Is Gay 'Love' Real?

[handy]

Experience with family members and "shirt-tail relatives" (my brother-in-law's brother and partner) I believe that gays can have just as profound and long lasting loving relationships as heteros. My b-i-l's brother and partner have been together now for over 30 years. My great uncle was with his partner for almost 20 and my deceased brother-in-law and his partner remained faithful to each other until his partner died and then he died of AIDS. They were only together for a few years, but that kind of illness and stress can certainly break up a relationship.

I think the key is how much acceptance each individual within the couple as well as their union gets from family and friends. If an individual feels that they must be someone they are not, must keep who they are a secret, I can see how that would impact the ability to establish a long-lasting relationship, with anyone, not just glbt's.

 

[Strangelove]

Theres no such thing as romantic love. It's an illusion.

Theres only one real love.

 

[lamplady]

Yes the love between gays is real, it is as real as a man and womans love. It is just wrong that's all.

Then what are they suppose to do? I'm not advocating 'gayness' but supposing someone declared hetero love wrong? What should we do? If gay love is as real as heteros then isn't it impossible to tell them to stop loving?

Is there anything in the bible about this?

It's clear Jesus loved men - how was it demonstrated? Was it the same way as what a person today would label as 'gay' love but without the 'acts'?

If the 'love' is real wouldn't it lead to the 'acts'? Now not everything natural is good for us but is everything good for us natural?






Please don't lock this thread, (I'll only start a new one lol), - just delete any offending post if need be. The thread is mainly about about 'love' not the 'acts', (although if the 'love' is real then it might gear towards the 'acts' but hopefully not overtly so).

 

[lamplady]

Theres no such thing as romantic love. It's an illusion.

Then what would you call what is usually termed as 'love' between a man and a woman?

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[Strangelove]

It's clear Jesus loved men - how was it demonstrated? Was it the same way as what a person today would label as 'gay' love but without the 'acts'?

Exactly....and without the physical attraction / desire.

Love is love. There only one love.

Everything else is of the world. Of flesh.

 

[Strangelove]

Then what would you call what is usually termed as 'love' between a man and a woman?

Love.

 

[lamplady]

Exactly....and without the physical attraction / desire.

Surely in order to love someone/something there has to be SOMETHING there? Even if you cancel out desire - surely SOME SORT of ATTRACTION would HAVE to be there in order for you to connect?

Love is love. There only one love.

I always say that - but then one could apply that to mean that 'gay' 'love' is allowed. But I usually say it to mean if love is love then surely a 'gay' man can love a woman, same with 'gay' women.


Everything else is of the world. Of flesh.

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[jasoncran]

Love.

i love my dog , does that mean i should marry it?

i know what you mean but the type of love such as eros is normal.

and it is a part of a marriage. if not you got problems.
my wife still does that for me. and will do so for a long time.

why do some think that God is agianst the act of sex?

 

[Strangelove]

i love my dog , does that mean i should marry it?

i know what you mean but the type of love such as eros is normal.

and it is a part of a marriage. if not you got problems.
my wife still does that for me. and will do so for a long time.

why do some think that God is agianst the act of sex?

LOlz...yes Jason....it means you should marry your dog.

What are you talking about??

 

[Strangelove]

Surely in order to love someone/something there has to be SOMETHING there? Even if you cancel out desire - surely SOME SORT of ATTRACTION would HAVE to be there in order for you to connect?

Is love not 'something'?

Is Jason attracted to his dog?

I always say that - but then one could apply that to mean that 'gay' 'love' is allowed. But I usually say it to mean if love is love then surely a 'gay' man can love a woman, same with 'gay' women.

Gay love is allowed. Why not? The love part is the mental act of caring..trusting etc.

The gay person can love his father...brother...dog....and also his partner. Theres nothing wrong with that. Love is love is love.

When they start partaking in sexual relations thats deviency and should be frowned upon and discouraged.

Romantic love is something completely different. It's a false, fleshy illusion made up by advertising bigwigs to sell diamonds and roses.

 

[jasoncran]

LOlz...yes Jason....it means you should marry your dog.

What are you talking about??

you called love a flesh thing that being in love doesnt include physical attraction. that i disagree with.
i met my wife and starting to her cause i found her attractive and still do even both of us have gained some weight.

our society puts too much emphasis on the sex part.

eros is that sex part and romantic love.

phileo is the brotherly love
storge is the parental love
agapao is the unconditional love from god to men.

