Is God Immutable?

[Jim Parker]

He can't forget.

Isa 43:25 (NKJV) I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake; And I will not remember your sins.
That doesn't mean God forgets but it says He will not bring them to remembrance.
That's a slightly different thing.

iakov the fool



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[smaller]

That's a straw man. I said nothing of the sort.

Sure you did. You tried to equate God with something in His creation. Sin. IS God 'the same as" any "thing" in creation? Never. So why even start with that basis for a comparison? We have "zero" created things that we can say are God in any way to start with.

You say God uses lies against liars but provide not one example. Not one! That's what is distortion.

I suppose that claim can be ignored if we toss aside the scripture cited for it, which you apparently did without a second thought.

God uses evil against evil, you say. Again, not one example given by you. Evidence is lacking.

Are you seriously going to say God did not employ evil in the O.T. in retributive fashions? Perhaps we are reading different Bibles?

Joshua 23:15
Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the Lord your God promised you; so shall the Lord bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you.

Jeremiah 25:29
For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name,

I could go on, but not believing even one of the above won't cause anyone to believe any of them in rejection of His Words.

Could it be that are confusing judgment that God sends with God creating evil?

I suppose it could if we rubbed out the term EVIL that the Lord brought and called it something other than what the scriptures state.

You don't seem to be able to read the Bible clearly. God DID NOT create 'a world filled with sinners'.

I'm familiar with the refrain that God has NOTHING to do with His Own creation. Needless to say I don't believe that for nanosecond and consider all such claims as essentially Godless.

 

[smaller]

That, IMHO, is a good example of God allowing an apostate person have exactly what he demands to be given. Ahab appointed those prophets to serve in his court specifically to tell him what he wanted to hear.

iakov the fool

Be careful with your slurs. You know full well your sect considers any believers who disagree with your sects sole determinations only, openly and knowingly, as apostate, so your jaded sect colors are leaking through your religious cloth in that slur to every believer here who doesn't fly your sect flag. It's the reason they don't allow your sect(s) to speak here, because of that lurker slur.

 

[OzSpen]

That, IMHO, is a good example of God allowing an apostate person have exactly what he demands to be given. Ahab appointed those prophets to serve in his court specifically to tell him what he wanted to hear.

iakov the fool

Yep!:amen

 

[smaller]

Here's an example of something similar to that. ---

God uses "evil" pedagogically as when a father disciplines (spanks) a child who disobeys and does something that puts his life in danger. (like running out into the street after having been warned several times) The person being disciplined (taught a lesson) perceives his experience as "evil," but it is the hand of the Father lovingly applying discipline so that the child will live.
IMHO

iakov the fool

Pedagogically? Like this?

2 Sam. 12:
11 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

A little spanking you say? I'd say it speaks to direct actions of evil brought in retribution by God Himself.

It only amazes me how religious people overlook and excuse God from being involved when we have direct statements of fact to the contrary.

 

[OzSpen]

I'm familiar with the refrain that God has NOTHING to do with His Own creation. Needless to say I don't believe that for nanosecond and consider all such claims as essentially Godless.

That is NOT what I stated. I said, 'You don't seem to be able to read the Bible clearly. God DID NOT create "a world filled with sinners"'. God created a world that was 'very good' and sin came from 2 human beings who used their freewill and sinned.

God did not create sinners. He created 2 good human beings with the potential to obey God and the potential to disobey God (and sin). They chose to sin. Do you get it? God did not create sinners but gave 2 good human beings the opportunity to sin or not sin (Gen 2-3 ESV). They chose to disobey and sin. Sin then came to the whole human race through one man's [Adam's] sin (Rom 5:12 ESV).

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

That is an Atheist's question and is akin to can God create a rock He cannot move? We do not and we are not able to know the whole mind of God any more than we can explain all about three distinct persons can be one God.

I agree. But we do know some information about what God cannot do and he has revealed that in Scripture. I provided some biblical evidence.

 

[smaller]

That is NOT what I stated. I said, 'You don't seem to be able to read the Bible clearly. God DID NOT create "a world filled with sinners"'. God created a world that was 'very good' and sin came from 2 human beings who uses their freewill and sinned.

You and I differ substantially on this subject. God is not extracted and isolated from a single matter that goes on in His Own creation and is directly implicated in ALL THINGS that existed then, exist now or ever will exist in His creation.

Your attempts to isolate and carve out God away from the pictures of reality are in my opinion, quite entirely Godless and void of His Hands upon "all things."

God did not create sinners. He created 2 human beings with the potential to obey God and the potential to disobey God (and sin).

God created the knowledge of evil and planted it in the Garden along with the tempter deceiver HE also created and the flesh in which that sin transpires.

