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Is not Tithing a sin? Or is it opitional?

WIP said:
Isn't this a form of tithing?

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

"Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

“Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Matthew 25:31-46 NKJV
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No, it is not a form of tithing.
 
God is rich. He banks and invests his money wisely. He also buys more buildings with it. He drives a new mercedes benz. He thanks everyone for there kind donations.
 
A Child of the King
Harriet E. Buell, 1877

My Father is rich in houses and lands,
He holdeth the wealth of the world in His hands!
Of rubies and diamonds, of silver and gold,
His coffers are full, He has riches untold.

Refrain:
I’m a child of the King,
A child of the King:
With Jesus my Savior,
I’m a child of the King.

My Father’s own Son, the Savior of men,
Once wandered on earth as the poorest of them;
But now He is pleading our pardon on high,
That we may be His, when He comes by and by.

I once was an outcast stranger on earth,
A sinner by choice, an alien by birth,
But I’ve been adopted, my name’s written down,
An heir to a mansion, a robe and a crown.

A tent or a cottage, why should I care?
They’re building a palace for me over there;
Though exiled from home, yet still may I sing:
All glory to God, I’m a child of the King.​
 
Rollo Tamasi said:
No, it is not a form of tithing.
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I see what WIP said as very much a form of tithing.. tends to fit with this passage

Mal 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Mal 3:7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Mal 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
 
Yes God does say 'why do you rob me of my tithe bring the full tithe'. He never said anyone can take a cut and pay wages and salarys and buy buildings and cars wih it. He never said he would pay people to preach the Gospel. Thats robbing the tithe.
 
Num 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.
The priest in OT days were to be taken care of via tithes ...
 
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reba said:
Num 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.
The priest in OT days were to be taken care of via tithes ...
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So when did Pastors become levites?

Its either a donation and nothing to do with God. Or if they want to call it a tithe and bring up 10%, at least stick to biblical truth.
 
reba said:
I see what WIP said as very much a form of tithing.. tends to fit with this passage

Mal 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Mal 3:7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Mal 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
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WOW! What an imagination.
I'm impressed.
 
reba said:
Num 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.
The priest in OT days were to be taken care of via tithes ...
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This is true but don't misrepresent the truth.
Most Levites served 2 weeks per year in the Temple.
The rest of the year they worked the land like everyone else.
 
I will be looking some of this up.. For some reason i am thinking they did not own the land ... i will go looking.. there could be a difference between the high priest and the regular guys...
 
kiwidan I think you have the impression i think people should pays tithes .. I dont in general.. but those folks who want a church building are the ones that should pay for the building they want and all that goes with a building..



Deu 10:8 At that time the LORD separated the tribe of Levi, to bear the ark of the covenant of the LORD, to stand before the LORD to minister unto him, and to bless in his name, unto this day.
Deu 10:9 Wherefore Levi hath no part nor inheritance with his brethren; the LORD is his inheritance, according as the LORD thy God promised him.

This passage says to me the 'normal Levit " was not in the same 'class' as Aaron and sons..

1Ch 23:26 And also unto the Levites; they shall no more carry the tabernacle, nor any vessels of it for the service thereof.
1Ch 23:27 For by the last words of David the Levites were numbered from twenty years old and above:
1Ch 23:28 Because their office was to wait on the sons of Aaron for the service of the house of the LORD, in the courts, and in the chambers, and in the purifying of all holy things, and the work of the service of the house of God;
1Ch 23:29 Both for the shewbread, and for the fine flour for meat offering, and for the unleavened cakes, and for that which is baked in the pan, and for that which is fried, and for all manner of measure and size;
1Ch 23:30 And to stand every morning to thank and praise the LORD, and likewise at even;
1Ch 23:31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the sabbaths, in the new moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD:
1Ch 23:32 And that they should keep the charge of the tabernacle of the congregation, and the charge of the holy place, and the charge of the sons of Aaron their brethren, in the service of the house of the LORD.

Rollo Tamasi what chapter and verse do you find they worked... ?
 
reba said:
kiwidan I think you have the impression i think people should pays tithes .. I dont in general.. but those folks who want a church building are the ones that should pay for the building they want and all that goes with a building..



Deu 10:8 At that time the LORD separated the tribe of Levi, to bear the ark of the covenant of the LORD, to stand before the LORD to minister unto him, and to bless in his name, unto this day.
Deu 10:9 Wherefore Levi hath no part nor inheritance with his brethren; the LORD is his inheritance, according as the LORD thy God promised him.

This passage says to me the 'normal Levit " was not in the same 'class' as Aaron and sons..

1Ch 23:26 And also unto the Levites; they shall no more carry the tabernacle, nor any vessels of it for the service thereof.
1Ch 23:27 For by the last words of David the Levites were numbered from twenty years old and above:
1Ch 23:28 Because their office was to wait on the sons of Aaron for the service of the house of the LORD, in the courts, and in the chambers, and in the purifying of all holy things, and the work of the service of the house of God;
1Ch 23:29 Both for the shewbread, and for the fine flour for meat offering, and for the unleavened cakes, and for that which is baked in the pan, and for that which is fried, and for all manner of measure and size;
1Ch 23:30 And to stand every morning to thank and praise the LORD, and likewise at even;
1Ch 23:31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the sabbaths, in the new moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD:
1Ch 23:32 And that they should keep the charge of the tabernacle of the congregation, and the charge of the holy place, and the charge of the sons of Aaron their brethren, in the service of the house of the LORD.

Rollo Tamasi what chapter and verse do you find they worked... ?
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Yes. Yes.

I know that. If people want a church thats there business and its ok. If a pastor pays himself or whatever thats the churchs business and thats fine. As long as people know its not biblical and has nothing to do with God and the tithe. People should not be decieved telling them its Gods tithe.

A church is not Gods house and neither is the church tithe.
 
Rollo Tamasi said:
No, it is not a form of tithing.
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I think too many think that tithing is all about money but it's not. I once told someone that giving money is the easy way out but giving of one's self, now that's another thing altogether.
 
WIP said:
I think too many think that tithing is all about money but it's not. I once told someone that giving money is the easy way out but giving of one's self, now that's another thing altogether.
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This is true, but that's not tithing either.
 
Thanks

Num 35:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying,
Num 35:2 Command the children of Israel, that they give unto the Levites of the inheritance of their possession cities to dwell in; and ye shall give also unto the Levites suburbs for the cities round about them.
Num 35:3 And the cities shall they have to dwell in; and the suburbs of them shall be for their cattle, and for their goods, and for all their beasts.

I never met a rancher or farmer that didn't work.. :)
 
Levites dealt in leather. They made all the leather products in Israel. They also made incense and scrolls...like bible scrolls.
They also were accountants, lawyers, judges and teachers.

So...just because they weren't farmers or shepherds they were unemployed and living off of donations?
 
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