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Is Divorce a Sin?

jasonc said:
and there are married men whom did that? I know a man who was charged with child porn(possession of videos) and caught by his wife and she turned him in and divorced him. I don't know if he did time or not. if he did it wasn't long because I saw him a year later.

im versed into that. but my disagreement is not with the control issue. but rather that you implied all rapists simply rape because of sex. not so.
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This depends on alot of things.Were the couples Christian?If not they are pretty much going to do what they want to do. I have heard of a Pastor who was very well known and respected in the Church have a moment of temptation and having a one time affair.
 
jasonc said:
i should delinate rape.
1) this coercion of sex by force, manipulation and also by nonconsent. consent as defined by sobriety, age and lucidity, and permission. a married man may rape his wife.

in my town there is a mother charged and convicted for 30 years of the crime of sex with a 16 year old boy. she fled to Canada and will not face deportation. Canada is giving her asylum.
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What secular people do and what Born Again believers of Christ do are two different things.
 
Kathi said:
Definately.It is dangerous to marry someone who is not a Christian if you are.I have seen it done and it usually ends up in a disaster.Although I have seen the one unbelieving spouse come to Christ but not always.You never should go into a relationship or marriage thinking you are going to change someone.It rarely happens.
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I don't think anyone deliberately goes into this type of marriage. Not everyone are Christians when they marry.
This type of person is very clever they don't walk around shouting, I'm a violate person. In fact if one reads much about it they will discover that some of the men were never abusive until the wife becomes pregnant with their first child.
 
Deborah13 said:
I don't think anyone deliberately goes into this type of marriage. Not everyone are Christians when they marry.
This type of person is very clever they don't walk around shouting, I'm a violate person. In fact if one reads much about it they will discover that some of the men were never abusive until the wife becomes pregnant with their first child.
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It is very easy to be deceived.That is why Christians should never be unevenly yoked.Sometimes a person will put on a great act and pretend to be a Christian because they know that it is very important to that person.Some people are great actors and could receive an Academy Award.Sometimes they will slip up and you can catch it before it is too late.
 
Kathi said:
This depends on alot of things.Were the couples Christian?If not they are pretty much going to do what they want to do. I have heard of a Pastor who was very well known and respected in the Church have a moment of temptation and having a one time affair.
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no, but you commited a logically fallacy. is one immediately healed of all failings at the cross. if i were to post some of Christ empowered old stuff as he just came to be in Christ the gay tempatations to sin and the struggle is any less of a Christian then and now? change is slow. i wouldn't have married my wife if knew here past as she didn't tell me and her daughters didn't say the stories they do now. monica was mad at me and hated me for being with my wife(gf) and then told me why years later. i now understand that. but i only got my wife side of the story. too late now.

again if both are Christians but lets be real.how many are Christians that are virgins in this culture when they come to Christ? not as much as it was in the 50's how many Christians were married before and had pasts? a lot, some married people they shouldn't have and no one of them is saved and the other isn't. sometimes one is an alcoholic and the other isn't and both are codependent. one is saved but still has the codenpendent tendencies.
 
jasonc said:
and there are married men whom did that? I know a man who was charged with child porn(possession of videos) and caught by his wife and she turned him in and divorced him. I don't know if he did time or not. if he did it wasn't long because I saw him a year later.

im versed into that. but my disagreement is not with the control issue. but rather that you implied all rapists simply rape because of sex. not so.
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I guess I should have been more clear. When I said Kidnap, I meant to take hostage and keep. Some keep them for days, some for months, and some for years.
 
Kathi said:
What secular people do and what Born Again believers of Christ do are two different things.
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again Christians don't sin? what if your spouse likes to drink. and wants to have sex? you oblidge. she is drunk. a crime has been commited. that is what that law says. that is also what ,MOST of the rapes that occur in the military are.i know teens that go out and what teen doesn't rebel and does stupid stuff and then pays for it. are they lost then and there?when they fornicate AND THEN have a kid? or hang out with a kid the Christian parent says don't and they both start drinking and hide it from the parents and one thing happens and they are in trouble.
 