 

[Strangelove]

you called love a flesh thing that being in love doesnt include physical attraction. that i disagree with.
i met my wife and starting to her cause i found her attractive and still do even both of us have gained some weight.

I'm saying sex (and romantic leanings) is a flesh thing.

Love is something different.

our society puts too much emphasis on the sex part.

eros is that sex part and romantic love.

phileo is the brotherly love
storge is the parental love
agapao is the unconditional love from god to men.

If the Bible has different words for love then it's probably describing the same love but in different intensity. Thats what I think. Feel free to correct me as I'm not sure on those words.

 

[jasoncran]

romantic. what really.

so we just well have sex with our wives without telling them we love them and pamper them? really?

that wont fly. no hugs, kisses,pecks, and cards.

if i did that i wouldnt be married long. romantic love is the initail part of that courtship and doesnt have to stop once married.

lol.
only men would say that is what some women would say.

woman want that affection. so do men. we just dont like to admit that.

 

[jasoncran]

hello! god created created the penis and vagina for use and pleasure along with proccreation.

nowhere in the bible does it say that we have to sex only for kids. just that it has to be in the marriage bed tween man and woman.

trust me i'm sure adam smiled when he first saw eve. i would if i was adam.

 

[lamplady]

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Is love not 'something'?

Is Jason attracted to his dog?



Gay love is allowed. Why not? The love part is the mental act of caring..trusting etc.

The gay person can love his father...brother...dog....and also his partner. Theres nothing wrong with that. Love is love is love.

When they start partaking in sexual relations thats deviency and should be frowned upon and discouraged.

Well then I repeat if their love is real then why can't their 'acts' be allowed? Or rather how can they stop the acts if they feel the love that they do?

Romantic love is something completely different. It's a false, fleshy illusion made up by advertising bigwigs to sell diamonds and roses.

I think you'd have to explain what you mean by 'romantic love'.

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[jasoncran]

lamplady why does is that wrong for men to love man like a woman.

first god says that it is.

second the devil makes counterfiet loves so them men are robbed.

for instance sex.
god says sex in marriage
satan says sex when you want with whom you want.

the later will feel the same to the persons but it isnt right.

keep in mind that hormonally the reaction to the act of sex is very similiar(tween men and woman) and the chemicals realesed in the brain is also similiar.

lamplady later tonight i will pm you on this and expound on my storie far more.

 

[Strangelove]

Well then I repeat if their love is real then why can't their 'acts' be allowed? Or rather how can they stop the acts if they feel the love that they do?

Because ACTS is one thing and LOVE is a different thing. 2 seperate things. The love has got nothing to do with being gay. It's just love.

I think you'd have to explain what you mean by 'romantic love'.

'Romantic love' is the showoff shallow cheesy exchange that courting couples have between eachother and that some couples carry on into their marriage in the vain hope that they can convince themselves that they are still young. It's the flowers, the birthdays, the dinner dates, the jewelery...all the showy material stuff.

You'll notice most married couples leave all that alone once they get into the swing of what a marriage is really about. Trust, commitment, responsibility, kids, teamwork etc.

 

[jasoncran]

who says that. i know some that do both.

are commited but still do some romantic things.

it doenst have to be a diamond. a simple card on the anniversary will do if you cant afford to go out.

if you can afford the pampering so what? by all means surely your wife is worth that.

its the thought not the gift.

 

[lamplady]

lamplady why does is that wrong for men to love man like a woman.

first god says that it is.

Is there a verse or passage explaining that? I'd be grateful if you could post it up.
If by 'men to love man like a woman' you mean the 'acts' I'm in agreement with you as the bible says that it is wrong.

second the devil makes counterfiet loves so them men are robbed.

That's a good point

for instance sex.
god says sex in marriage
satan says sex when you want with whom you want.

the later will feel the same to the persons but it isnt right.

But I'm talking about LOVE

keep in mind that hormonally the reaction to the act of sex is very similiar(tween men and woman) and the chemicals realesed in the brain is also similiar.

lamplady later tonight i will pm you on this and expound on my storie far more.

ok

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[Mike]

Remember, any mention of graphic sex acts whether hetero or homo will be subject to edit, delete and/or Warning. It's fine since my last post, but I don't want to see it increase. Remember - public, Christian, open to people of all ages to view.

Just a reminder, because members have been keeping it clean. Just want to keep it that way. :yes