BigSodaExposer
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Thats what I do a lot, and I am always accused of judging.
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Is Quran evil work?
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Thats what I do a lot, and I am always accused of judging.
th1b.taylor
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Jesus is considered a prophet, as the rest of the OT prophets from John the baptizer on back to Moses.
Officially, Jesus is also placed upon the same level as Mohammad, but in practicality, Mohammad is alsway on a higher plane because to dishonor him in any way, real or imagined is worthy of a death penalty.
Because the Muslims are monotheists, and do not understand the Christian concept of the Trinity, they call us "polytheists" and therefore idolatrous infidels.
Do you understand the law of non-contradiction, or have you studied logic?
Suppose you wanted to see Melbourne play Adelaide in FIFA. Then I ask two mates if they know the way to the stadium where the game is. The first guy tells me to take two lefts at the stop lights. The second bloke tells me to turn right at the next two traffic lights. It is obvious that both of them cannot be the correct directions to the stadium. (yes, there is another possibility, and I will deal with them later) That is what is meant by non-contradiction.
In theology, the aim is to go to the pleasant afterlife generically called heaven for convenience as opposed to Heaven, the residence of God. In order for a heaven to be true, it must conform to the instructions of the Bible, and have the same sorts of things going on in their brand of heaven as in the Bible. The Islamic brand of heaven is a bacchanal where there are many lovely ladies with which to have intercourse. IOW their heaven is a porno palace where the inhabitants continually break the law of God about adultery, and where women are merely objects to satisfy the lusts of men.
Sorry if I offended, but that is the truth about their vision of heaven.
Logic is also important because once something is described as TRUTH which we will identity as A, So in practical terms we can say that EVERYTHING ELSE that is NOT A (symbolized by /A, or not the same as A (=/=A) is false) . As a result if we can take one railroad track, and then measure if it is exactly parallel to the other, which is TRUTH, then we can say that both the tracks are therefore A, the TRUTH
There in another to the right turn/left turn dilemma: one is that both are wrong.
In the second example if both mates are right, but the first is thinking of the rugby match, which is in Adelaide next week, and not the football match this week., Therefore he tells you to make two lefts, and of course, then you will have a 3000 mile walkabout through the Outback. (Good luck on that! Hope that you are fluent in speaking Aṉaŋu!) it is still impossible and impractical to go to Melbourne via Adelaide especially of you start in Sidney. Therefore while the mate telling you to turn left sincerely believes in his heart that he is correct his advice will land you in heaps of trouble.
If the fact is correct that turning right a few times will place you on the Great Barrier Reef instead of your wanted destination, Melbourne, then that can be detected by closely examining the instructions that first mate gave to you. If you find any inconsistencies in those instructions, then you can come to the conclusion that both are incorrect, and that there is no such city as Melbourne.
But you check other sources such an atlas, and your GPS in your car. Both tell you that Melbourne does exist, other people before you found it, and then you find out that the guy who told you to make the right turns actually came from Melbourne, so surely you know how to get there.
THAT is exactly what you have to do in the case of the Bible vs the rest of the world's religions. The Bible alone is the standard, It judges everything else, not vice versa. Hope that helps you.
Speaking of help, I believe I may need help in geography because I just realized that a kiwi is a person from New Zealand, and the indigenous peoples are Maori. Oh well, the shame is on me!
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turnorburn
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Air said:
:yes
tob
:yes
tob
th1b.taylor
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My friend, I pray, have you read the Qur'an through? The Qur'an absolutely demands you to either pay for or to participate in Jihad and the 164 ?sutras? we call them verses, demand mine and my Jewish brothers extinction.
What say you?
The Gospels
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think so..
turnorburn
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For the 100th time "Yes" they worship the god of this world.. :yes
tob
tob
turnorburn
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Back on May 2 2013 Air said:
When Satan made that statement to Eve back in the garden "Hath God Said" it sure did leave a lasting impression.. and here we are debating about which translation is the best because its purer easier to understand.. was from the original Greek transcripts.. etc etc etc....
tob
When Satan made that statement to Eve back in the garden "Hath God Said" it sure did leave a lasting impression.. and here we are debating about which translation is the best because its purer easier to understand.. was from the original Greek transcripts.. etc etc etc....
tob
turnorburn
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By their fruits shall you know them..
