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Hey You Guys!
I got a few widows mites fer ya on this one . . .
Imagican wrote well describing the meekness of Christ~
How is it that only the Father knew the time of His return and Jesus Christ did not?
Yeah~ Muzrein what are numbers to the God who created them?
And Harry wrote from a good solid bible study; He spoke from the Divine that was in him. . .and was His.
i would add he spoke naturally of spiritual matters because spirit was His nature as much as human was His heart. :fadein:
Hey vic~ study thru the "I am" statements of Jesus Christ on the gospel of John . . . the Father is also Light. John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. How could Jesus promise that we would have the (light of life) = Father. Unless He was able to offer the Father as His coequal?
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." AND~ Revelation 19:13 "And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." emphasis mine.
Zakariyaa wrote correctly : For '' Image '' Is Tselem - Meaning '' Resemblance , Semblance '' And Then The Aramic
( Hebrew ) Word Used For '' Likeness '' Is Demuwth '' Meaning '' To Be Like Someone Or Something , To Resemble , To Compare To , '' Now If Man Was Created In The Likeness And After The Image Of God And That Means That Man Is Like God In All Ways And All Maners , And Sine People LQQK Different . They Range In Features , Shapes , Sizes , And Many Characteristics , So Which One Man Has The Image And Likeness Of God ?
Yet have you seen this word used to describe Jesus in the book of Hebrews?
Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
He was the shining forth of the Father's glory because he is His expess image ( or the identical reflection of the Father) :o
Vines entry for greek word charakter=
Image:
denotes, firstly, "a tool for graving" (from charasso, "to cut into, to engross;" cp. Eng., "character," "characteristic"); then, "a stamp" or "impress," as on a coin or a seal, in which case the seal or die which makes an impression bears the "image" produced by it, and, vice versa, all the features of the "image" correspond respectively with those of the instrument producing it. In the NT it is used metaphorically in Hbr 1:3, of the Son of God as "the very image (marg., 'the impress') of His substance." RV. The phrase expresses the fact that the Son "is both personally distinct from, and yet literally equal to, Him of whose essence He is the adequate imprint" (Liddon). The Son of God is not merely his "image" (His charakter), He is the "image" or impress of His substance, or essence. It is the fact of complete similarity which this word stresses in comparison with those mentioned at the end of No. 1. In the Sept., Lev 13:28, "the mark (of the inflammation)."
Potluck said appropriately;
A "sonship" is the closest we can come in this world. Nothing else is closer for us to understand the relationship.
There were a few saints of long ago who meditated long on the godhead of Christ . . .
Here is a hymn from one such saint ' ' ' 8-)
The Vision of the Godhead
Unchanging and Unchangeable, before angelic eyes,
The Vision of the Godhead in its tranquil beauty lies;
And, like a city lighted up all glorious within,
Its countless luster’s glance and gleam, and sweetest worship win.
On the Unbegotten Father, awful well-spring of the Three,
On the Sole Begotten Son’s coequal Majesty.
On Him eternally breathed forth from Father and from Son.
The spirits gaze with fixed amaze, and unreckoned ages run.
Myriad, myriad angels raise
Happy hymns of wonderous praise,
Ever through eternal days,
Before the Holy Trinity,
One Undivided Three!
Still the Fountain of the Godhead gives forth eternal being;
Still begetting, unbegotten, still His own perfection seeing,
Still limiting His own loved Self with His dear coequal Spirit,
No change comes over that blissful Life, no shadow passes near it.
And beautiful dread Attributes, all manifold and bright,
Now thousands seem, now lose themselves in one self-living light;
And far in that deep life of God, in harmony complete,
Like crowned Kings, all opposite perfections take their seat.
And in that ungrowing vision nothing deepens, nothing brightens,
But the living Life of God perpetually brightens;
And created life is nothing but a radiant shadow fleeting
From the unapproachable lusters of that Unbeginning Being;
Spirits wise and deep have watched that everlasting Ocean,
And never over its lucid field has rippled faintest motion;
In glory undistinguished never have the Three seemed One,
Nor ever in divided streams the Single Essence run.
There reigns the Eternal Father, in His lone prerogatives,
And, in the Father’s Mind, the Son, all self-existing lives,
With him, their mutual Jubilee, that deepest depth of Love,
Lifegiving Life of Twofold source, the many gifted Dove!
