Is God Immutable?

[JohnDB]

I'm sorry LTD
I reread my post no.75 I added the word " not" for the son of man.
Please remove the word not. Jesus IS also the son of man as you correctly state.

The expression "son of man" is a Hebrew word play and an old expression of use by the Chaldeans (Babylonians) describing a Deity.

Son and seed in Hebrew are interchangeable...same word. "Zera".

As from The Fall forward mankind has been looking for the "Seed of the Woman" that was going to bring peace between man and God. At various times different people were promised to have the legacy of the Seed in their lineage following. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, and finally David. Galatians 3:16.
Seed of the Woman is a direct reference. Seed of Man is backhanded saying the same. The word for Adam and man... again the same word in Hebrew...a reference to Abel perhaps?

Either way...a multi level word play.

 

[reba]

sheesh no like button

 

[JohnDB]

sheesh no like button

Now you are going to have to QUOTE something to explain this.

 

[reba]

:tongue

 

[Brother Mike]

I disagree. I believe Mary's egg was fertilized by the Holy Spirit. He is the Christ, Son of Man/Son of God.

The scripture I quoted earlier says, "the man, Christ Jesus". He's not man also?

The wedding in Cana. He said it wasn't his time and then did it. John 2:4-8

Glad to see someone who studies. Jesus did have flesh, born of the Word, but what God spoke. "This day a child is born" fulfilled and that word God spoke become flesh, a reality. Jesus was actually the Son of God (God) in a flesh body and shared also the emotional and issues having a flesh body. He could be tempted, our Father can not be tempted.

Psa_2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Act_13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Jesus did no miracles before He received the Holy Spirit, in power, but the Holy Spirit was with him at birth.

So, Jesus had to operate, get folks healed, and so on just like we do, through the Promise of the Holy Spirit sent to us by the Father.

God changes his mind?
Many times. I have tons of scriptures to back that, but most should know their scriptures by now, so I'll spare you.

It's not written that Jesus ever changed his mind. He only did what His Father said do though. He said He was like the Father, so if given a situation where Mercy was concerned, I am sure He would choose Mercy, when He proclaimed judgement if someone repented.

Now we have a more sure Word of Prophecy. The written Word never changes, God never will change it or violate it. God never changes. However, a Word given to a person is just as sure "IF" the person does what God says do and walks in faith, and obedience.

After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
(Num 14:34)

God said he would forgive all all iniquities and heal all our diseases. That's a fact, it's written, and can not be changed. God will never change that, and is faithful to forgive us our sins, and Heal us.

IF God said, I have called you a Pastor, go here. Well, if you don't go where your told, then that promise of being called A Pastor is in Jeopardy. If you do what He says do though, it's a sure thing.

God does not change, but His Mercy endures forever and thank God our heart can change toward him and He will relent his anger and restore our life. The wicked who fear not God, have a different outcome.

Blessings.

 

[reba]

I'm sorry LTD
I reread my post no.75 I added the word " not" for the son of man.
Please remove the word not. Jesus IS also the son of man as you correctly state.

Wonderings" post was clear clean and simple ... that was my like

 

[chessman]

Psa_2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Psalm 2:12 (LEB) Kiss the Son lest he be angry and you perish on the way, for his anger burns quickly. Blessed are all who take refuge in him [the Son].​

 

[smaller]

Jesus was actually the Son of God (God) in a flesh body and shared also the emotional and issues having a flesh body. He could be tempted,

Maybe you could define what you think this means.

 

[Brother Mike]

Maybe you could define what you think this means.

Someone started another Trinity thread "again" It might fall into that category of God not ever changing.

I don't believe Jesus was part man. He came from Heaven, put in a womb by the spoken word, had the Holy Spirit with Him at birth, remembered where He came from, describe how Heaven operates and what is there. He had a flesh body, had to operate like we do with the Power of the Holy Spirit, but was still fully the Son of God "God" in a flesh body.