IDF troops comb Palestinian village for Hebron killers
Israeli security forces were searching extensively Tuesday for the perpetrators of a terrorist attack on Passover eve Monday near the West Bank Tarqumiyah crossing, in which a 40-year-old Israeli was shot dead and his pregnant wife and son were injured on their way to a holiday Seder in Hebron.
Searches were focused on the nearby Palestinian village of Idhna, from which officials believed the gunman or gunmen originated, Channel 10 reported.
The village was closed off by IDF troops throughout the night as they combed its streets and houses for suspects. The closure was removed Tuesday morning, though roadblocks were set up at the village entrances and soldiers were checking residents as they came and went. Searches inside the village were also ongoing.
Security officials told Channel 10 they believed the attack to be an “independent” act, not one sponsored by one of the Palestinian terrorist groups in the region. Though Hamas and Islamic Jihad both praised the attack, they did not take credit for it.
As of late Tuesday morning, no arrests had been announced, and Channel 10 said there were no solid leads..
http://www.worthynews.com/top/timesofisrael-com-idf-troops-comb-palestinian-village-for-shooters-/
tob
IDF troops comb Palestinian village for Hebron killers
Israeli security forces were searching extensively Tuesday for the perpetrators of a terrorist attack on Passover eve Monday near the West Bank Tarqumiyah crossing, in which a 40-year-old Israeli was shot dead and his pregnant wife and son were injured on their way to a holiday Seder in Hebron.
Searches were focused on the nearby Palestinian village of Idhna, from which officials believed the gunman or gunmen originated, Channel 10 reported.
The village was closed off by IDF troops throughout the night as they combed its streets and houses for suspects. The closure was removed Tuesday morning, though roadblocks were set up at the village entrances and soldiers were checking residents as they came and went. Searches inside the village were also ongoing.
Security officials told Channel 10 they believed the attack to be an “independent” act, not one sponsored by one of the Palestinian terrorist groups in the region. Though Hamas and Islamic Jihad both praised the attack, they did not take credit for it.
As of late Tuesday morning, no arrests had been announced, and Channel 10 said there were no solid leads..
http://www.worthynews.com/top/timesofisrael-com-idf-troops-comb-palestinian-village-for-shooters-/
tob
jeff77
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I think mohammed and the quaran were after the time of Jesus. Mohammed acknowledges Jesus but says he is not the true prophet any longer. It is definitely an evil work.
turnorburn
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From a friend
A good article addressing how Islam is affecting the West
I took a 3-week course on Islam from an ex-Muslim from Pakistan, as well as attending 2 or 3 seminars taught by him. He taught us that, when Muslim children reach age 7, they are taught the prayers, and they are beaten if they do not pray them, starting at age 10.
What prayers are they taught? Well, there are five obligatory prayers in a day. The only supplication in the rak’a is the recitation of Al-Fatihah (Surah 1 of the Quran). While standing, the first chapter of the Quran is recited. As you pointed out, Doug, this chapter can be translated as follows:
“In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds. Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Master of the Day of Judgment. Thee (alone) we worship and Thee (alone) we ask for help. Show us the straight path. The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.” (1:1-1:7)
A similar translation gives that last part as follows:
"Guide us to the straight path, the path of those whom You have favored,
Not of those who have incurred your wrath, nor of those who have gone astray."
The phrase ‘those who have incurred your wrath” comes from Surah 2:61 which says:
"Shame and misery were stamped upon [the Israelites] and they incurred the wrath of Allah; because they disbelieved Allah’s signs and slew His prophets unjustly; because they were rebels and transgressors."
The phrase “those who have gone astray” comes from Surah 4:44 which says:
"Consider those to whom a portion of the Scriptures was given [i.e., Christians]. They purchase error for themselves and wish to see you go astray."
So, the only supplication in the standard Muslim prayer is asking Allah to keep the Muslim from the path of the Jews and Christians. This prayer is recited seventeen times a day by devout Muslims.
The Friday prayer is even more offensive to Jews and Christians, as it requires not only two recitations of Al-Fatihah, but also Surah 62 – The Friday Congregation – and Surah 63 – The Hypocrites. Surah 62 specifically condemns Gentiles as being "in gross error," and Jews are compared with "a donkey laden with books." Surah 63 condemns "hypocrites," those who have renounced their Muslim faith. "They are the enemy. Guard yourself against them."
