When a person is buried in their grave, in the ground, they go to hell or to heaven.
Before the Resurrection of Jesus, they were contained in the heart of the earth in Abraham's Bosom or hell.
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When a person is buried in their grave, in the ground, they go to hell or to heaven.
Before the Resurrection of Jesus, they were contained in the heart of the earth in Abraham's Bosom or hell.
JLB
Do you believe people have a spirit, soul and physical body.
Do you believe angels have spiritual bodies?
Do you believe we have spiritual bodies?
Your ugly remark, seems as if you don't understand these things.
JLB
Did those who were raised from the heart of the earth when Jesus rose on the third day, seem to you like spirit Ghost's?
A person can't see a spirit, but these appeared to many.
51 And, behold , the veil of the temple was rent intwain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake , and the rocks rent ; 52 And the graveswere opened ; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose , 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Matthew 27:51-53
Also, please notice that it said many bodies of the saints, not many souls of the saints which slept.
JLB
1 Peter 3 disagrees with that statement:
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1 Peter 3: 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water
In order to make that statement you should be able to explain why Peter did not mean the words he wrote, which I made bold blue19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water
That is called the descensus ad infernum (if you want to impress someone with Latin) and it means "descent into Hell". It is also included in the 4th teaching of the Apostle's Creed.
1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:
3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:
4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:
5. The third day he rose again from the dead:
6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:
7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:
8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:
9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:
10. The forgiveness of sins:
1l. The resurrection of the body:
12. And the life everlasting. Amen.
2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:
3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:
4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:
5. The third day he rose again from the dead:
6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:
7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:
8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:
9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:
10. The forgiveness of sins:
1l. The resurrection of the body:
12. And the life everlasting. Amen.
No snarkiness involved here, simply discussing stuff.OK?
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I gave you expert commentary, which surpasses my meager knowledge of Greek, studied so long ago, and obviously you did not consider that. Do you want me to explain what they said? Too quickly I forget that people are often intimidated by the posting of Greek or Hebrew, which I frequently do here. In saying that, and in posting that, I am not putting you down in any way, but that is a legitimate offer with no strings attached.
There are souls in heave right now.When we die and
When believers die their souls go immediately to heaven 2 Corinthians 5:6-8.
Scripture does not say that the body will remain in the grave with the soul.This is something that would be important for God to relate to us if it were the case.
When a believer dies and their soul goes immediately to heaven that soul has some kind of substance.The souls can recognize each other Matthew 17:3-4.The Bible does not say what that substance is like.They can recognized mom,dad or a grandparent who was a believer.These souls are waiting to be reunited with their resurrected bodies at the rapture of the Church.
The unbelievers are in hades right now until the end of the Millennium when they will be judged at the Great White Throne judgment Revelation 1:18.I don't think that hades is a party environment.I would think it is very lonely,dark and people will regret their decisions to not have chosen God.Maybe not....
I have a feeling that no matter how many videos or posts you see you will still have the beliefs that you do.That is your choice.You have been given scripture for the truth.
This scripture doesn't give a timeline though, it only speaks of the condition of the heart.
wow. another one that sees that. sheol is believed in jewry to be a purgatory. i don't know if all the jews say about that is true but i noticed this and thought hmmmm. theres other things about paradise that jews say and jesus said in revalation about the garden and the tree of life. jews see that when they die and are in gan eden(paradise/heaven) they are with God in the garden until the time of the resurrection and return to the earth(eretz yisreal).
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Here's something i found a few years ago you might find interesting..
http://www.eternallifeblog.com/2013/07/26/atheist-medical-doctor-turns-christian/
tob
http://www.eternallifeblog.com/2013/07/26/atheist-medical-doctor-turns-christian/
tob
No they're not, Matt 17:3-4 is a vision about rapture and the first resurrection. It has nothing to do with what happens right after you die.
Moses represents those who will be resurrected at the first resurrection and Elijia represents those alive upon rapture.
This is simply a vision of what will happen at rapture and the first resurrection. A vision is a vision is a vision.
Is this calling me "one" meant to dehumanize me? I am a person, you know
You are free to agree or disagree with what I post; however, you are not free to tell me what I believe.
And I do now know why you feel to project onto me, something which I have not given any statement about, "This is what I believe..."
Could you rewrite that please?
BTW the planet Earth is not the same as the land of Israel.
If you wish to discuss what the Scriptures say, I will be glad to do that, OK?
It's describing our relationship with God using idolatry.
Deut 32:21-22
21They made me jealous by what is no god
and angered me with their worthless idols.
