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Is God...sexist?

I would submit that the basic laws of physics underwent a change at a certain point. And that point is the fall of Adam in the garden. As Paul wrote:

Romans 8: 20
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.


IT sounds like the laws of thermodynamics (specifically the inability of entropy/corruption to decrease) was changed by God Himself. So how that affects carbon dating is a guess. But radioactive breakdown is part of entropy increasing.
That one was dodged.
Shall we try this?
Matthew 27:45 kjv
45. Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land.
50. Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53. And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Luke 23 is similar.

Where is the valley rent?

A little more scientific? Solar eclipse? Moon turned to blood?
Lunar eclipse?

eddif
 
Where is the valley rent?

A little more scientific? Solar eclipse? Moon turned to blood?
Lunar eclipse?
No evidence for any of this. Only supposed "evidence" (quoted in The Case for Christ) is an early Christian writer quoting from a pagan who mentioned the sky turned dark. The pagan (who explicitly interpreted it as a solar eclipse) was probably talking about a completely unrelated event, and the Christian misinterpreted him. We don't really know, but there's hardly enough to go on.
 
I would submit that the basic laws of physics underwent a change at a certain point. And that point is the fall of Adam in the garden. As Paul wrote:

Romans 8: 20
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.


IT sounds like the laws of thermodynamics (specifically the inability of entropy/corruption to decrease) was changed by God Himself. So how that affects carbon dating is a guess. But radioactive breakdown is part of entropy increasing.
Zechariah 14 is the valley.
How does day 4 of creation effect carbon 14 dating?
Days 1-3 could be millions of years ( day being dark and light period) till day 4 when we went on 24 hour days (solar and lunar clock).

eddif
 
Zechariah 14 is the valley.
How does day 4 of creation effect carbon 14 dating?
Days 1-3 could be millions of years ( day being dark and light period) till day 4 when we went on 24 hour days (solar and lunar clock).

eddif
But before day 4 there were no animals so that does not explain the fossil record.
 
Just a clarification question. Is it OK to assume that you really seek to know "Does God Discriminate?" and if so "Is it Evil for God to Discriminate?" (based on gender, race, sexual orientation, kind...whatever)
God created Male and Female in the beginning and forms the spirit of man within him. Every living soul belongs to Him.
No one loves more than the Father and no fault can be found in Him. His faithfulness endures forever. God does not do evil. He gives His Spirit to His Sons and Daughters. So why are you, who know evil, looking for fault in Him, that has no evil?
Why would you say that I was "looking for fault in Him"?
 
Based on your questions. Why are you asking them?

Whatever God does, no matter what man thinks, is righteous.
He's asking me what question I am seeking to have answered.
Interesting that you'd be disturbed when a Christian just asks even for clarification.
 
Based on your questions. Why are you asking them?

Whatever God does, no matter what man thinks, is righteous.
Yes. God is righteous no matter whether man feels he needs to step in and adjudicate.
Sad Michael Scott GIF


You seem to have stumbled into the middle of an A/B conversation.
 
I think he's talking to me. That's OK, I have many faults but at least I don't say that women should marry their rapists (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) and should be quiet in church (1 Corinthians 14:34, 1 Timothy 2:11-15). That's God. :)

As you may have read in a response to anther fellow seeker D-D-W ( in which he provides a good answer (from a believer viewpoint), I think to run down the list of perceived offenses that you have provided for us would be futile since I think the answers lie somewhere in the underlying root issues and not the individual grievances which arise as a result of the rejection of one of those foundational matters.
"What is Truth?"​
"Does Truth Exist"​
"Is God reliable?"​
and possibility - "What constitutes Evil?"

On a side note, I don't know how anyone one person keeps track of so many irons in the fire (threads). You keep yourself pretty busy on here. :clap

That's God. :)
Nope, that's just your creation. Glad you didn't create everything else.:)
 
As you may have read in a response to anther fellow seeker D-D-W ( in which he provides a good answer (from a believer viewpoint), I think to run down the list of perceived offenses that you have provided for us would be futile since I think the answers lie somewhere in the underlying root issues and not the individual grievances which arise as a result of the rejection of one of those foundational matters.
"What is Truth?"​
"Does Truth Exist"​
"Is God reliable?"​
and possibility - "What constitutes Evil?"

On a side note, I don't know how anyone one person keeps track of so many irons in the fire (threads). You keep yourself pretty busy on here. :clap


Nope, that's just your creation. Glad you didn't create everything else.:)
1) It does have underlying issues. These passages all show a common theme. 2) Yes, well, I just check the website regularly and read and respond to most notification that address me at all. 3) Not my creation. It's the creation of the biblical authors.
 
Where is the valley rent?
There is a major fault line running north-south just east of Jerusalem. It roughly follows the Jordan River.
A little more scientific? Solar eclipse? Moon turned to blood? Lunar eclipse?
I was taught as a kid that the darkness was from a solar eclipse. However, that sunday school teacher did not understand that Passover (and good friday/easter) MUST fall on a full moon, which means a solar eclipse was impossible. And no eclipse lasts 3 hours in totality.
 
There is a major fault line running north-south just east of Jerusalem. It roughly follows the Jordan River.

I was taught as a kid that the darkness was from a solar eclipse. However, that sunday school teacher did not understand that Passover (and good friday/easter) MUST fall on a full moon, which means a solar eclipse was impossible. And no eclipse lasts 3 hours in totality.
Joshua 10:12 kjv
12. Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

I can hear (disputed passage) from some.

