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Is Gay 'Love' Real?

theLords said:
Then you need to ask Him. Don't stop praying until you get an answer.
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Yep, he'll probably give me one soon ... ;) ...

*EDIT* Actually the answer is God is the Judge but in the meantime I'd still like to hear from those who may know ....
 
lamplady said:
But I'm talking about LOVE ... how was that article related??? ...
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in an another thread that stuff was discussed as the acts are out in the OPEN!!

uh christempowered.keep reading the word.

God takes that attraction and changes you.

lamplady. being bi Doesnt mean you choose shut off the same sex attraction or the hetero

just which one to act on.

God took the same sex attraction from me.

it was always there ,till i repented. i noticed boys at age 10.

God is able to heal gays. its that simple christempowered is getting just that.

he just stated that he is noticing the ladies.
 
Christ_empowered said:
As a guy who struggles with same-sex attraction and has decided to try to live as a Christian, the only real solution I've been able to come up with is celibacy plus biblically-and socially-acceptable same-sex friendships.

I've found that although I'm still attracted to other dudes, its not as intense as it once was. I've also (weirdly enough) started noticing the ladies more, which may be an individual quirk more than anything else...could also be temporary, who knows?

Anyway, even though I'm not Catholic, I like the Catholic approach to homosexuality that emphasizes the responsibility of the believer to accept the urges as a sort of "thorn in the flesh" and continue on in celibacy. For me personally, that's a much more realistic and reasonable solution that trying to "fix" the homosexuality and then getting married.
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Well done man. I think it's excellent what you are doing. Blessings from me for your continued walk.

Any dates with chicks on the horizon?
 
lamplady said:
Glad that works for you but should anyone be 'struggling' like that?

This sooo sounds like I'm for all things gay but really I am just trying to see how real the love is and if it's acceptable with God.

If it's REAL LOVE then it seems to me it's like dangling chocolate in front of a dieter for the rest of his or her life. I should imagine that at some time or other they're going to give in ... idk ...
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Define 'love' lamplady.

Gimme some adjectives that descibe that emotion please.
 
Strangelove said:
Define 'love' lamplady.

Gimme some adjectives that descibe that emotion please.
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All this:

—Synonyms
1. tenderness, fondness, predilection, warmth, passion, adoration. 1, 2. Love, affection, devotion all mean a deep and enduring emotional regard, usually for another person. Love may apply to various kinds of regard: the charity of the Creator, reverent adoration toward God or toward a person, the relation of parent and child, the regard of friends for each other, romantic feelings for another person, etc. Affection is a fondness for others that is enduring and tender, but calm. Devotion is an intense love and steadfast, enduring loyalty to a person; it may also imply consecration to a cause. 2. liking, inclination, regard, friendliness. 15. like. 16. adore, adulate, worship.

but this in particular:

a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person.
 
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jasoncran said:
in an another thread that stuff was discussed as the acts are out in the OPEN!!

uh christempowered.keep reading the word.

God takes that attraction and changes you.

lamplady. being bi Doesnt mean you choose shut off the same sex attraction or the hetero

Yeah but then I might as well ask about a 'straight' person.

I asked about straight, (excuse the pun), up gays because I wanted to know if THIER love is real and if it's the same.

It seem to be emerging that it is which makes it confusing because I don't understand why then that SAME love can't be applied to a member of the opposite gender?


God is able to heal gays. its that simple christempowered is getting just that.

he just stated that he is noticing the ladies.
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lamplady said:
All this:

—Synonyms
1. tenderness, fondness, predilection, warmth, passion, adoration. 1, 2. Love, affection, devotion all mean a deep and enduring emotional regard, usually for another person. Love may apply to various kinds of regard: the charity of the Creator, reverent adoration toward God or toward a person, the relation of parent and child, the regard of friends for each other, romantic feelings for another person, etc. Affection is a fondness for others that is enduring and tender, but calm. Devotion is an intense love and steadfast, enduring loyalty to a person; it may also imply consecration to a cause. 2. liking, inclination, regard, friendliness. 15. like. 16. adore, adulate, worship.

but this is what I mean in particular:

a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person.
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So why would you be concerned about anyone, gay or not, 'giving in' to those kinds of emotions?