To say God was void from a single thing or action, that He didn't know what was going to happen, that He had NO involvement in the Garden is a complete and utter fabrication of imaginations.

We can do the dance about these matters all day long, but one thing you can not do legitimately, scripturally, is extract The Creators Hands from His Own creation. That is Godless.

Colossians 1:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

There are no exceptions.

 

[Jim Parker]

Be careful with your slurs. You know full well your sect considers any believers who disagree with your sects sole determinations only, openly and knowingly, as apostate, so your jaded sect colors are leaking through your religious cloth in that slur to every believer here who doesn't fly your sect flag. It's the reason they don't allow your sect(s) to speak here, because of that lurker slur.

Could you be any more disrespectful, ugly and obnoxious in your religious bigotry?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Well...
Actually it's a disingenuous question of unequal things. IE: What does the color blue taste like?
There are a lot of things God can't do...
He can't forget.
He can't sin.
He can't take orders or be forced into things.
He won't force people to Love Him.
He won't act contrary to what is in our best interests.
He won't go back on promises.

God cannot be bad because God is infinitely busy being good.

Amen!

 

[smaller]

Could you be any more disrespectful, ugly and obnoxious in your religious bigotry?

I know what's behind the curtain. And so do you. So let's not kid ourselves.

 

[Jim Parker]

I'm familiar with the refrain that God has NOTHING to do with His Own creation. Needless to say I don't believe that for nanosecond and consider all such claims as essentially Godless.

Yeah.
Nobody said that.

 

[th1b.taylor]

You and I differ substantially on this subject. God is not extracted and isolated from a single matter that goes on in His Own creation and is directly implicated in ALL THINGS that existed then, exist now or ever will exist in His creation.

Your attempts to isolate and carve out God away from the pictures of reality are in my opinion, quite entirely Godless and void of His Hands upon "all things."


God created the knowledge of evil and planted it in the Garden along with the tempter deceiver HE also created and the flesh in which that sin transpires.

To say God was void from a single thing or action, that He didn't know what was going to happen, that He had NO involvement in the Garden is a complete and utter fabrication of imaginations.

We can do the dance about these matters all day long, but one thing you can not do legitimately, scripturally, is extract The Creators Hands from His Own creation. That is Godless.

Colossians 1:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

There are no exceptions.

Go ahead and PRAISE GOD!

 

[smaller]

Yeah.
Nobody said that.

You were accurate to this extent: "God uses evil."

 

[smaller]

Go ahead and PRAISE GOD!

God can use any thing and have a completely PERFECT OUTCOME. That's how GREAT our GOD IS!

And yeah, I'll shout about that all the way to my end.

 

[Brother Mike]

God is sovereign. God exists outside His creation of time and space, and outside the abilities of our very limited language to give definition to His nature.

Could you post that scripture that says God is Sovereign and exists outside of His Creation of time and space. I can't seem to find it in my bible. Also, does not tongues Paul called praying in the Spirit (with spirit) extend outside our natural understanding and limited language?

 

[th1b.taylor]

There is Duet. 4:39, Psa 121:2, Acts 17:24, Psa 46:5, Eze 1:26 and there are 66 in all I believe.

 

[OzSpen]

You and I differ substantially on this subject. God is not extracted and isolated from a single matter that goes on in His Own creation and is directly implicated in ALL THINGS that existed then, exist now or ever will exist in His creation.

Your attempts to isolate and carve out God away from the pictures of reality are in my opinion, quite entirely Godless and void of His Hands upon "all things."

God created the knowledge of evil and planted it in the Garden along with the tempter deceiver HE also created and the flesh in which that sin transpires.

To say God was void from a single thing or action, that He didn't know what was going to happen, that He had NO involvement in the Garden is a complete and utter fabrication of imaginations.

We can do the dance about these matters all day long, but one thing you can not do legitimately, scripturally, is extract The Creators Hands from His Own creation. That is Godless.

Colossians 1:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

There are no exceptions.

God did NOT create sinners in the beginning, as I've shown you biblically.

Bye,
Oz

 

[smaller]

God did NOT create sinners in the beginning, as I've shown you biblically.

Bye,
Oz

Wave your hand at this scriptural reality then Oz. The dead horse your positions are beating is your own positions version of god.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[smaller]

Could you post that scripture that says God is Sovereign and exists outside of His Creation of time and space. I can't seem to find it in my bible. Also, does not tongues Paul called praying in the Spirit (with spirit) extend outside our natural understanding and limited language?

God bows to no thing. Not time. Not space.

All things are of Him, by Him and for Him. It never works the other way around, ever.

Rev. 12:4