The requirements for these prayers were established in "Reliance of the Traveler," paragraphs F8.17 and F18.12, over 600 years ago.
And yet, Obama said that the Muslim call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on earth at sunset.
In formal prayers at Mecca, Islam’s holiest ciFrom a friend I took a 3-week course on Islam from an ex-Muslim from Pakistan, as well as attending 2 or 3 seminars taught by him. He taught us that, when Muslim children reach age 7, they are taught the prayers, and they are beaten if they do not pray them, starting at age 10. What prayers are they taught? Well, there are five obligatory prayers in a day. The only supplication in the rak’a is the recitation of Al-Fatihah (Surah 1 of the Quran). While standing, the first chapter of the Quran is recited. As you pointed out, Doug, this chapter can be translated as follows: “In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds. Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Master of the Day of Judgment. Thee (alone) we worship and Thee (alone) we ask for help. Show us the straight path. The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.” (1:1-1:7) A similar translation gives that last part as follows: "Guide us to the straight path, the path of those whom You have favored, Not of those who have incurred your wrath, nor of those who have gone astray." The phrase ‘those who have incurred your wrath” comes from Surah 2:61 which says: "Shame and misery were stamped upon [the Israelites] and they incurred the wrath of Allah; because they disbelieved Allah’s signs and slew His prophets unjustly; because they were rebels and transgressors." The phrase “those who have gone astray” comes from Surah 4:44 which says: "Consider those to whom a portion of the Scriptures was given [i.e., Christians]. They purchase error for themselves and wish to see you go astray." So, the only supplication in the standard Muslim prayer is asking Allah to keep the Muslim from the path of the Jews and Christians. This prayer is recited seventeen times a day by devout Muslims. The Friday prayer is even more offensive to Jews and Christians, as it requires not only two recitations of Al-Fatihah, but also Surah 62 – The Friday Congregation – and Surah 63 – The Hypocrites. Surah 62 specifically condemns Gentiles as being "in gross error," and Jews are compared with "a donkey laden with books." Surah 63 condemns "hypocrites," those who have renounced their Muslim faith. "They are the enemy. Guard yourself against them." The requirements for these prayers were established in "Reliance of the Traveler," paragraphs F8.17 and F18.12, over 600 years ago. And yet, Obama said that the Muslim call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on earth at sunset. In formal prayers at Mecca, Islam’s holiest city (where you and I would never be allowed), as Muslims gathered around the Kaa‘ba, the following supplications were blasted on a megaphone, chanted to by Islam’s devotees: "O Allah, vanquish the unjust Christians and the criminal Jews, the unjust traitors; strike them with your wrath; make their lives hostage to misery; drape them with endless despair, unrelenting pain and unremitting ailment; fill their lives with sorrow and pain and end their lives in humiliation and oppression; inflict your tortures and punishments upon the unjust Christians and criminal Jews. This is our supplication; Allah, grant us our request!" In sharp contrast (to show how different Christianity is from Islam), the Bible tells us to “love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” It also tells us to love our neighbor. The Golden Rule comes from the Bible. (Matthew 7:12 - "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." Also, Luke 6:31 - And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise.") But there is no Golden Rule in Islam. tob
A good article addressing how Islam is affecting the West
I took a 3-week course on Islam from an ex-Muslim from Pakistan, as well as attending 2 or 3 seminars taught by him. He taught us that, when Muslim children reach age 7, they are taught the prayers, and they are beaten if they do not pray them, starting at age 10.
What prayers are they taught? Well, there are five obligatory prayers in a day. The only supplication in the rak’a is the recitation of Al-Fatihah (Surah 1 of the Quran). While standing, the first chapter of the Quran is recited. As you pointed out, Doug, this chapter can be translated as follows:
“In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds. Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Master of the Day of Judgment. Thee (alone) we worship and Thee (alone) we ask for help. Show us the straight path. The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.” (1:1-1:7)
A similar translation gives that last part as follows:
"Guide us to the straight path, the path of those whom You have favored,
Not of those who have incurred your wrath, nor of those who have gone astray."
The phrase ‘those who have incurred your wrath” comes from Surah 2:61 which says:
"Shame and misery were stamped upon [the Israelites] and they incurred the wrath of Allah; because they disbelieved Allah’s signs and slew His prophets unjustly; because they were rebels and transgressors."