In other words, He decided to take on a form as the Seed of Abraham and not some powerful being like an angel and became the son of man.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

He did not let temptation or emotion rule over his flesh, never sinned and did not walk as someone subject to the elements of this World. (Heb 2:17-18)

It's true, He did have to sort of start over in that He had to gain favor with God and man.
Luk 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

I believe He had to be transformed by the renewing of his mind or soul part to come in line with who He was by the Word. Which He studied hard even as a child.

So when someone says Jesus was part man, He was, but only because He took on the form of man. Still fully God though.

Mike.

 

[smaller]

Someone started another Trinity thread "again" It might fall into that category of God not ever changing.

I don't believe Jesus was part man. He came from Heaven, put in a womb by the spoken word, had the Holy Spirit with Him at birth, remembered where He came from, describe how Heaven operates and what is there. He had a flesh body, had to operate like we do with the Power of the Holy Spirit, but was still fully the Son of God "God" in a flesh body.

In other words, He decided to take on a form as the Seed of Abraham and not some powerful being like an angel and became the son of man.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

He did not let temptation or emotion rule over his flesh, never sinned and did not walk as someone subject to the elements of this World. (Heb 2:17-18)

It's true, He did have to sort of start over in that He had to gain favor with God and man.
Luk 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

I believe He had to be transformed by the renewing of his mind or soul part to come in line with who He was by the Word. Which He studied hard even as a child.

So when someone says Jesus was part man, He was, but only because He took on the form of man. Still fully God though.

Mike.

I was referring to this:

"He could be tempted"

 

[Brother Mike]

I was referring to this:

"He could be tempted"

it says he was tempted in all ways, but yet without sin. Not sure what your asking.
Seems we should have better things to do on a Saturday afternoon but type on some forum. sigh........

 

[smaller]

it says he was tempted in all ways, but yet without sin. Not sure what your asking.
Seems we should have better things to do on a Saturday afternoon but type on some forum. sigh........

I sometimes find interesting little tidbits behind these things. That's why I asked.

 

[Brother Mike]

I sometimes find interesting little tidbits behind these things. That's why I asked.

Ah, OK. Got it.

 

[Mustard Socks]

You and I differ substantially on this subject. God is not extracted and isolated from a single matter that goes on in His Own creation and is directly implicated in ALL THINGS that existed then, exist now or ever will exist in His creation.

Your attempts to isolate and carve out God away from the pictures of reality are in my opinion, quite entirely Godless and void of His Hands upon "all things."


God created the knowledge of evil and planted it in the Garden along with the tempter deceiver HE also created and the flesh in which that sin transpires.

To say God was void from a single thing or action, that He didn't know what was going to happen, that He had NO involvement in the Garden is a complete and utter fabrication of imaginations.

We can do the dance about these matters all day long, but one thing you can not do legitimately, scripturally, is extract The Creators Hands from His Own creation. That is Godless.

Colossians 1:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

There are no exceptions.

AMEN! Well said.

There are a lot of teachings today that go against the truth of God and his eternal word. Preach it brother! And be not afraid.

 

[Jim Parker]

Jesus did have flesh, born of the Word, but what God spoke. "This day a child is born" fulfilled and that word God spoke become flesh, a reality.

AAAAARRRGH!!! NO! (Just me going non-linear. Don't pay any heed.)

Jesus is not "the word God spoke" that became flesh.
Observe:
Jhn 1:1
(NKJV) In the beginning was the Word (LOGOS), and the Word (LOGOS) was with God, and the Word (LOGOS) was God.
And Jhn 1:14
(NKJV) And the Word (LOGOS) became flesh and dwelt among us,

The word LOGOS does not mean "words that God spoke."
The LOGOS is the 2nd person of the Trinity.
The word LOGOS refers to:
"The Logos of John is the real, personal God (1:1), the Word, who was originally before the creation with God, and was God, one in essence and nature, yet personally distinct (1:1, 18); the revealer and interpreter of the hidden being of God; the reflection and visible image of God, and the organ of all His manifestations to the world. Compare Hebrews 1:3. He made all things, proceeding personally from God for the accomplishment of the act of creation (1:3), and became man in the person of Jesus Christ, accomplishing the redemption of the world. Compare Philippians 2:6."
THE MEANING OF LOGOS IN JOHN http://www.bible-researcher.com/logos.html

It is LOGOS/God who became flesh as Christ Jesus of Nazareth, not God's words.

