Is Lucifer Satan? A study of scripture...

[Vanguard]

Ok, that took a while to read over.

Taking a break from it. I'll come back to it later.

 

[Osgiliath]

Summation

We have seen that satanic angels are not enemies of God, but of mankind. They are not waging an unholy war against God nor recruiting humans to join an army of darkness. They are simply messengers who do YHWH's bidding. Some satanic angels fulfill the role of a sin beast that crouches at the door, waiting to pounce on the sinner. When people sin they are given over to the sin beast who places them in compromising situations that can lead them to sin further. The satanic angel in Chronicles fulfilled this role and was sent by YHWH to incite David to sin. In Job the satanic angel was at first helpless to cause Job to sin, because God protected Job (Job 1:10). But when God wanted to test Job he did this by allowing the satanic angel to tempt him. Despite the horrific things that happened to Job he succeeded in ruling over the great temptation to sin. Although he was turned over to the hands of the satanic angel, by acting righteously he was able to rule the satanic angel rather than be ruled.

Excellent work Kumi Ori.

I really do hope and pray members here take the time to read BOTH of these posts of yours thoroughly, slowly, and in their entirety.


Orthodox Christendom tells us that God created Satan good and that Satan went bad. That is, he fell. The idea is: God tried His best, but Satan broke the leash. The resultant conclusion is, don't blame God for the trouble Satan has caused. It isn't God's fault.

My question is, if what Orthodoxy says is true, what is to stop Satan from rebelling again? From undoing the work of the Cross? From spoiling yet another universe? Anyone?

If what Orthodoxy says is true, since it happened once, it could happen again, and again, and again. But don't blame God?

Well then who is responsible for the universe? Are we to lose sleep tonight, wondering what havoc will next send Almighty God running for His cosmic laboratory?



Here's a handy revelation:

"GOD IS OPERATING ALL IN ACCORD WITH THE COUNSEL OF HIS WILL" (Ephesians 1:11)


And I'll quote verses I quoted previously:

Isaiah 54:16 "Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I HAVE CREATED THE WASTER TO DESTROY."

Proverbs 16:4 "The LORD hath made ALL THINGS for himself: yea, EVEN THE WICKED for the day of evil."

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do ALL these things."


And we have the incident with Ahab:

1 Kings 22:19 "And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
1 Kings 22:20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
1 Kings 22:21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
1 Kings 22:22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so."

This story of King Ahab, just as the story of Job, and Joseph's brothers, and every other story in the Bible, demonstrates that no evil spirit can lift a finger without permission and commission from God.



The story of King Saul is this same story. An 'Adversary' (Satan) can do nothing more than he is sent to accomplish:

1 Samuel 16:14 "But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
1 Samuel 16:15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee."

An "evil spirit" from WHO troubled Saul?



All of the verses above shatter the two most beloved doctrinal biases (idols of the heart) in existence: "man's free will" and "eternal torment." A lot of proud people want to keep these biases going. Why? To preserve their pride, so they can feel "special". And one of their strategies is to hide truth, or "cast" those who illuminate truth "out of the synagogues" (even 'online' synagogues)

The entire orthodox concept is ludicrous when (and if) you really think about it. If Satan somehow escaped God's control and has his own sovereign little kingdom, then God can't help those ensnared by him. We all know what nonsensical excuse the church comes up with: "God won't force Himself on anyone." Like God is shrugging His shoulders, pointing to Satan and saying, "Hey! Don’t look at me; he started it! What do you want me to do about it?"

Of course this dethrones God, but Orthodox Christendom says; "Who Cares?" Our doctrine of "Free Will" is preserved, and more importantly, our beloved "eternal torment" is ensured, and the proud, self-righteous people stay that way.



But if these verses mean exactly what they say - that God is responsible for the way Satan is now, and for all the trouble that has ensued - then Satan's so-called free will is non-existent, as well as everyone else's free will. At this point, if anyone still wants to keep the demented 'eternal torment' on the table, they’ve got to make God directly responsible for people being tortured in hell for eternity, a cookie-regurgitating concept only a Calvinist could love.