O Bountiful, O Bountiful! Can power or wisdom add
Fresh features to a life, so munificent and glad?
Can even uncreated love, ye angels! give a hue
Which can ever make the Unchanging and Unchangeable look new?
The Mercy of the Merciful is equal to Their Might,
As wonderous as Their Love, and as Wisdom bright!
As They, who out of nothing, called creation at the first,
In everlasting purposes Their own design had nursedâ€â€
As They, who in their solitude, Three Persons once abode,
Promised of Their abundance to become creation’s Godâ€â€
What They owed not to Themselves They stooped to owe to man,
And pledged Their glory to him, in an unimaginable plan.
See! Deep within the glowing depth of that Eternal Light,
What change has come, what vision new transports angelic sight?
A creature can it be, in uncreated bliss?
A novelty of God? Oh what nameless thing is this?
The beauty of the Father’s Power is over it brightly shed,
The sweetness of the Spirit’s Love is unction on its head;
In the Wisdom of the Son it plays its wondrous part,
While it lives the loving life of real Human heart!
A Heart that has a Mother, and a treasure of red blood,
A Heart that man can pray to, and feed upon for food!
In the brightness of the Godhead is its marvelous abode,
A change in the Unchanging, creation touching God!
You spirits blest, in endless rest, who on that Vision gaze,
Salute the Sacred Heart with all your worshipful amaze,
And adore, while with ecstatic skill the Three in One you scan,
The Mercy that has planted that blessed Heart of Man!
All tranquility, all tranquility, does that Blissful Vision last,
And its brightness over immortalized creation will it cast;
Ungrowing and unfading, Its pure Essence does it keep,
In the deepest of those depths where all are infinitely deep;
Unchanging and Unchangeable as It has ever been,
As It was before that Human heart was there by angels seen,
So it is at this very hour, so it will ever be,
With that Human heart within It, beating hot with love of me!
Myriad, myriad angels raise
Happy hymns of wonderous praise,
Ever through eternal days,
Before the Holy Trinity,
One Undivided Three!
Frederick William Faber, 1814-1863 The Christian Book of Mystical Verse by A. W. Tozer :infinity:
In the hidden hands of the Father and the Son . . . bonnie
Hey You Guys!
I got a few widows mites fer ya on this one . . .
Imagican wrote well describing the meekness of Christ~
How is it that only the Father knew the time of His return and Jesus Christ did not?
Yeah~ Muzrein what are numbers to the God who created them?
And Harry wrote from a good solid bible study; He spoke from the Divine that was in him. . .and was His.
i would add he spoke naturally of spiritual matters because spirit was His nature as much as human was His heart. :fadein:
Hey vic~ study thru the "I am" statements of Jesus Christ on the gospel of John . . . the Father is also Light. John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. How could Jesus promise that we would have the (light of life) = Father. Unless He was able to offer the Father as His coequal?
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." AND~ Revelation 19:13 "And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." emphasis mine.
Zakariyaa wrote correctly : For '' Image '' Is Tselem - Meaning '' Resemblance , Semblance '' And Then The Aramic
( Hebrew ) Word Used For '' Likeness '' Is Demuwth '' Meaning '' To Be Like Someone Or Something , To Resemble , To Compare To , '' Now If Man Was Created In The Likeness And After The Image Of God And That Means That Man Is Like God In All Ways And All Maners , And Sine People LQQK Different . They Range In Features , Shapes , Sizes , And Many Characteristics , So Which One Man Has The Image And Likeness Of God ?
Yet have you seen this word used to describe Jesus in the book of Hebrews?
Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
He was the shining forth of the Father's glory because he is His expess image ( or the identical reflection of the Father) :o
Vines entry for greek word charakter=
Image:
denotes, firstly, "a tool for graving" (from charasso, "to cut into, to engross;" cp. Eng., "character," "characteristic"); then, "a stamp" or "impress," as on a coin or a seal, in which case the seal or die which makes an impression bears the "image" produced by it, and, vice versa, all the features of the "image" correspond respectively with those of the instrument producing it. In the NT it is used metaphorically in Hbr 1:3, of the Son of God as "the very image (marg., 'the impress') of His substance." RV. The phrase expresses the fact that the Son "is both personally distinct from, and yet literally equal to, Him of whose essence He is the adequate imprint" (Liddon). The Son of God is not merely his "image" (His charakter), He is the "image" or impress of His substance, or essence. It is the fact of complete similarity which this word stresses in comparison with those mentioned at the end of No. 1. In the Sept., Lev 13:28, "the mark (of the inflammation)."
