she will be creameated, when Cheyenne dies first, she will be cremated as well then mixed with my wife's ashes and spread over Cherokee, nc.me? bury me.
shoot guys we are all going to be around for the RAPTURE
Some glad morning when this life is o'er,
I'll fly away;
To a home on God's celestial shore,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away).
Chorus
I'll fly away, fly away, Oh Glory
I'll fly away; (in the morning)
When I die, Hallelujah, by and by,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away).
Just a few more weary days and then,
I'll fly away;
To a land where joy shall never end,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away)
Chorus
I'll fly away, fly away Oh Glory
I'll fly away; (in the morning)
When I die, Hallelujah, by and by,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away).
Some glad morning when this life is o'er,
I'll fly away;
To a home on God's celestial shore,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away).
Chorus
I'll fly away, fly away, Oh Glory
I'll fly away; (in the morning)
When I die, Hallelujah, by and by,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away).
Just a few more weary days and then,
I'll fly away;
To a land where joy shall never end,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away)
Chorus
I'll fly away, fly away Oh Glory
I'll fly away; (in the morning)
When I die, Hallelujah, by and by,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away).
jasoncran
Member
must be the scholfied in ya.
Jethro Bodine
Member
Lewis
Member
I Lewis will be cremated. Below is what happens in a casket.
Although embalming is not required by law it is performed on a large percentage of bodies that will be buried.
From this point on, nature is very efficient at breaking down human corpses. Decomposition is well under way by the time burial or cremation occurs. However, the exact rate of decomposition depends to some extent on environmental conditions.
Decomposition in the air is twice as fast as when the body is under water and four times as fast as underground. Corpses are preserved longer when buried deeper, as long as the ground isn't waterlogged.
The whole process is generally slower in a coffin, and the body may remain identifiable for many months. Some tissues, such as tendons and ligaments, are more resistant to decomposition, while the uterus and prostate glands may last several months.
But within a year all that is usually left is the skeleton and teeth, with traces of the tissues on them - it takes 40 to 50 years for the bones to become dry and brittle in a coffin. In soil of neutral acidity, bones may last for hundreds of years, while acid peaty soil gradually dissolves the bones.
Abraham Lincoln was embalmed after his assassination in 1865. In order to prevent anyone stealing Lincoln's body, Lincoln's eldest son Robert called for Lincoln's exhumation in 1901 to be buried in a concrete vault in the burial room of his tomb in Springfield, Illinois. Fearing that his body would have been stolen in the interim, Lincoln's coffin was opened, and his features were still recognizable, thirty-six years after his death.
Rosalia Lombardo, who died at age two on 6 December 1920 and was one of the last corpses to make it to the Capuchin catacombs of Palermo, Sicily before the local authorities banned the practice. Nicknamed the 'Sleeping Beauty', Rosalia's body is still perfectly intact. Embalmed by a certain Alfredo Salafia, she is in a glass case, looking very much like a surreal doll.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Body-Embalming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embalming#Notable_embalmings
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_the_doctor/decompositionafterdeath.shtml
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070804095320AAabFgu
Although embalming is not required by law it is performed on a large percentage of bodies that will be buried.
From this point on, nature is very efficient at breaking down human corpses. Decomposition is well under way by the time burial or cremation occurs. However, the exact rate of decomposition depends to some extent on environmental conditions.
Decomposition in the air is twice as fast as when the body is under water and four times as fast as underground. Corpses are preserved longer when buried deeper, as long as the ground isn't waterlogged.
The whole process is generally slower in a coffin, and the body may remain identifiable for many months. Some tissues, such as tendons and ligaments, are more resistant to decomposition, while the uterus and prostate glands may last several months.
But within a year all that is usually left is the skeleton and teeth, with traces of the tissues on them - it takes 40 to 50 years for the bones to become dry and brittle in a coffin. In soil of neutral acidity, bones may last for hundreds of years, while acid peaty soil gradually dissolves the bones.
Abraham Lincoln was embalmed after his assassination in 1865. In order to prevent anyone stealing Lincoln's body, Lincoln's eldest son Robert called for Lincoln's exhumation in 1901 to be buried in a concrete vault in the burial room of his tomb in Springfield, Illinois. Fearing that his body would have been stolen in the interim, Lincoln's coffin was opened, and his features were still recognizable, thirty-six years after his death.
Rosalia Lombardo, who died at age two on 6 December 1920 and was one of the last corpses to make it to the Capuchin catacombs of Palermo, Sicily before the local authorities banned the practice. Nicknamed the 'Sleeping Beauty', Rosalia's body is still perfectly intact. Embalmed by a certain Alfredo Salafia, she is in a glass case, looking very much like a surreal doll.
Obadiah
Member
Actually that's not as widely accepted of a basic belief as you seem to be saying here. No Christians I know (including a few respected theologians) believe that their actual physical earthly body, in whatever state it happens to be in when the resurrection comes will be the body that scripture says they will have when they rise from the dead. Even you yourself say:
So I'm not understanding why you also seem to think that if a body is cremated the person will have to go to heaven as a pile of ashes. And if this isn't what you are saying, than what's the point? It seems to me that if anything, the attempt to preserve a body is a pagan tradition. Isn't this why the Egyptian Pharaohs went to such great lengths to have their bodies preserved?
I agree that if this symbolism is important to you that by all means you should follow it, just as we all have particular symbolic things that are meaningful and important to us. Certainly be sure to leave clear instruction as to your wishes for your own body after death to be certain your loved ones know for sure what you wanted. When both my parents died it was a great comfort to me that they had made their wishes very clear. Probably a good idea to also make sure you leave enough easily available money in your estate to cover the high cost of the traditional embalming and burial type of funeral too, so as not to be an undue burden on your next of kin.
My only point is that this is not a command in scripture. If it were that important to God, He would have told us so. If this symbolism isn't important to someone else, they should not feel guilty about choosing cremation, at least not based on any supposed command from God which really doesn't exist. The simple act of cremation in and of itself, as well as the act of traditional burial, doesn't symbolize anything unless those symbols are purposely attached to it by those participating in it.
Last edited:
Obadiah
Member
It is. Nobody lives through cremation.
TOG
Member
Well, I can't help it if you don't understand something neither I nor anybody else here has ever said.
The TOG