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Is it even possible to desolate a future Temple

Jake99 said:
Australia may be tolerant of selling skin and gambling but I can guarantee you that the messiah is not. Its the sales system that is the problem that causes the wars and the rape. Your tolerant society needs an ass kicking if that is what it thinks is ok.
I am the Messiah, and I can guarantee you that Australia's tolerance is the closest thing we have to Utopia on earth. It is Australia's ideology that needs to be exported to the Middle East in order to win the War on Terror. And prostitution/gambling do NOT cause rape. Rape is caused because humans are NATURAL SUBJUGATORS and to get around this problem we need a NEW RELIGION that teaches people to FIGHT SUBJUGATION. If you were the true Messiah you would have been spending all your time on the Iraqi blogs trying to figure out the common ideology between good Muslims, good Christians and good atheists that was needed to prevent rape and win the War on Terror. You were absent from the Iraqi blogs. It never even occurred to you that you should be using this opportunity to solve human's problems.
 
kerravon said:
Jake99 said:
Australia may be tolerant of selling skin and gambling but I can guarantee you that the messiah is not. Its the sales system that is the problem that causes the wars and the rape. Your tolerant society needs an ass kicking if that is what it thinks is ok.
I am the Messiah, and I can guarantee you that Australia's tolerance is the closest thing we have to Utopia on earth. It is Australia's ideology that needs to be exported to the Middle East in order to win the War on Terror. And prostitution/gambling do NOT cause rape. Rape is caused because humans are NATURAL SUBJUGATORS and to get around this problem we need a NEW RELIGION that teaches people to FIGHT SUBJUGATION. If you were the true Messiah you would have been spending all your time on the Iraqi blogs trying to figure out the common ideology between good Muslims, good Christians and good atheists that was needed to prevent rape and win the War on Terror. You were absent from the Iraqi blogs. It never even occurred to you that you should be using this opportunity to solve human's problems.
ROFL!!!!! now i've seen it all,,, two FALSE messiahs arguing over whos the real one,,, will the real (false)messiah please stand up LOL, are we in the end times or what? we need a new religion huh? ain't we got enough false religions already? you decievers crack me up, ROFL!!,, how can you antichrists ever hope to succede at decieving the world preaching such nonesense? LOL

Jam 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

you guys better get on the ball because you're not doing a very good job of decieving me, your father(satan) will probably be angry with you for that, LOL

you guys don't even make convincing "false" false messiahs, how can you ever expect to make anyone believe you're the real false ones, you can not decieve anyone like this, lets see some miricles or something, make fire come down from heaven or something like that, lol , try pretending to heal someone who's pretending to be sick like benny hinn or something lol, he seems to decieve alot of folks, maybe you need to get him to give you guys some lessons or something, you'll never make good false messiahs like this, ROFL!!!!!!
 
Green^Horn said:
ROFL!!!!! now i've seen it all,,, two FALSE messiahs arguing over whos the real one,,, will the real (false)messiah please stand up LOL, are we in the end times or what? we need a new religion huh? ain't we got enough false religions already? you decievers crack me up, ROFL!!,, how can you antichrists ever hope to succede at decieving the world preaching such nonesense? LOL
How do you plan to recognize the real Messiah? There's no point quoting scripture. That is clearly not the word of God, as shown by the references to stoning, even stoning your own children. God would never have said anything of the sort.

you guys don't even make convincing "false" false messiahs, how can you ever expect to make anyone believe you're the real false ones, you can not decieve anyone like this, lets see some miricles or something, make fire come down from heaven or something like that
Miracles on demand would be PROOF. If I could provide proof it would mean you have no choice but to do what I said or face my wrath. Power needs to be constrained. There is one miracle - message 666 on 9/11 containing the formula for winning the War on Terror. A question you should be asking yourself is why you weren't in the Iraqi blogs and why you didn't write the message 666, and why you didn't convert to Islam to reach out to your enemies. I'm the only one who did all that. Exactly as Jesus 1 would have done.
 
Jake99 said:
Australia may be tolerant of selling skin and gambling but I can guarantee you that the messiah is not. Its the sales system that is the problem that causes the wars and the rape. Your tolerant society needs an ass kicking if that is what it thinks is ok.
Well I see our word censor didn't quite work here. :o I'll let it slide this time; 1, because this End Times Forum consists primary of adults and 2, I agree with what you said above.


kerravon, please refrain from calling yourself Mesaiah while posting here. If you continue, I WILL edit or delete your posts.

THIS is NOT a theory:

Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Also, THIS is Truth:

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many....

...Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

What does the Lord say about miracles, signs and wonders just prior to the end?

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Go ahead and show us some miracles. :-?
 
This thread is on whether a future physcial temple built in Jerusalem in the real world can ever be defiled again. If your are the Messiah or His Follower, then the answer to this should be quite obvious.