And as Kumi Ori said, the word Satan means "adversary." Even YHWH stood in the way as a satan (adversary) to him (Bil'am). The positive work of God from the realm of His RIGHT HAND (Christ) lies in the inner anointing, guidance, enlightening, etc., those the Lord sets in the body for our exhortation, edification, and comfort. However, there is the work of purging, pruning, discipline, dealing, and training which must be fulfilled in each and every one of us; therefore in the work of God there is an additional part, the negative, opposing forces, from the LEFT HAND OF GOD (Satan).


Satan is only the LEFT HAND of God, or the negative means God uses. Orthodox Christendom has exalted Satan to godhood, giving HIM the glory for all he does. They attribute more power to him, and they unknowingly praise him more than they do God! They talk about poor little God "trying" His best to do this and that, while the shrewder and smarter devil slips up on God's blind side and demolishes His whole work. It baffles my mind how people swallow all of the unscriptural pagan mythology thrown at them from the pulpits of Babylon every Sunday morning! Unbelievable!

 

[Sinthesis]

Excellent work Kumi Ori.

I really do hope and pray members here take the time to read BOTH of these posts of yours thoroughly, slowly, and in their entirety.


Orthodox Christendom tells us that God created Satan good and that Satan went bad. That is, he fell. The idea is: God tried His best, but Satan broke the leash. The resultant conclusion is, don't blame God for the trouble Satan has caused. It isn't God's fault.

My question is, if what Orthodoxy says is true, what is to stop Satan from rebelling again? From undoing the work of the Cross? From spoiling yet another universe? Anyone?

If what Orthodoxy says is true, since it happened once, it could happen again, and again, and again. But don't blame God?

Well then who is responsible for the universe? Are we to lose sleep tonight, wondering what havoc will next send Almighty God running for His cosmic laboratory?



Here's a handy revelation:

"GOD IS OPERATING ALL IN ACCORD WITH THE COUNSEL OF HIS WILL" (Ephesians 1:11)


And I'll quote verses I quoted previously:

Isaiah 54:16 "Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I HAVE CREATED THE WASTER TO DESTROY."

Proverbs 16:4 "The LORD hath made ALL THINGS for himself: yea, EVEN THE WICKED for the day of evil."

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do ALL these things."


And we have the incident with Ahab:

1 Kings 22:19 "And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
1 Kings 22:20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
1 Kings 22:21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
1 Kings 22:22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so."

This story of King Ahab, just as the story of Job, and Joseph's brothers, and every other story in the Bible, demonstrates that no evil spirit can lift a finger without permission and commission from God.



The story of King Saul is this same story. An 'Adversary' (Satan) can do nothing more than he is sent to accomplish:

1 Samuel 16:14 "But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
1 Samuel 16:15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee."

An "evil spirit" from WHO troubled Saul?



All of the verses above shatter the two most beloved doctrinal biases (idols of the heart) in existence: "man's free will" and "eternal torment." A lot of proud people want to keep these biases going. Why? To preserve their pride, so they can feel "special". And one of their strategies is to hide truth, or "cast" those who illuminate truth "out of the synagogues" (even 'online' synagogues)

The entire orthodox concept is ludicrous when (and if) you really think about it. If Satan somehow escaped God's control and has his own sovereign little kingdom, then God can't help those ensnared by him. We all know what nonsensical excuse the church comes up with: "God won't force Himself on anyone." Like God is shrugging His shoulders, pointing to Satan and saying, "Hey! Don’t look at me; he started it! What do you want me to do about it?"

Of course this dethrones God, but Orthodox Christendom says; "Who Cares?" Our doctrine of "Free Will" is preserved, and more importantly, our beloved "eternal torment" is ensured, and the proud, self-righteous people stay that way.



But if these verses mean exactly what they say - that God is responsible for the way Satan is now, and for all the trouble that has ensued - then Satan's so-called free will is non-existent, as well as everyone else's free will. At this point, if anyone still wants to keep the demented 'eternal torment' on the table, they’ve got to make God directly responsible for people being tortured in hell for eternity, a cookie-regurgitating concept only a Calvinist could love.


And as Kumi Ori said, the word Satan means "adversary." Even YHWH stood in the way as a satan (adversary) to him (Bil'am). The positive work of God from the realm of His RIGHT HAND (Christ) lies in the inner anointing, guidance, enlightening, etc., those the Lord sets in the body for our exhortation, edification, and comfort. However, there is the work of purging, pruning, discipline, dealing, and training which must be fulfilled in each and every one of us; therefore in the work of God there is an additional part, the negative, opposing forces, from the LEFT HAND OF GOD (Satan).