Potluck said appropriately;
A "sonship" is the closest we can come in this world. Nothing else is closer for us to understand the relationship.
There were a few saints of long ago who meditated long on the godhead of Christ . . .
Here is a hymn from one such saint ' ' ' 8-)
The Vision of the Godhead
Unchanging and Unchangeable, before angelic eyes,
The Vision of the Godhead in its tranquil beauty lies;
And, like a city lighted up all glorious within,
Its countless luster’s glance and gleam, and sweetest worship win.
On the Unbegotten Father, awful well-spring of the Three,
On the Sole Begotten Son’s coequal Majesty.
On Him eternally breathed forth from Father and from Son.
The spirits gaze with fixed amaze, and unreckoned ages run.
Myriad, myriad angels raise
Happy hymns of wonderous praise,
Ever through eternal days,
Before the Holy Trinity,
One Undivided Three!
Still the Fountain of the Godhead gives forth eternal being;
Still begetting, unbegotten, still His own perfection seeing,
Still limiting His own loved Self with His dear coequal Spirit,
No change comes over that blissful Life, no shadow passes near it.
And beautiful dread Attributes, all manifold and bright,
Now thousands seem, now lose themselves in one self-living light;
And far in that deep life of God, in harmony complete,
Like crowned Kings, all opposite perfections take their seat.
And in that ungrowing vision nothing deepens, nothing brightens,
But the living Life of God perpetually brightens;
And created life is nothing but a radiant shadow fleeting
From the unapproachable lusters of that Unbeginning Being;
Spirits wise and deep have watched that everlasting Ocean,
And never over its lucid field has rippled faintest motion;
In glory undistinguished never have the Three seemed One,
Nor ever in divided streams the Single Essence run.
There reigns the Eternal Father, in His lone prerogatives,
And, in the Father’s Mind, the Son, all self-existing lives,
With him, their mutual Jubilee, that deepest depth of Love,
Lifegiving Life of Twofold source, the many gifted Dove!
O Bountiful, O Bountiful! Can power or wisdom add
Fresh features to a life, so munificent and glad?
Can even uncreated love, ye angels! give a hue
Which can ever make the Unchanging and Unchangeable look new?
The Mercy of the Merciful is equal to Their Might,
As wonderous as Their Love, and as Wisdom bright!
As They, who out of nothing, called creation at the first,
In everlasting purposes Their own design had nursedâ€â€
As They, who in their solitude, Three Persons once abode,
Promised of Their abundance to become creation’s Godâ€â€
What They owed not to Themselves They stooped to owe to man,
And pledged Their glory to him, in an unimaginable plan.
See! Deep within the glowing depth of that Eternal Light,
What change has come, what vision new transports angelic sight?
A creature can it be, in uncreated bliss?
A novelty of God? Oh what nameless thing is this?
The beauty of the Father’s Power is over it brightly shed,
The sweetness of the Spirit’s Love is unction on its head;
In the Wisdom of the Son it plays its wondrous part,
While it lives the loving life of real Human heart!
A Heart that has a Mother, and a treasure of red blood,
A Heart that man can pray to, and feed upon for food!
In the brightness of the Godhead is its marvelous abode,
A change in the Unchanging, creation touching God!
You spirits blest, in endless rest, who on that Vision gaze,
Salute the Sacred Heart with all your worshipful amaze,
And adore, while with ecstatic skill the Three in One you scan,
The Mercy that has planted that blessed Heart of Man!
All tranquility, all tranquility, does that Blissful Vision last,
And its brightness over immortalized creation will it cast;
Ungrowing and unfading, Its pure Essence does it keep,
In the deepest of those depths where all are infinitely deep;
Unchanging and Unchangeable as It has ever been,
As It was before that Human heart was there by angels seen,
So it is at this very hour, so it will ever be,
With that Human heart within It, beating hot with love of me!
Myriad, myriad angels raise
Happy hymns of wonderous praise,
Ever through eternal days,
Before the Holy Trinity,
One Undivided Three!
Frederick William Faber, 1814-1863 The Christian Book of Mystical Verse by A. W. Tozer :infinity:
In the hidden hands of the Father and the Son . . . bonnie