For the rest of us let's listen to the words of the Messiah:

Mat 24:2 But he answered them, "You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down."

Mat 24:15 "So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
 
Cameron,

What translation are you quoting? Why does it say in v. 15 "standing" instead of "stand"???

I see that quite often, and I'm just wondering why.

God Bless!
 
The building of a new temple on this rock is in reference to the system to be operated on this planet. Jerusalem has nothing to do with it in particular and the Jews are just as much gods people as everyone else. You will be converting globally to one new simple system that could care less what you believe about god. What you are waiting for is a universal operating system that is fair and environmentally friendly. All for one and one for all brotherhood, that has no borders and no complicated systems to manage. I don't study the bible because I do not need to, I know what it says and how to run the planet according to that advice. Simplicity and change is my profession and solutions to chaos is what I am extremely skilled and accomplished at. From what I see of Jerusalem ( all I see is on the news) it needs to be upgraded and its walls need to come down forever. And the simple system like all of the many others that I have designed working for a company that was once in total chaos would never change. It would improve with new technologies but no one would find reason to change the basics of it because it is simple and efficient. I build things that last and I do it as quickly and safely as possible, no one has ever changed the systems that I designed. I have demonstrated my ability to work at many times the speed at which others do and my success rate is documented and witnessed to be over 99%. And when the time came I stepped forward claiming to be the christ, challenged your Judicial system to prove me wrong and won start to finish twice in jury trials right at Y2K as predicted. The proof is in what I have already done but so far I have just been beaten and mocked for trying to build the temple that you have been promised since the beginning of time. I would be happy to show you my death on the cross and where it happened as well as the many miracles I have performed, but first my defiant and complete victory over your warriors and elect at Y2K. Yes their was a lot of invisible blood on my suit and the chariot of fire got a ding or two but I walked away from the tomb it was parked in front of and the leaders who wished to keep me there. In the end I forced Pilate's ( judge Daniel Winslow) hand and he and she and all of them had to release me. I threw the punch they did not see coming and then I backed them into the turnbuckle where they fought hard, got demolished and still refused to take a knee. Your elect ( Satans disciples) want to remain in control of this planet that they have out of control. I have asked for their surrender in writing and via my attorney, they refuse, I suggest you submit to a superior leader and a simple system on your own behalf. What you will read is just the basics of what was considered relevant as it pertains to a defense and the law. It is based on assumptions and second hand knowledge that is not accurate but somewhat close. This trial was designed to get me to admit who I was by asking me the same questions as were asked of Jesus before he was eliminated. I chose to live to fight again and stuck to the legal defense of my actions.

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Jake99 said:
The building of a new temple on this rock is in reference to the system to be operated on this planet. Jerusalem has nothing to do with it in particular and the Jews are just as much gods people as everyone else. You will be converting globally to one new simple system that could care less what you believe about god. What you are waiting for is a universal operating system that is fair and environmentally friendly. All for one and one for all brotherhood,
you appearantly have no idea what "we" are waiting for, but you can rest assured that one thing that "we" are not waiting for is your lies.

"You will be converting globally to one new simple system that could care less what you believe about god"

i thaught this was a christian website, if i were in any kind of power here, you would be banned after that statement, "get thee behind me satan" "the lord rebuke thee"
 
What you believe in is a personal thing, how you manage the planet is a brotherly thing outlined in the bible. Just follow the instructions that you preach about taking the lines off the map and working together and your religion is your business. Treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, implies that allowing people to starve to death is a crime against yourself and yet you let it happen everyday. I have just the place for your religions its called the lake of fire, along with your profits and borders. Wake up!
 
Green^Horn

I have my foot on Satans head and its just a matter of time before he loses control of you and this way of life.
 
Matthew  24 : 15, "Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him who reads understand),"

Mark  13 : 14, "But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not (let him who reads understand), then let those in Judea flee to the mountains;"

No one knows the length of time spanning the events mentioned in vv. 4-14. But the prophecy in vv. 15-31, concerning the remnant of the Jews, definitely will be fulfilled in the last three and a half years of this age, the time of the great tribulation, the second half of the last week prophesied in Dan. 9:27, which will begin with the setting up of Antichrist's image (the idol) in the temple (v. 15) and will end with Christ's open coming (v. 30).

Abomination denotes an idol (Deut. 29:17). Here it refers to Antichrist's image, which will be set up as an idol in the temple of God (Rev. 13:14-15; 2 Thes. 2:4) at the beginning of the great tribulation (v. 21). Hence, this idol will be another sign of the consummation of this age.

Desolation,  (lit., causing desolation, desolating). The abomination, the image of Antichrist, will cause desolation. Antichrist is called "the destroyer" (Apollyon  Rev. 9:11); he will do much destroying (Dan. 8:13, 23-25; 9:27).