I will make them envious by those who are not a people;
I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding.
22For a fire will be kindled by my wrath,
one that burns down to sheol below.
It will devour the earth and its harvests
and set afire the foundations of the mountains.
Well, Hollywood an fantasy controls the world so....most people believe that instead of scripture.
A vision???
A vision is like a mirage, non existent except to the person seeing it.
This is the TRANSFIGURATION, and by leaving out the beginning, you deliberately omit the CONTEXT, and then build a belief upon something that was not present. Please look at the entire passage in its context below:
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Matthew 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
Let's look at a few facts
1) In verse 1, there are five people there Jesus Christ, the Son of God and three soon-to-be APOSTLES plus James (the elder,) the brother of John; both sons of Zebedee
2) The face of Jesus glowed as bright as the sun.
3) Two more persons joined them who were long-ago dead : Moses died c.1100 BC and Elijah who died in the ninth century BC. Now there are 5 persons there.
4) Peter was dumbfounded by what he saw, and made an outrageous statement, meaning he ALSO saw the event: it was not a subjective vision.
5) Suddenly God the Father enters the scene, and acclaims Jesus as His Son, telling the 3 APOSTLES to follow and believe Jesus.
6) The OTHER disciples an unknown number of persons, so as an arbitrary, number to make the number of Disciples 12, there are 8 more people who heard the voice of God the Father and were very, very afraid.
7) If you are counting, there are a total of 16 persons involved, two of which are members of the Holy Trinity.
8) After Jesus touched all the Diciples, Elijah and Moses plus the cloud were all gone.
If you are paying close attention, you see that I did not include verse 9 above. the reason for that is because the KJV word, "vision" had a different meaning than it does today. It is not that the KJV is wrong; it is that we in 2014 cannot fully grasp what the translators of the KJV meant exactly. Here it is in another version:
NIV | Mt 17:9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”
ὅραμα.
ὅραμα. is “that which is to be seen,” “appearance,” “spectacle” (from the time or Xenoph.), also outside the Bible tt. for “vision,” P. Par., 51, 37 == Wilcken Ptol., 78, 37 (160 B.C.); Ditt. Syll.3, 1128, 3 (2nd cent. B.C.); P. Goodspeed, 3, 5 (3rd cent. B.C.); cf. also Corp. Herm., IX, 2....
In the NT ὅραμα (always sing.) occurs, outside Acts., only in Mt. 17:9. Here the verb in the par[allel passages of]. Mk. 9:9; cf. Lk. 9:36 suggests “what is seen,” even though the reference is to a vision, → 354; cf. also Ac. 7:31 (ref. to Ex. 3:3)
ὅραμα. is “that which is to be seen,” “appearance,” “spectacle” (from the time or Xenoph.), also outside the Bible tt. for “vision,” P. Par., 51, 37 == Wilcken Ptol., 78, 37 (160 B.C.); Ditt. Syll.3, 1128, 3 (2nd cent. B.C.); P. Goodspeed, 3, 5 (3rd cent. B.C.); cf. also Corp. Herm., IX, 2....
In the NT ὅραμα (always sing.) occurs, outside Acts., only in Mt. 17:9. Here the verb in the par[allel passages of]. Mk. 9:9; cf. Lk. 9:36 suggests “what is seen,” even though the reference is to a vision, → 354; cf. also Ac. 7:31 (ref. to Ex. 3:3)
Kittel, G., Bromiley, G. W., & Friedrich, G. (Eds.). (1964–). Theological dictionary of the New Testament. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.
One reason why I cannot accept that it was a vision, or an apparition is that you have two members of the Trinity Who would be perpetuating a fraud upon the 12 (or more) disciples there, PLUS there would be an element of divination in the appearances of Moses and Elijah if these were mere visionary characters. To maintain the "vision" aspect, one would have to find a reason to find out why a Holy God would violate something He commands us to avoid.
Those are the reasons why I believe as I do, and I believe that is backed up by Scripture. Of course, you do not have to believe as I do, and if you choose to believe differently, I invite you to find Scriptural-level support for that.
Rapture and Resurrection?
1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah." 5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!" Matthew 17:1-5
Where does it mention the Rapture or Resurrection.
Moses and Elijah stepped out of the spirit realm, and were visable to the Disciples.
This was done throughout the Old testament with the Lord Himself and angels.
It's called a vision, because the Disciples were allowed to see Moses and Elijah.
Just exactly like Elisha and his disciple.
Elisha already saw them, and commented to this young man that - for those who are with us are more than those who are with them.