They have nothing to do with sexual acts.
 
lamplady said:
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a hetero cant be homosexual.

one cant make oneself like the same sex.

with me i just started noticing boy then later men. i never feed that till later.When you feed it grows.

the feeding part is what dangerous.

we all have proclivities to sin. its not sin to have the temptations but to feed them is..

through the power of christ we can overcome that.

he can and does give you the power to stop looking or wanting that stuff. i was set free by that power.

its not like i choose to all of sudden like men. it happened when i was watching a boy play bball. i noticed his figure and tried to ignore ,each time i saw him the more i found it tempting.

i just kept those to myself.

if i feed that then i would have acted on them sooner or later.

why do you think bi's are one that go from desire to the other?

its not like that at all! they have both, and choose which orientation they will be with, and ignore the other. But dont think that they other side they dont look at.

fergie of the group black eyed peas is bi and she has talked about that.she is married to a man and was interested in a lesbian on the side and sought advise from her shrink and was adviced not to act on that as that would be cheating!
 
Strangelove said:
So why would you be concerned about anyone, gay or not, 'giving in' to those kinds of emotions?

They have nothing to do with sexual acts.
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Because I assume it's that attraction or 'love' that keeps them to the same gender ...
 
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Strangelove said:
'Romantic love' is the showoff shallow cheesy exchange that courting couples have between eachother and that some couples carry on into their marriage in the vain hope that they can convince themselves that they are still young. It's the flowers, the birthdays, the dinner dates, the jewelery...all the showy material stuff.

You'll notice most married couples leave all that alone once they get into the swing of what a marriage is really about. Trust, commitment, responsibility, kids, teamwork etc.
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It must be soul crushingly sad to be you.

The two concepts of Love and Physical attraction are indeed separate but also intertwined to create a romantic loving desire for each other it is that combination and leads you to want to be deeply intimate with someone you romantically love.

Yes it is very real, With all the pain and joy as a heterosexual kind of love.
If you've not experienced it and your christian innately trained to feel revulsion at your own sexuality, It must be very difficult for you to comprehend. and I don't blame you about begin aprehensive regarding the concept.

This bugs me about Christianity and the dogma around it as I've witnessed everywhere.
Sexual desires we feel are as innate to us as hunger for food it's a deep creature instinct that cannot simply be overcome or changed, and likewise everyone has preferences of foodstuff.

And equally there are healthy and unhealthy eating habits that individuals can develop and possess. Some of which are.

Obesity those who can't resist there impulse to eat will continually indulge themselves gorge themselves until they are incapacitated but still can't bring themselves to stop even when death is imminent through heart attack or diabetes.

Anorexia those who starve themselves feel incredible guilt when they do eat, possess ideas that food should never be enjoyed and is something to be escaped. They won't eat and continue to diet even when they are minutes from death.

honestly I look at Christianity and all too frequently I feel that you have an Anorexic attitude towards towards your sexuality. The idea that it's always wrong to take any pleasure from your sex life, that it must only be done to the bare minimum to keep life going. And if Gay sex was an analogy to eating a greasy cheeseburger you can't as 'anorexics' imagine any healthy person wanting to eat and desire that.

I'm not saying that you should go the opposite way and become nymphomaniacs But it wouldn't hurt you to be abit more true to yourself and the way god did indeed build you.
Because if he gave you hunger and thirst then he also gave you sexual libido too.
 
Pebbles said:
It must be soul crushingly sad to be you.
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Nope. I'm a very happy guy. The wife is happy too. She hates all that shmoozy romantic rubbish. We're just realistic.

Pebbles said:
The two concepts of Love and Physical attraction are indeed separate but also intertwined to create a romantic loving desire for each other it is that combination and leads you to want to be deeply intimate with someone you romantically love.
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Ya...thats the illusion that messes peoples heads up. Constantly searching for a soul mate that you have 'chemistry' with. Whereas what you actually need to do is just find a girl with a nice smile who is trustworthy. If love doesn't flourish between you then your doing something wrong.
 
Strangelove said:
Ya...thats the illusion that messes peoples heads up. Constantly searching for a soul mate that you have 'chemistry' with. Whereas what you actually need to do is just find a girl with a nice smile who is trustworthy. If love doesn't flourish between you then your doing something wrong.
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You think it irrelevant that you ought to have shared interests, Shared values, compliment each others personality well.

How can you have a relationship with someone you can hardly speak or relate to? :/ I don't think that makes me a floosy woozy girl with unrealistic dreams of romance.

Well I guess we all have our own ideas of what it's supposed to feel like to be in love :| yours are very strange to me.
 