Is there any tie in here? Looking for deliverance passages with supernatural events. The death of Jesus delivered us from sin.

eddif
 
Joshua 10:12 kjv
12. Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

I can hear (disputed passage) from some.

Is there any tie in here? Looking for deliverance passages with supernatural events. The death of Jesus delivered us from sin.

eddif
Isaiah 53:5 kjv
5. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

If the creator suffered would not the creation respond? Jesus was abandoned by his disciples.

D-D-W you started this search in post # 56

Matthew 21:46 kjv
46. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

The light of the world has died. Where is the light?

eddif
 
Is God Sexist ?
The Roman spear probably exposed a rib.
Women are starting to be more in ministry after that happened.

We get to the heart of the matter when blood and water came out.

Neither male nor female, bond nor free, Jew nor gentile.
All are one in Christ Jesus.

Born again is more than about male and female.

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I think he's talking to me. That's OK, I have many faults but at least I don't say that women should marry their rapists (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) and should be quiet in church (1 Corinthians 14:34, 1 Timothy 2:11-15). That's God. :)
As far as Deuteronomy 22:28-29, it’s not that cut and dry. You can’t just pull one verse out and interpret it on its own. I’m not trying to offend you, but it’s posts like this that really show your ignorance and lack of biblical understanding.

What I’m not going to do is hand you the answer. You’ve got a decision to make, and it’s your decision. You can remain in your ignorance and misuse scripture to support your unbelief, or you can do the tough work of comprehending that the laws within Torah are to be discerned. In other words, other laws always have to be weighed when looking at any specific law.

This being said, what other laws pertain, or could pertain? And what constitutes rape within the Hebrew culture of the day? Does rape mean the same thing in our current culture? Again, it’s a call for discernment and if you don’t understand the complexities that each law has the consideration of other laws then you’ll misinterpret most laws.

Are you up for the hard work of learning Torah? Or is it easier to just throw out ignorant accusations of things you know little to nothing about?
 
He's asking me what question I am seeking to have answered.
Interesting that you'd be disturbed when a Christian just asks even for clarification.
I was unaware of that. My zeal for the Lord prompted my response. But you seem aware of the NT and the scriptures yet you do not believe. So if Genesis through Revelation can't convince you neither can I. What I find "interesting" is you coming to "Christian" forums asking such questions emphasizing your unbelief and jumping on any fault you can perceive to justify yourself in your stance. Perhaps you should read Job and learn that if the living God start asking you question back you will become speechless. Your problem isn't with me but with Christ. Look at Him and His perfection and if you find fault in Him then I would state the fault is in your heart not His. I tell you in judgments made it will be Jesus's words that prevail.
 
As far as Deuteronomy 22:28-29, it’s not that cut and dry. You can’t just pull one verse out and interpret it on its own. I’m not trying to offend you, but it’s posts like this that really show your ignorance and lack of biblical understanding.

What I’m not going to do is hand you the answer. You’ve got a decision to make, and it’s your decision. You can remain in your ignorance and misuse scripture to support your unbelief, or you can do the tough work of comprehending that the laws within Torah are to be discerned. In other words, other laws always have to be weighed when looking at any specific law.

This being said, what other laws pertain, or could pertain? And what constitutes rape within the Hebrew culture of the day? Does rape mean the same thing in our current culture? Again, it’s a call for discernment and if you don’t understand the complexities that each law has the consideration of other laws then you’ll misinterpret most laws.

Are you up for the hard work of learning Torah? Or is it easier to just throw out ignorant accusations of things you know little to nothing about?
Let's look at the context. This is a continuous quote of Deut. 22:23-29 in the ESV (a conservative translation:
If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel.
If there is a betrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbor's wife. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor, because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her.
If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.
We have 4 cases in a row, which come after a test for virginity.
  • Case 1: Consensual adultery.
    • Punishment: death for both. Very simple. Complicated situations then come next.
  • Case 2: Adultery (betrothal was closer to marriage in Hebrew culture than it is today) that begins as rape but becomes consensual since the woman did not resist. In a city.
    • Punishment: death for both.
    • Implied that if she cries for help, only the man dies.
  • Case 3: Adulterous rape, in an open country where no one could help her.
    • Punishment: only the man dies.
  • Case 4: Rape that is not adulterous; no betrothal and certainly no marriage. No consideration of where it took place, or if she resisted or not.
    • Punishment: The man marries her and gives the father the brideprice.
Why does adultery receive the death penalty? In Israelite culture, marriage represented the relationship between God and his people Israel. Thus to defile marriage with adultery receives the death penalty because it parallels blasphemy.

You wanted me to give context, not just pull out a verse? There it is. Now, in the context, case 2 and 3 are clearly rape because they talk about the woman calling for help and resisting. Case 4 though, is it rape? the word translated "violated" is ‘in·nāh. That appeared earlier in case 2, where we see "he violated his neighbor's wife", in the context of crying for help, and thus in the context of rape.

Most tellingly, remember 2 Samuel 13? David's son, Amnon, rapes his sister, Tamar. In verse 22, we see, "But Absalom [David's other son] spoke to Amnon neither good nor bad, for Absalom hated Amnon, because he had violated his sister Tamar."

I have exposited the context and done a word study. The study has confirmed that it is a rape law. I've also addressed the background behind death for adultery. If there are flaws in my argument, please point them out.

EDIT: Valerie Tarico summed it up well : "The punishments for rape have to do not with compassion or trauma to the woman herself but with honor, tribal purity, and a sense that a used woman is damaged goods."
 
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