Deborah13 said:
I guess I should have been more clear. When I said Kidnap, I meant to take hostage and keep. Some keep them for days, some for months, and some for years.
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You mean like what we have been reading on the news.Taking kids and using them for sex trafficking?
 
Deborah13 said:
I guess I should have been more clear. When I said Kidnap, I meant to take hostage and keep. Some keep them for days, some for months, and some for years.
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that is called human trafficking. there are signs of that before it happens. ie a job promised , move here and marry this guy.
 
my town had three rings of them busted. one for sex trafficking, one for labor trafficking and the third idk know what tyoe it was. the last one was close to three churches and the courthouse.
 
jasonc said:
again Christians don't sin? what if your spouse likes to drink. and wants to have sex? you oblidge. she is drunk. a crime has been commited. that is what that law says. that is also what ,MOST of the rapes that occur in the military are.i know teens that go out and what teen doesn't rebel and does stupid stuff and then pays for it. are they lost then and there?when they fornicate AND THEN have a kid? or hang out with a kid the Christian parent says don't and they both start drinking and hide it from the parents and one thing happens and they are in trouble.
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Christians sin all the time if not everyday.But you try your best to be obedient to God.That law is stupid.
 
Kathi said:
Christians sin all the time if not everyday.But you try your best to be obedient to God.That law is stupid.
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not really. ok there aren't men who deliberately will get a girl drunk just have sex with her as they knew when she is sober isn't easy but when she is drunk she is easy? i know of soldiers that do that. if they exclude sobriety as consent then so i can drop estacasy in your water and then you cant claim a crime commited? that would the slippery slope. i was just giving her something to drink and she saw the pill said what is it and i said just some fun that is all.

i know that it doesn't make sense to go that route but that is the other side of that.
 
jasonc said:
not really. ok there aren't men who deliberately will get a girl drunk just have sex with her as they knew when she is sober isn't easy but when she is drunk she is easy? i know of soldiers that do that. if they exclude sobriety as consent then so i can drop estacasy in your water and then you cant claim a crime commited? that would the slippery slope. i was just giving her something to drink and she saw the pill said what is it and i said just some fun that is all.

i know that it doesn't make sense to go that route but that is the other side of that.
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Estacasy is very common now in public bars.When my daughter would go out with friends she said that she had to watch her drink constantly.You never leave it out of your hands for a second.
 
Kathi said:
Estacasy is very common now in public bars.When my daughter would go out with friends she said that she had to watch her drink constantly.You never leave it out of your hands for a second.
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i know but the fact is that doesn't negate the definition of consent under the law. i understand the point but here is funny thing. how many men and woman marry while under the influence and are drunk and get lawfully married. my bil did that and is still married to that lady.

it should be changed to not to being able to sing a contract while not sober nor lucid(which is a law already).
 
Kathi said:
You mean like what we have been reading on the news.Taking kids and using them for sex trafficking?
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No. I not talking about pedophiles although the psychology is very similar.
With the abuser of adults there is also a strong component of power over another adult, male or female. It is the same with verbal abusers, they enjoy doing it. They are sadistic and get pleasure from those behaviors.
 
Deborah13 said:
No. I not talking about pedophiles although the psychology is very similar.
With the abuser of adults there is also a strong component of power over another adult, male or female. It is the same with verbal abusers, they enjoy doing it. They are sadistic and get pleasure from those behaviors.
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ok, pedophiles and their victim.
 
Deborah13 said:
No. I not talking about pedophiles although the psychology is very similar.
With the abuser of adults there is also a strong component of power over another adult, male or female. It is the same with verbal abusers, they enjoy doing it. They are sadistic and get pleasure from those behaviors.
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Being a pedophile is an illness.It is very tragic for everyone involved.They need help.
 
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