Pebbles said:
You think it irrelevant that you ought to have shared interests, Shared values, compliment each others personality well.

How can you have a relationship with someone you can hardly speak or relate to? :/ I don't think that makes me a floosy woozy girl with unrealistic dreams of romance.

Well I guess we all have our own ideas of what it's supposed to feel like to be in love :| yours are very strange to me.
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I'm guessing your quite young and have very little worldly and relational experience.

You'll learn what's important in a partner. And it's not their intersts. Lolz.
 
Christ_empowered said:
As a guy who struggles with same-sex attraction and has decided to try to live as a Christian, the only real solution I've been able to come up with is celibacy plus biblically-and socially-acceptable same-sex friendships.

I've found that although I'm still attracted to other dudes, its not as intense as it once was. I've also (weirdly enough) started noticing the ladies more, which may be an individual quirk more than anything else...could also be temporary, who knows?

Anyway, even though I'm not Catholic, I like the Catholic approach to homosexuality that emphasizes the responsibility of the believer to accept the urges as a sort of "thorn in the flesh" and continue on in celibacy. For me personally, that's a much more realistic and reasonable solution that trying to "fix" the homosexuality and then getting married.
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Thank you for your honesty and for sharing that with us. I'm not sure why you were ever attracted to the guys, but don't under estimate your attraction to the ladies ;)
 
Strangelove said:
I'm guessing your quite young and have very little worldly and relational experience.

You'll learn what's important in a partner. And it's not their intersts. Lolz.
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Strangelove,
With all due respect, I'd like to state that romantic love, to a degree can be very subjective. I'd also like to add that there was a time in my younger years that my understanding wasn't much off from yours. But as I've grown, and as God has blessed our marriage, I can say that I've become more 'romantic' as I've learned, and am learning to meet the needs of my wife.

Women are not like men and have different needs. Men don't think like women and women don't think like men as we each have different languages because we each have different innate needs.

This is why the Bible tells women to respect their husbands and the men are told to love their wives. You see, men speak a language of respect and women speak a language of love. God does not have to tell the men to respect their wives, because it's our natural love language to do so. So, we need to learn to speak their language, which is love... and they need to learn our language, which is respect.

So, while you are describing a masculine view of what love may be, know that you're own wife desires the romance you may have once shared...
 
Pebbles said:
It must be soul crushingly sad to be you.

The two concepts of Love and Physical attraction are indeed separate but also intertwined to create a romantic loving desire for each other it is that combination and leads you to want to be deeply intimate with someone you romantically love.

Yes it is very real, With all the pain and joy as a heterosexual kind of love.
If you've not experienced it and your christian innately trained to feel revulsion at your own sexuality, It must be very difficult for you to comprehend. and I don't blame you about begin aprehensive regarding the concept.

This bugs me about Christianity and the dogma around it as I've witnessed everywhere.
Sexual desires we feel are as innate to us as hunger for food it's a deep creature instinct that cannot simply be overcome or changed, and likewise everyone has preferences of foodstuff.

But we're talking about love

And equally there are healthy and unhealthy eating habits that individuals can develop and possess. Some of which are.

Obesity those who can't resist there impulse to eat will continually indulge themselves gorge themselves until they are incapacitated but still can't bring themselves to stop even when death is imminent through heart attack or diabetes.

Anorexia those who starve themselves feel incredible guilt when they do eat, possess ideas that food should never be enjoyed and is something to be escaped. They won't eat and continue to diet even when they are minutes from death.

honestly I look at Christianity and all too frequently I feel that you have an Anorexic attitude towards towards your sexuality. The idea that it's always wrong to take any pleasure from your sex life, that it must only be done to the bare minimum to keep life going. And if Gay sex was an analogy to eating a greasy cheeseburger you can't as 'anorexics' imagine any healthy person wanting to eat and desire that.

I'm not saying that you should go the opposite way and become nymphomaniacs But it wouldn't hurt you to be abit more true to yourself and the way god did indeed build you.
Because if he gave you hunger and thirst then he also gave you sexual libido too.
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As Christians we're told gay acts are wrong. If God says it is then it is. But that's not what this thread is about. It's whether the love gays claim they have is real, (but tbh I've yet to hear a gay declare any love; whenever I do hear talk it's usually on the telly and all they ever seem to go on about IS the acts; but that could be just me and I don't know of any gay to speak to to have that kind of conversation), and if that love is sanctioned by God.
 
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