(OK! I feel better now.....)

iakov the fool

 

[Brother Mike]

AAAAARRRGH!!! NO! (Just me going non-linear. Don't pay any heed.)

Jesus is not "the word God spoke" that became flesh.
Observe:
Jhn 1:1
(NKJV) In the beginning was the Word (LOGOS), and the Word (LOGOS) was with God, and the Word (LOGOS) was God.
And Jhn 1:14
(NKJV) And the Word (LOGOS) became flesh and dwelt among us,

The word LOGOS does not mean "words that God spoke."
The LOGOS is the 2nd person of the Trinity.
The word LOGOS refers to:
"The Logos of John is the real, personal God (1:1), the Word, who was originally before the creation with God, and was God, one in essence and nature, yet personally distinct (1:1, 18); the revealer and interpreter of the hidden being of God; the reflection and visible image of God, and the organ of all His manifestations to the world. Compare Hebrews 1:3. He made all things, proceeding personally from God for the accomplishment of the act of creation (1:3), and became man in the person of Jesus Christ, accomplishing the redemption of the world. Compare Philippians 2:6."
THE MEANING OF LOGOS IN JOHN http://www.bible-researcher.com/logos.html

It is LOGOS/God who became flesh as Christ Jesus of Nazareth, not God's words.

(OK! I feel better now.....)

iakov the fool

I am not a RC fan, and Hence not a Trinity Fan. God spoke, this day a son is born, that word came to pass. The Oneness folks believe Jesus is the "Word" manifestation of God though. So, Jesus is the Word part of the God machine, when the Word simply came to pass.

Act_13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Anyway, not a oneness or modern trinity fan.

 

[Jim Parker]

I am not a RC fan, and Hence not a Trinity Fan.

The Trinity is not an RC invention.
Apparently you are not a theology or a history or a fact fan either.
There was no "RC" when the entire church came together in the 4th to at Nicaea and again at Constantinople to affirm that The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the three hypostases of the one God. They did so because of the spreading heresy of Arius who taught that the Son was a creature and the heresy of Macedonius who taught that the Holy Spirit was a power. (Just like the JWs teach today.)

And if you're not a "trinity fan" then you are not a Christian.
Christianity is Trinitarian.
All else is heresy or paganism or both.

jim

 

[Brother Mike]

The Trinity is not an RC invention.
Apparently you are not a theology or a history or a fact fan either.
There was no "RC" when the entire church came together in the 4th to at Nicaea and again at Constantinople to affirm that The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the three hypostases of the one God. They did so because of the spreading heresy of Arius who taught that the Son was a creature and the heresy of Macedonius who taught that the Holy Spirit was a power. (Just like the JWs teach today.)

And if you're not a "trinity fan" then you are not a Christian.
Christianity is Trinitarian.
All else is heresy or paganism or both.

jim

I said the Modern version of Trinity. The 325ad one is "OK"
However, lumping Jesus into a god system is not scriptural.

Jesus was with the Father before the earth was even made, has always been here. He is not His father though.

Joh_17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Rome adopted the Creed ..............OK..
If you ask the RC church, it started during the time of ACTS which is very suspect.

I am what you call scripture only, and every thing must match perfectly any doctrine or creed. Every scripture, and just one makes the whole thing suspect.

 

[Jim Parker]

I said the Modern version of Trinity. The 325ad one is "OK"
However, lumping Jesus into a god system is not scriptural.

There is only ONE Trinity "system." It's the one that they came up with at Nicaea and Constantinople.
They said Jesus is God.
If you disagree than you are not a Christian.
It's really that simple.

 

[Edward]

God's character is immutable but there was an instance or two in scripture where people were able to get God to change His mind on something. Does that count?