16 So he answered, "Do not fear, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them." 17 And Elisha prayed, and said, "Lord, I pray, open his eyes that he may see." Then the Lord opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw. And behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. 2 Kings 6:16-17
The Lord allowed His disciples to temporarily see these two.
To them it was a vision. It had to do with their eyes being adjusted to see.
Vision.
You act as if Moses and Elijah were not really there!
JLB
By Grace - JLB
The transfiguration is specifically describing (1) the rapture and (2) the first resurrection.
Moses represents those who are dead in their grave, Elijah represents those that are still alive.
Moses represents the first resurrection, Elijah represents the rapture.
Moses and Elijah are just symbols that describe future events. Do you understand what I'm saying here.
Sermon - http://biblehub.com/sermons/auth/macdonald/the_transfiguration.htm
And six days after. This note refers to the conversation Jesus had with his disciples, in which he said, "The Son of man shall come," etc. (quote Matthew 16:27, 28). But the apostles are all dead, and the kingdom is still future. The Transfiguration, then, must be viewed as a symbolic anticipation and pledge of the kingdom, and Peter and James and John were those referred to who should not taste death until they had seen the Son of man coming in his kingdom; and they saw this when they were "eyewitnesses of his majesty on the holy mount." We propose to show -
I. THAT THE SPIRITUAL GLORY OF THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST IS SET FORTH IN THE TRANSFIGURATION.
1. It exhibits the signs of a new dispensation.
(1) Here is humanity the shrine of Deity. This as a fact existed in the Incarnation. It is roundest in the Transfiguration. This is a new thing. Formerly the Holy Spirit was with men, now he is in them (see John 14:17). The indwelling of the witnessing Spirit characterizes this dispensation.
(2) Moses and Elijah shine in the glory of Jesus. The Law is illustrated by the light of the gospel. Its sacrifices and ablutions now become full of glorious meaning. So are the prophets illustrated. Their personal history is seen to have been typical. Their predictions of Messiah are fulfilled.
(3) Christ is the source of gospel law. The "voice" rebuked Peter's mistake in proposing to make equal tabernacles. "Hear ye him." No longer listen to Moses and the prophets otherwise than as they are heard in the accents of Jesus.
2. It exhibits the signs of a spiritual dispensation.
(1) Here is a remarkable concurrence. Moses fasted forty days in the wilderness of Sinai. So did Elijah. Jesus likewise fasted forty days in "the wilderness" - probably the same. Of no other is this recorded. Here are all those together in glory.
(2) The life of those forty days proclaimed that "man doth not live by bread alone, but by every word" - the precept and the promise "of God." This spiritual life may be studied in the history of that remarkable forty days of the life of Jesus after his resurrection. We are "risen with Christ."
(3) While they fasted from natural food, they feasted on spiritual. While the Israelites fasted during their forty years in the wilderness, they feasted on the bread from heaven.
(4) So the sun-clothed woman - the true Church of Christ - was nourished in the wilderness by the pure Word of God during these "forty and two months" in which she fled from the face of the Jezebel of Rome. The counterpart of this was the feeding of the prophets in the caves by good Obadiah, when they fled from the persecutions of the meretricious Queen of Samaria.
3. It exhibits the tokens of gospel grace.
(1) However glorified, Jesus still remembers Calvary. The matter of the conversation m the mount of glory was the decease he should accomplish at Jerusalem. And now he is in the height of heaven he lives there to make intercession for us.
(2) Calvary is the theme of celestial rapture. It is the burden of the song of the redeemed. Holy angels take up the strain.
(3) Prejudices are dissipated in the light of eternity. "Peter answered," viz. to the conversation about the decease, "Lord, it is good for us to be here." This was the same Peter who, six days earlier, had the presumption to rebuke Jesus for referring to the same decease (see ch. 16:22).
II. THAT THE PHYSICAL GLORY OF THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST IS SET FORTH IN THE TRANSFIGURATION.
1. Jesus will yet appear in royal state.
(1) In the visions of the prophets the two advents of Messiah are blended; and it is only in the fulfilment of the circumstances of the first advent in humiliation that we get clear views of those of the second advent in glory.
(2) Of this glory there were remarkable prophetic anticipations in the glorious Divine forms or similitudes of Old Testament times.
(3) The Transfiguration is a still clearer anticipation. For here we have not only the semblance of a beatified humanity; we have the true humanity of Jesus beatified by the glory of the Godhead.