Satan is only the LEFT HAND of God, or the negative means God uses. Orthodox Christendom has exalted Satan to godhood, giving HIM the glory for all he does. They attribute more power to him, and they unknowingly praise him more than they do God! They talk about poor little God "trying" His best to do this and that, while the shrewder and smarter devil slips up on God's blind side and demolishes His whole work. It baffles my mind how people swallow all of the unscriptural pagan mythology thrown at them from the pulpits of Babylon every Sunday morning! Unbelievable!

I can't agree with any of the above, other than I also enjoyed reading Kumi Ori's contribution.

 

[chakham]

I can't agree with any of the above, other than I also enjoyed reading Kumi Ori's contribution.

Give this a listen it's another subject, though somewhat related. 'The concept of evil' from the Tanakh's perspective. Im still trying to get a grasp on that.

http://www.truth2u.org/2012/08/ira-michaelson-treasures-from-the-tanakh-job-81-22.html

Some of you may know of the commentator Ira Michaelson. Hear his journey.

http://www.truth2u.org/2012/11/ira-...hodox-to-messianic-to-contextual-judaism.html

 

[Osgiliath]

Originally posted by Sinthesis,

I can't agree with any of the above.

So, do you believe Satan was once a holy angel who fell? Come on Sinth, I know you're not a man of many words ;), but what exactly do you not agree with. Isn't it clear that God Himself sent the evil spirit to trouble Saul (1 Samuel 16:14-15). Isn't it clear that it was God who sent the lying spirit to the prophets to "persuade" Ahab at Ramothgilead (1 Kings 22:19-22)? Was it not God's idea to send Satan down to afflict Job? And we have:

Ezekiel 14:9 "And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel."

And is it not God Himself who sends "strong delusion?"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."




And just to highlight what has already been posted, notice "WHO IT WAS" that provoked David to number Israel in both of these accounts:

2 Samuel 24:1 "And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah."

1 Chronicles 21:1 "And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel."


Satan means "adversary" and here God is referred to as a Satan (adversary).


If 'Christ' really is 'at God's right hand' and 'the goats' are on 'Christ's left hand', then it follows that Satan is on the left hand of both Christ and God, as "Thy hand", that is, as God's hand, to do such things as afflicting Job, troubling King Saul, provoking King David to number Israel and Judah, being a lying spirit in the mouth of Ahab's prophets, sending strong delusion, etc.

 

[John 8:32]

Before you answer with a resounding "YES!" please read over this post. I will be exploring the verse Isaiah 14:12 through a variety of different translations, as well as non-biblical (but historical) material. I have my own opinion, but I leave it up to you to decide for yourself in the end.

Isaiah 14:12

KJV: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

NIV: How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

NASB: How you have fallen from heaven, O [a]star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!
[a] Heb Helel, i.e. "shining one"

NRSV: How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!

ESV: How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!

Notice anything? Out of the most popular versions of the Christian Bible, only one, the KJV, uses the name Lucifer. The rest have removed that name in the course of their revisions! Now the question is, why? Let's dive into history...

The monk Jerome, in the 4th century CE, was translating his Latin Vulgate for the Roman Catholic Church, and in the course of it he capitalized the word lucifer, as taken from the Greek heosphorus. The original rendering of lucifer simply means "day star, morning star, or dawn star," a reference to the planet Venus. Other translations include "light-bringing, and bringer of dawn." Why Jerome chose to capitalize the word lucifer and make it a proper noun, no one knows. Thanks to literary works such as the 1611 KJV, Dante's Inferno and Paradise Lost, the name Lucifer became symbolic with Satan.

However, Jerome's interpretation was incorrect.

The entire chapter 14 of Isaiah is actually talking about a Babylonian king. If you look at the original Hebrew that has been translated into English and validated, you find that it states this:

"On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labour forced on you, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended! How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit. Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: 'Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, the man who made the world a wilderness, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?'"



I know it is a lot to read, but it is VERY important to understand that paragraph. The original Hebrew text says nothing about Satan. It is quite literally talking about a Babylonian king, his enslavement of the Hebrews, the labors they were forced to endure, and that king's death. This is not something that is taught in Sunday school.