Holy place here refers to the sanctuaries in God's temple (Psa. 68:35; Ezek. 7:24; 21:2).


In love,
cj
 
What translation are you quoting? Why does it say in v. 15 "standing" instead of "stand"???

ddubsolo85

I like to quote out of a variety. Many of them say standing.


Mat 24:15

(ALT) "Therefore, when you* see the 'abomination of the desolation' [or, the 'detestable thing that causes desecration'], the one having been spoken [of] through Daniel the prophet, having stood in the holy place (the one reading, let him be understanding [or, be paying attention]), [Dan 8:13; 9:27; 12:11]

(AMP) So when you see the appalling sacrilege [the abomination that astonishes and makes desolate], spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place--let the reader take notice and ponder and consider and heed [this]--[Dan. 9:27; 11:31; 12:11.]

(ASV) When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand),

(BBE) When, then, you see in the holy place the unclean thing which makes destruction, of which word was given by Daniel the prophet let this be clear to the reader,

(Bishops) When ye therefore, shall see the abhomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophete, stande in the holy place, (who so readeth, let hym vnderstande.)

(CEV) Someday you will see that "Horrible Thing" in the holy place, just as the prophet Daniel said. Everyone who reads this must try to understand!

(DRB) When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place: he that readeth let him understand.

(EMTV) "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),

(ESV) "So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),

(GEB) Wenn ihr nun den Greuel der Verwüstung, von welchem durch Daniel, den Propheten, geredet ist, stehen sehet an heiligem Orte (wer es liest, der beachte es),

(Geneva) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, set in the holy place (let him that readeth consider it.)

(GLB) Wenn ihr nun sehen werdet den Greuel der Verwüstung (davon gesagt ist durch den Propheten Daniel), daß er steht an der heiligen Stätte (wer das liest, der merke darauf!),

(GNB) "You will see 'The Awful Horror' of which the prophet Daniel spoke. It will be standing in the holy place." (Note to the reader: understand what this means!)

(GNEU) Wenn ihr aber das 'Scheusal der Verwüstung', von dem der Prophet Daniel geredet hat, am heiligen Ort stehen seht, - Wer das liest, der merke auf! -

(GNT-WH+) οταν3752 CONJ ουν3767 CONJ ιδητε1492 V-2AAS-2P το3588 T-ASN βδελυγμα946 N-ASN της3588 T-GSF ερημωσεως2050 N-GSF το3588 T-ASN ρηθεν4483 V-APP-ASN δια1223 PREP δανιηλ1158 N-PRI του3588 T-GSM προφητου4396 N-GSM εστος2476 V-2RAP-ASN εν1722 PREP τοπω5117 N-DSM αγιω40 A-DSM ο3588 T-NSM αναγινωσκων314 V-PAP-NSM νοειτω3539 V-PAM-3S

(GW) "The prophet Daniel said that the disgusting thing that will cause destruction will stand in the holy place. When you see this (let the reader take note),

(HCSB) "So when you see the abomination that causes desolation, spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place" (let the reader understand),

(HNV) "When, therefore, you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniyel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),

(ISV) "So when you see the destructive desecration, mentioned by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place (let the reader take note),

(KJV+) When3752 ye therefore3767 shall see1492 the3588 abomination946 of desolation,2050 spoken4483 of by1223 Daniel1158 the3588 prophet,4396 stand2476 in1722 the holy40 place,5117 (whoso readeth,314 let him understand:)3539

(KJV-1611) When yee therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, stand in the holy place, (who so readeth, let him vnderstand.)

(KJVA) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

(LITV) Then when you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (the one reading, let him understand), Dan. 11:31; 12:11

(MKJV) Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoever reads, let him understand).

(MRC) "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Dani’el the prophet, standing in the Holy Place--let the reader understand--

(MSG) "But be ready to run for it when you see the monster of desecration set up in the Temple sanctuary. The prophet Daniel described this. If you've read Daniel, you'll know what I'm talking about.

(Murdock) And when ye see the abominable sign of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place; then let the reader consider;

(NET) "So when you see the abomination of desolation23  spoken about by Daniel the prophet  standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),

(WEB) "When, therefore, you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),

(Webster) When therefore ye shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoever readeth, let him understand,)

(WNT) "When you have seen (to use the language of the Prophet Daniel) the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION', standing in the Holy Place" --let the reader observe those words--

(WycliffeNT) and thanne the ende schal come. Therfor whanne ye se the abhomynacioun of discomfort, that is seid of Danyel, the prophete, stondynge in the hooli place; he that redith, vndirstonde he;

(YLT) `Whenever, therefore, ye may see the abomination of the desolation, that was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (whoever is reading let him observe)
 
Cameron,

Mark 13:14 also seems to make it quite clear.

Thank you for your reply.

God Bless!
 
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