2. The bright cloud manifested the presence of angels.
(1) If we compare the passages in which the glorious advent of Christ is described, we shall see that those which mention the "clouds" omit the mention of accompanying angels; and so contrariwise, those which mention the "angels" omit the mention of clouds.
(2) Wherever Christ's presence is promised, the presence of his retinue of angels is understood, if not expressed. They are ever present with him in the assemblies of his saints (see Ecclesiastes 7:6; 1 Corinthians 11:10).
(3) Clouds and angels are promiscuously the chariots of God. The clouds of angels were with him in his ascension (cf. Psalm 68:17, 18; Ephesians 4:8-10; see also Psalm 18:10; Psalm 104:1-4).
3. Moses represented the sainted dead.
(1) His appearance upon the mount was a kind of specimen of the resurrection. He had a grand death when, on the mountain summit, God bowed his august head out of heaven and kissed away the soul of his servant. His body was buried. Then there was a contention about this (see Jude 1:9). Was it with respect to the appearance of Moses in this scene?
(2) It was a sample of the first resurrection. The resurrection of the just will take place in two acts (see Revelation 20:4-6). In the first resurrection the "ancients" will appear in glory with Christ (cf. Isaiah 24:23; Daniel 12:1-3);
(3) May we hope for this distinction (see Philippians 3:8-11)? Let us strive.
4. Elijah represented the living who shall be changed.
(1) Paul had special revelation on this subject (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).
(2) These transfigurations will occur during the course of the reign of Christ over the earth. Sinners will die off quickly. Saints will be changed - translated (see Luke 17:34-37).
(3) Of these, Elijah was a specimen. He was translated to heaven in a fiery chariot, and must have been transfigured in his transit. Flesh and blood cannot enter heaven.
(4) What a mingled scene is here! Christ with the glory of the Father. Clouds of angels. Elijah representing the quick. Moses representing the dead. The apostles representing the Church on earth. Heaven and earth will be thus blended in the kingdom of Messiah.
(5) Have we not a note of the time of the kingdom in the "six days'" interval? Does it not correspond with the six ages of Barnabas mentioned in his Epistle? Is this wholly without countenance from Scripture (cf. Daniel 12:12, 13; Hosea 6:2; Hebrews 4:9; 2 Peter 3:8)? There is a wonderful future for the Christian. - J.A.M.
The transfiguration is specifically describing (1) the rapture and (2) the first resurrection.
Moses represents those who are dead in their grave, Elijah represents those that are still alive.
Moses represents the first resurrection, Elijah represents the rapture.
Moses and Elijah are just symbols that describe future events. Do you understand what I'm saying here.
Sermon - http://biblehub.com/sermons/auth/macdonald/the_transfiguration.htm
And six days after. This note refers to the conversation Jesus had with his disciples, in which he said, "The Son of man shall come," etc. (quote Matthew 16:27, 28). But the apostles are all dead, and the kingdom is still future. The Transfiguration, then, must be viewed as a symbolic anticipation and pledge of the kingdom, and Peter and James and John were those referred to who should not taste death until they had seen the Son of man coming in his kingdom; and they saw this when they were "eyewitnesses of his majesty on the holy mount." We propose to show -
I. THAT THE SPIRITUAL GLORY OF THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST IS SET FORTH IN THE TRANSFIGURATION.
1. It exhibits the signs of a new dispensation.
(1) Here is humanity the shrine of Deity. This as a fact existed in the Incarnation. It is roundest in the Transfiguration. This is a new thing. Formerly the Holy Spirit was with men, now he is in them (see John 14:17). The indwelling of the witnessing Spirit characterizes this dispensation.
(2) Moses and Elijah shine in the glory of Jesus. The Law is illustrated by the light of the gospel. Its sacrifices and ablutions now become full of glorious meaning. So are the prophets illustrated. Their personal history is seen to have been typical. Their predictions of Messiah are fulfilled.
(3) Christ is the source of gospel law. The "voice" rebuked Peter's mistake in proposing to make equal tabernacles. "Hear ye him." No longer listen to Moses and the prophets otherwise than as they are heard in the accents of Jesus.
2. It exhibits the signs of a spiritual dispensation.
(1) Here is a remarkable concurrence. Moses fasted forty days in the wilderness of Sinai. So did Elijah. Jesus likewise fasted forty days in "the wilderness" - probably the same. Of no other is this recorded. Here are all those together in glory.
(2) The life of those forty days proclaimed that "man doth not live by bread alone, but by every word" - the precept and the promise "of God." This spiritual life may be studied in the history of that remarkable forty days of the life of Jesus after his resurrection. We are "risen with Christ."
