[_ Old Earth _] Is Space Expanding?

[blunthitta4life]

I'm still waiting for you to defend your claims. You claimed:

There is no physics in heaven.

and

Yes, there is descriptions of heaven and the future, and today's physics don't apply!

Again, so me biblical support that physics are different in heaven.

 

[dad]

I'm still waiting for you to defend your claims. You claimed:



Again, so me biblical support that physics are different in heaven.

A city almost as big as the moon lands on earth. Impossible today, without tragic results. We will fly. Not possible today. We will never ever die, or get sick, we must have another state. Gold is transparent, not like gold in this state as well. Etc. We simply could not have our present state and laws as they are. Are you suggesting we could?

 

[blunthitta4life]

[/quote] A city almost as big as the moon lands on earth. Impossible today, without tragic results. We will fly. Not possible today. We will never ever die, or get sick, we must have another state. Gold is transparent, not like gold in this state as well. Etc. We simply could not have our present state and laws as they are. Are you suggesting we could?

So if the bible says that the sky is green, then the sky is green. Be careful with that kind of thinking.

 

[blunthitta4life]

[/quote] A city almost as big as the moon lands on earth. Impossible today, without tragic results. We will fly. Not possible today. We will never ever die, or get sick, we must have another state. Gold is transparent, not like gold in this state as well. Etc. We simply could not have our present state and laws as they are. Are you suggesting we could?

So if the bible says that the sky is green, then the sky is green. Be careful with that kind of thinking.

 

[dad]

A city almost as big as the moon lands on earth. Impossible today, without tragic results. We will fly. Not possible today. We will never ever die, or get sick, we must have another state. Gold is transparent, not like gold in this state as well. Etc. We simply could not have our present state and laws as they are. Are you suggesting we could?

So if the bible says that the sky is green, then the sky is green. Be careful with that kind of thinking.

In other words you do not believe the bible, be careful with that kind of thinking. The bible does not say the laws are different, or the heavens. You made a fundamental error in reasoning. It says that they will be, and there are many indications that it was in the far past as well. The science of the present fishbowl cannot say squat about it! They cannot go to infinity, and beyond!

 

[blunthitta4life]

Thats cute

 

[ÃÂoppleganger]

Ahh, nuthing but the sound of silence!

 

[dad]

Ahh, nuthing but the sound of silence!

I'll take it as agreement.

 

[ÃÂoppleganger]

We'll noone debating you will!

 

[dad]

We'll noone debating you will!

Then they will have some point I can squash. You don't seem to have any. Work on that.

 

[ÃÂoppleganger]

I doubt that, no one is listening to you and your falling for my trick, of just agruing with me! Maybe you can start your next thread on the same subject for the humpteenth time!

 

[dad]

I doubt that, no one is listening to you and your falling for my trick, of just agruing with me!

Thanks for the bizarre little commentary of what you think is going on. You are a tricky guy.

Maybe you can start your next thread on the same subject for the humpteenth time!

Is that like young elephant procreation??

 

[ÃÂoppleganger]

Is that like young elephant procreation??

Speaking of Bizzarre!

 

[dad]

Speaking of Bizzarre!

Getting back closer to topic, and away from whatever it is you are going on about, if the state of the universe were different in the past, all present assumptions are useless.
Including about whether space is actually expanding, etc.

Another thought, is - what if that different state past affected time? If, as we got further from the center of the universe, us, time sort of reversed? If that could be the case, when we see a SN, as the huge one recently, we may actually be seeing creation of a star in reverse. (??) So it looks to us like it is coming apart???! Just a thought. Anyone able to rule that out? Almost like watching a movie on rewind.

 

[Barbarian]

Once fantasy has free reign, anything is possible.

 

[dad]

Once fantasy has free reign, anything is possible.

Right. That is why your fantasy of what the state of the future and far past was, and will be needs to be challenged.

 

[Barbarian]

You know, dad, all your "it coulda been" and "it mighta been" comes under the heading of fantasy. On the other hand, science, as you learned earlier, depends on evidence.

If you'd simply accept scripture as it is, without all your additions, you'd be a lot closer to the truth.

 

[dad]

You know, dad, all your "it coulda been" and "it mighta been" comes under the heading of fantasy. On the other hand, science, as you learned earlier, depends on evidence.

In the present, where it applies, yes. In the far future or past, as we learned here, not at all.

If you'd simply accept scripture as it is, without all your additions, you'd be a lot closer to the truth.

Adam had eternal life, that could not be in this state world. The flood covered the earth, which also could not be now. Etc etc. The past is as different as the future. If you would believe the bible, rather than that should be obvious.

 

[Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
You know, dad, all your "it coulda been" and "it mighta been" comes under the heading of fantasy. On the other hand, science, as you learned earlier, depends on evidence.

In the present, where it applies, yes.

It applies everywhere. Your imagination is not a guide to reality.

Barbarian suggests:
If you'd simply accept scripture as it is, without all your additions, you'd be a lot closer to the truth.

Adam had eternal life, that could not be in this state world.

That's a good example of what I'm talking about. Nowhere in the Bible does it say Adam was immortal. Indeed, in Genesis, God expresses concern that he might become so.

The flood covered the earth, which also could not be now.

Many floods cover the earth, in the sense the Bible uses "earth" (eretz). The word does not mean the "whole world." It is used, for example to mean Israel.

If you would believe the bible,

That's the point. You make up all sorts of unbilbical things, and then attribute them to Scripture.

 

[dad]

Barbarian observes:
You know, dad, all your "it coulda been" and "it mighta been" comes under the heading of fantasy. On the other hand, science, as you learned earlier, depends on evidence.

You are the one that does that, then turns around and calls it science. You have no idea what the state of the future universe will be.

That's the point. You make up all sorts of unbilbical things, and then attribute them to Scripture.

Nothing unbiblical about Adam's eternal life, or the flood, or anything I listed. The future passing away of these heavens is a certainty. Don't sit there tapping out accusations that are false. You haven't begun to make any sort of bible case yet. You seem content on pretending to speak with authority, and doing nothing but blowing gas.