According to correctly translated scripture and verified by the original Hebrew, the word lucifer, spelled with a capital L, was an incorrect interpretation/translation by a Roman Catholic monk some 1600 years ago. Incidentally, Isaiah 14:12 is the only verse in the KJV of the Bible where you will find the word lucifer. Since the word does not belong, Lucifer is not Satan.

Now don't start burning me at the stake just yet. I am not saying that there is no Satan, because there most definitely is. We know this for a fact. But that verse (and chapter) is not talking about Satan. This also answers the question as to why modern translations have revised that verse and removed the word lucifer. Simply put, it never belonged in the first place.

:crazy

Lucifer is the name of a covering cherub who became Satan...

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Lucifer:

H1966
הילל
hêylêl
hay-lale'
From H1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning star: - lucifer.

There were three, Gabriel, Michael and Heylel, now there are two.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

A little more about the fall of Lucifer...

Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

This is the KING of tyre. The human leader was called the prince of Tyre...

Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

The king that is referred to in the following verses is obviously not a man...

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

This is why God instructed Moses to put two cherubs on the Ark as covering cherubs, there were only two left.

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

iniquity = lawlessness

Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Lucifer was the "light bringer" until he changed. Until he became lawless (vs 15: "till iniquity was found in thee") and became Satan.

A rose by any other name...

 

[Vanguard]

Go back and reread my OP.

 

[John 8:32]

Go back and reread my OP.

Why? Did you go back and correct it? If it is as it was, it still is in error.

 

[Vanguard]

Why? Did you go back and correct it? If it is as it was, it still is in error.

It wasn't wrong to begin with. You're not looking at the entirety of Isaiah 14.

 

[n2thelight]

There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,†but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is likely the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18: "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.†A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28.

Isaiah 14:12-18 describes the fall from heaven of one called “Lucifer†in the King James Version and the “morning star, son of the dawn†in the NIV. Other Bible versions call him “Day Star,†“shining star,†and “the bright morning star.†These variations are due to differences of opinion about how to translate the Hebrew word helel. Regardless, the description of the one referred to shows us it can be none other than Satan. We know from Jesus’ own words in Luke 10 that Satan fell from heaven. So, when Isaiah refers to Lucifer or helel being cast down to earth (Isaiah 14:12), it can be none other than Satan. The reason for his fall is found in verses 13 and 14: “You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’†This has always been Satan’s desire – to be God, and it is the very temptation he used in the Garden of Eden to get Eve to disobey God: “You shall be as God†(Genesis 3:5).

Ezekiel 28 is another passage thought to refer to Lucifer/Satan. Although it begins with Ezekiel being commanded by God to “take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre†(v. 12), an evil idolatrous king, it soon becomes clear that the passage is referring as well to the power behind that king—Satan. Verse 13 says he was “in Eden, the garden of God.†Clearly, the king of Tyre was never in Eden. Verse 14 says, “You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you.†Apparently, Lucifer/Satan had a position of guardian angel in heaven “among the fiery stones,†thought to be the shining precious jewels that are seen in other descriptions of heaven (Exodus 24:10; Revelation 21:18-21). Since the king of Tyre was never in heaven, either, this can only be describing Lucifer. The rest of the passage describes the reason he was cast out of heaven. Because of his beauty, his heart became proud and his wisdom was corrupted (v. 17). Pride in his perfection, wisdom and beauty (v. 12) became the source of his downfall, and God threw him to the earth (v. 17). This was witnessed by the Lord Jesus in heaven before His incarnation (Luke 10:18).

To summarize, the Hebrew word helel is translated "Lucifer." He was cast out of heaven for his sin of pride and his desire to be God. Jesus referred to seeing Satan being cast out of heaven. Therefore, we can conclude that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same.

 

[King James]

http://www.kjv-only.com/isa14_12.html

 

[Vanguard]

There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,” but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is likely the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18.

I'd suggest reading the OP first. Actually, go back and read the entire chapter 14 of Isaiah. It's talking about a king of Babylon. Context! Context! Context!