(3) While they fasted from natural food, they feasted on spiritual. While the Israelites fasted during their forty years in the wilderness, they feasted on the bread from heaven.
(4) So the sun-clothed woman - the true Church of Christ - was nourished in the wilderness by the pure Word of God during these "forty and two months" in which she fled from the face of the Jezebel of Rome. The counterpart of this was the feeding of the prophets in the caves by good Obadiah, when they fled from the persecutions of the meretricious Queen of Samaria.
3. It exhibits the tokens of gospel grace.
(1) However glorified, Jesus still remembers Calvary. The matter of the conversation m the mount of glory was the decease he should accomplish at Jerusalem. And now he is in the height of heaven he lives there to make intercession for us.
(2) Calvary is the theme of celestial rapture. It is the burden of the song of the redeemed. Holy angels take up the strain.
(3) Prejudices are dissipated in the light of eternity. "Peter answered," viz. to the conversation about the decease, "Lord, it is good for us to be here." This was the same Peter who, six days earlier, had the presumption to rebuke Jesus for referring to the same decease (see ch. 16:22).
II. THAT THE PHYSICAL GLORY OF THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST IS SET FORTH IN THE TRANSFIGURATION.
1. Jesus will yet appear in royal state.
(1) In the visions of the prophets the two advents of Messiah are blended; and it is only in the fulfilment of the circumstances of the first advent in humiliation that we get clear views of those of the second advent in glory.
(2) Of this glory there were remarkable prophetic anticipations in the glorious Divine forms or similitudes of Old Testament times.
(3) The Transfiguration is a still clearer anticipation. For here we have not only the semblance of a beatified humanity; we have the true humanity of Jesus beatified by the glory of the Godhead.
2. The bright cloud manifested the presence of angels.
(1) If we compare the passages in which the glorious advent of Christ is described, we shall see that those which mention the "clouds" omit the mention of accompanying angels; and so contrariwise, those which mention the "angels" omit the mention of clouds.
(2) Wherever Christ's presence is promised, the presence of his retinue of angels is understood, if not expressed. They are ever present with him in the assemblies of his saints (see Ecclesiastes 7:6; 1 Corinthians 11:10).
(3) Clouds and angels are promiscuously the chariots of God. The clouds of angels were with him in his ascension (cf. Psalm 68:17, 18; Ephesians 4:8-10; see also Psalm 18:10; Psalm 104:1-4).
3. Moses represented the sainted dead.
(1) His appearance upon the mount was a kind of specimen of the resurrection. He had a grand death when, on the mountain summit, God bowed his august head out of heaven and kissed away the soul of his servant. His body was buried. Then there was a contention about this (see Jude 1:9). Was it with respect to the appearance of Moses in this scene?
(2) It was a sample of the first resurrection. The resurrection of the just will take place in two acts (see Revelation 20:4-6). In the first resurrection the "ancients" will appear in glory with Christ (cf. Isaiah 24:23; Daniel 12:1-3);
(3) May we hope for this distinction (see Philippians 3:8-11)? Let us strive.
4. Elijah represented the living who shall be changed.
(1) Paul had special revelation on this subject (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).
(2) These transfigurations will occur during the course of the reign of Christ over the earth. Sinners will die off quickly. Saints will be changed - translated (see Luke 17:34-37).
(3) Of these, Elijah was a specimen. He was translated to heaven in a fiery chariot, and must have been transfigured in his transit. Flesh and blood cannot enter heaven.
(4) What a mingled scene is here! Christ with the glory of the Father. Clouds of angels. Elijah representing the quick. Moses representing the dead. The apostles representing the Church on earth. Heaven and earth will be thus blended in the kingdom of Messiah.
(5) Have we not a note of the time of the kingdom in the "six days'" interval? Does it not correspond with the six ages of Barnabas mentioned in his Epistle? Is this wholly without countenance from Scripture (cf. Daniel 12:12, 13; Hosea 6:2; Hebrews 4:9; 2 Peter 3:8)? There is a wonderful future for the Christian. - J.A.M.
Total Poppycock !
1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah." 5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!" Matthew 17:1-5
The disciples could tangibly see and recognize Moses and Elijah.
Moses and Elijah appeared to them talking with Him.
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. Genesis 17:1
The Lord appeared to Abram.
Does this make this manifestation a vision of the Resurrection of Jesus.
SSSSSSEEEEEESSSSSHHHHHH!!!
Dude you need to study for yourself and stop copying everybody's commentary.
JLB