The phrase “those who have gone astray” comes from Surah 4:44 which says:
"Consider those to whom a portion of the Scriptures was given [i.e., Christians]. They purchase error for themselves and wish to see you go astray."
So, the only supplication in the standard Muslim prayer is asking Allah to keep the Muslim from the path of the Jews and Christians. This prayer is recited seventeen times a day by devout Muslims.
The Friday prayer is even more offensive to Jews and Christians, as it requires not only two recitations of Al-Fatihah, but also Surah 62 – The Friday Congregation – and Surah 63 – The Hypocrites. Surah 62 specifically condemns Gentiles as being "in gross error," and Jews are compared with "a donkey laden with books." Surah 63 condemns "hypocrites," those who have renounced their Muslim faith. "They are the enemy. Guard yourself against them."
The requirements for these prayers were established in "Reliance of the Traveler," paragraphs F8.17 and F18.12, over 600 years ago.
And yet, Obama said that the Muslim call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on earth at sunset.
In formal prayers at Mecca, Islam’s holiest ciFrom a friend I took a 3-week course on Islam from an ex-Muslim from Pakistan, as well as attending 2 or 3 seminars taught by him. He taught us that, when Muslim children reach age 7, they are taught the prayers, and they are beaten if they do not pray them, starting at age 10. What prayers are they taught? Well, there are five obligatory prayers in a day. The only supplication in the rak’a is the recitation of Al-Fatihah (Surah 1 of the Quran). While standing, the first chapter of the Quran is recited. As you pointed out, Doug, this chapter can be translated as follows: “In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds. Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Master of the Day of Judgment. Thee (alone) we worship and Thee (alone) we ask for help. Show us the straight path. The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.” (1:1-1:7) A similar translation gives that last part as follows: "Guide us to the straight path, the path of those whom You have favored, Not of those who have incurred your wrath, nor of those who have gone astray." The phrase ‘those who have incurred your wrath” comes from Surah 2:61 which says: "Shame and misery were stamped upon [the Israelites] and they incurred the wrath of Allah; because they disbelieved Allah’s signs and slew His prophets unjustly; because they were rebels and transgressors." The phrase “those who have gone astray” comes from Surah 4:44 which says: "Consider those to whom a portion of the Scriptures was given [i.e., Christians]. They purchase error for themselves and wish to see you go astray." So, the only supplication in the standard Muslim prayer is asking Allah to keep the Muslim from the path of the Jews and Christians. This prayer is recited seventeen times a day by devout Muslims. The Friday prayer is even more offensive to Jews and Christians, as it requires not only two recitations of Al-Fatihah, but also Surah 62 – The Friday Congregation – and Surah 63 – The Hypocrites. Surah 62 specifically condemns Gentiles as being "in gross error," and Jews are compared with "a donkey laden with books." Surah 63 condemns "hypocrites," those who have renounced their Muslim faith. "They are the enemy. Guard yourself against them." The requirements for these prayers were established in "Reliance of the Traveler," paragraphs F8.17 and F18.12, over 600 years ago. And yet, Obama said that the Muslim call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on earth at sunset. In formal prayers at Mecca, Islam’s holiest city (where you and I would never be allowed), as Muslims gathered around the Kaa‘ba, the following supplications were blasted on a megaphone, chanted to by Islam’s devotees: "O Allah, vanquish the unjust Christians and the criminal Jews, the unjust traitors; strike them with your wrath; make their lives hostage to misery; drape them with endless despair, unrelenting pain and unremitting ailment; fill their lives with sorrow and pain and end their lives in humiliation and oppression; inflict your tortures and punishments upon the unjust Christians and criminal Jews. This is our supplication; Allah, grant us our request!" In sharp contrast (to show how different Christianity is from Islam), the Bible tells us to “love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” It also tells us to love our neighbor. The Golden Rule comes from the Bible. (Matthew 7:12 - "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." Also, Luke 6:31 - And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise.") But there is no Golden Rule in Islam. tob
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His_nee (Jeff)
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no one can beat Him. but in america, people are being overcome by islam/chrislam every day. (IN churches!!! )(and almost here)...
http://www.k9safesearch.com/search.jsp?q=chrislam&v=w
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His_nee (Jeff)
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it is a very dangerous alliance with false gods. a church that accepts it is no longer Christian.