Others have already said the same thing you just did, but unfortunately that is not the case. Most modern scholars will tell you that you can't cherry pick verses, take them out of context, and apply them wherever to try and illustrate a point.

http://www.kjv-only.com/isa14_12.html

I grew up on the KJV. I am now a NASB-NIV parallel reader, and I try and see what the Classical Hebrew says about the OT. There is a good reason that modern translations differ from the KJV: 400 years of archaeology since 1611.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jerusalem Bible: Isaiah 14:12 How did you come to fall from the heavens Daystar, son of the Dawn? How did you come to be thrown to the ground, you who enslaved the nations?
KJV: Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Lucifer’s name meant lightbearer when he was created as he was a reflection of Gods brightness as one who had favor in the Lord. God changed his name to Satan, which means adversary, after he fell from heaven. God changed many names from one to another in the Bible to reflect his glory through them as a nation. For the example of Lucifer: Lucifer, Satan, Devil, Beelzebub, Belial, Adversary, Dragon, Serpent and many more that are descipture of his character.

It's all Satan no matter what name is given to him as only he fell from heaven as there is no flesh and blood people in heaven, but God, Jesus and His angels. That's anther topic. It was Satan that weaken the nations by working through those certain Kings as Satan is the complete opposite of God and his kingdom is this world.

 

[Slider]

If Satan was Lucifer, does that mean Satan was a man? Cause Isaiah identifies Lucifer was a man. And since we are on the topic, If the Prince of Tyre was Satan and was in Eden, who were the merchants from Sheba, Asshur and Chilmad that were there in Eden? And again, was the Prince of Tyre aka Satan a man?

What's being done is that certain lines in the books are being isolated and compared to what was in the New Testament and in Genesis. "Similar" wording doesn't mean it's the same incident. Lucifer fell from Heaven, Satan fell from heaven.... It doesn't make it the same thing.

 

[Vanguard]

KJV: Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Modern translations have revised the verse to reflect the correct translation and context. The word "lucifer" has been removed. A lot has been discovered in the last 400 years.

God changed his name to Satan, which means adversary, after he fell from heaven.

Where does it say his name was changed? Satan comes from the Hebrew word Ha-SaTan, which means not only the "adversary" but also "the accuser." Furthermore, it is a title, not a name. Jerome got it wrong in the 4th century AD for his Latin Vulgate.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

A lot has been discovered in the last 400 years.

I love it.

Where does it say his name was changed?

Don't forget, she derives her theology from Dante.

 

[for_his_glory]

I love it.




Don't forget, she derives her theology from Dante.

Sorry, my theology does not come from some play, but by Gods very word only so don't even go there please.

 

[reba]

2.5: Respect each others' opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself.

It is a violation to misquote or misrepresent another member. Staff

 

[Vanguard]

Sorry, my theology does not come from some play, but by Gods very word only so don't even go there please.

He's referring to the fictional accounts of Satan that were inspired by Dante's Inferno and Paradise Lost. Unfortunately, some people have a view of Satan based on fiction and not necessarily Scripture (not saying you do). Others base it on the KJV, which has some erroneous interpretations/translations in it. That is the reason modern translations differ from the KJV; they work to correct those mistakes and to attain greater accuracy (like it or not).

 

[for_his_glory]

Modern translations have revised the verse to reflect the correct translation and context. The word "lucifer" has been removed. A lot has been discovered in the last 400 years.



Where does it say his name was changed? Satan comes from the Hebrew word Ha-SaTan, which means not only the "adversary" but also "the accuser." Furthermore, it is a title, not a name. Jerome got it wrong in the 4th century AD for his Latin Vulgate.

No matter what this spirit is called it still rebelled against God and was taken out of Gods Throne room and cast to the ground even though this spirit (angel) has access to go between heaven and earth to stand before Christ to accuse Gods children.

The word Lucifer is used in the King James Version only once, in Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” The Hebrew word translated Lucifer is helel (or heylel), from the root, hâlâl, meaning “to shine” or “to bear light.” ( IE: light-bearer). Ancient languages translate it ben-shachar (son of the dawn) as in the Jerusalem Bible. The KJV translators did not translate helel as Lucifer but borrowed the name from Jerome's translation of the Bible (A.D. 383-405).

In Isaiah 14:12 who was it that fell from heaven and weakened the nations? Was it the king of Babylon? or was it Satan who fell from heaven and weakened the nations by working through those like unaware of his evil devises. Go back and read Ezekiel 28:13-17 and compare it to Isaiah 14:12-15 to see who it was that was fallen from the Throne Room of God.

Satan was cast down to the earth and became the ruler of iniquity over it before the creation of man which is why he had the power and right to give the kingdoms of the world over to Christ.