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Is not Tithing a sin? Or is it opitional?
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JohnDB
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OK.
The Bible may contain history but it isn't a history book.
There are plenty of anthropology resources that explain this.
Bible Manners and Customs is one but there are many. Some are better than others. Some of the midrash, Talmudic writings contain information as well.
But usually when cattle or sheep would be sacrificed the skin would first be removed. Since tanning is a lengthy process often the hides would be given to the Levites who would take this as part of their portion... Who would then tan the leather and make sandals, thongs, and whatever.
Levites also were the only ones authorized by God to handle scripture... Meaning they would be responsible for being scribes...meaning that they could read and write and rithmatic...and could teach. School was never compulsory for Israelites until 60AD...and Israel was destroyed ten years later.
Priests could only serve in the Temple or as a priest during the ages of 30-50. Before this they apprenticed and after they became lawyers of criminal or civil law and judges deciding different cases of civil and contractual law.
Being a Rabbi was different than a Levite.
Rabbinical class came out of the schools. First there was bethgasepher then bethmidrash and finally telmadeem of a rabbi.
Of the Rabbinical group there were many ranks with the schmeekah rabbi being the highest order and " as one having authority".
Shamei or Hillel being some famous rabbi.
But since they always were skilled in the scholastic talents people sought them out for teaching the children how to read and write.
The Apostles often were thought of as illiterate... NOT true. Just life and their lack of top marks in school kept them from continuing education to the talmudeem level. Talmudeem is a "follower of a rabbi" or a disciple.
iLOVE
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If love is not our motivation, whatever we give equals zero and amounts to nothing (1 Corinthians 13:3 NKJV). When we perform and try to meet the demands of the Law, we fall under the curse of trying to get God to “do” something (Galatians 3:10-14). The concept of giving and tithing is not based on money itself, it is about trust. When we give, it is no longer just giving money—it is authenticating our trust in God. Luke 16: 9-13 NKJV
Corn Pop
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I trust God, but i dont trust the church, or any other system.
iLOVE
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See post #6
Jethro Bodine
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"because of the grace that was given me from God, 16to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God" (Romans 15:15-16 NASB)
Jethro Bodine
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They were allowed to keep the skins of the sacrifices (the ones that weren't consumed anyway), Leviticus 7:8.
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Jethro Bodine
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You are misinformed.
"Love your neighbor as yourself" (LEVITUCUS 19:18 NASB)
23For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; 24for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. 25But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does. (James 1:23-25 NASB)
Walking in the righteousness of the law does not bring the curse. Trying to be justified by the righteousness of doing the law, THAT is what brings the curse: "4You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law" (Galatians 5:4 NASB)
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Jethro Bodine
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While it's true that the law of tithe does not have to be literally followed in this New Covenant, you're using a faulty reason to justify that truth.
It isn't because there are no more literal Levites in the ministry that we don't have to tithe anymore. That's the point. The truth is, the Levitical priesthood continues in this New Covenant, just not in the literal way of the law, as Paul shows us.
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Jethro Bodine
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Lovin' it, lol.
Corn Pop
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So why is the tithe not done properly?. You say im faulty but the whole church tithe system is faulty. Its not even biblical or done the biblical way.
Jethro Bodine
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Your ideas about the Levitical priesthood is what is faulty, not that the tithe is no longer literally in force. You are right about the tithe not being in force. It has nothing to do with the Levitical priesthood, which actually continues in a new form in this New Covenant. In fact, we're all in the temple ministry in this New Covenant (1 Peter 2:5). People like Paul were/are it's Priests (Romans 15:16).
Thanks.. I dont have a problem understanding the Scriptures are not a complete history book of the times...'.. so thank for the info..
We can see clearly the human side the priesthood taking over ... I think Jesus found the priests to a pretty ugly mass of humanity
Corn Pop
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Ok. So churchs have a system when everyone donates to keep the church going, they pay the bills, pay staff and the pastor, give a bit to charity or whatever way they choose to do things. Its give everyone fellowship and so on. Happy days. Now thats fine. Whatever they choose its there business.
But what i think is disrespectful towards the Most High is how they decieve and use both Gods name and the tithe as an excuse to get funding in a non biblical man made system.
The tithe is not funding a building and paying bills and whatever. Its just the way the church has chosen and is non biblical. There is nothing wrong with what they choose, but why call it a tithe and say people should or must pay or there robbing God. Whats it got to do with God and the real tithe.
Its using false biblical information in the Most Highs name.
But what i think is disrespectful towards the Most High is how they decieve and use both Gods name and the tithe as an excuse to get funding in a non biblical man made system.
The tithe is not funding a building and paying bills and whatever. Its just the way the church has chosen and is non biblical. There is nothing wrong with what they choose, but why call it a tithe and say people should or must pay or there robbing God. Whats it got to do with God and the real tithe.
Its using false biblical information in the Most Highs name.
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JohnDB
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I wasn't saying it for you as much as I was for many others who read this. It wasn't meant as a snarky comment.
It wasn't so much the Levites that were berated as much as the "enlightened ones" of their society.
To me, its a paradoxical thingy. The rabbinical portion of their society was a created, man-made thing. Jesus became a Schmeekah rabbi...not a Levite.
Jesus became a member of a group He hated in principle to save us all.
The "best and brightest" were the ones who became rabbi. And Jesus then took those who were not idiots but not the best and brightest minds and made them lead us all with the Apostles. (With the exclusion of Paul, who also made tents)
The Levites were relegated to more of servitude status than to one of clergy. Where their role in the caste based society wasn't completely erased it wasn't what God had intended either. The rabbi had "Jacob" ed/supplanted the Levites.
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This sounds nice but has nothing to do with tithing.
iLOVE
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The reason why the things I post seem to be disconnected to many here is revealed in post #23 last paragraph.
I understand Luke.
Jesus is talking about our stewardship in this life and the spiritual treasures we can gain, our spiritual failure, and our spiritual loss if we fail with our stewardship.
But as Christians, what does all that have to do with tithing, which is the subject of this thread?