Is the bible still complete and intact?

[turnorburn]

What i meant was that i hold in my hand is the inerrant.. no mistakes.. no runs.. no drips.. no errors word of God..

 

[reba]

WOW what a wonderful treasure of antiquity ..

 

[turnorburn]

WOW what a wonderful treasure of antiquity ..

That's what i said the day i bought it, or words to that effect..

*edit: if anyone here thinks they have a bible with errors do what i did and ask the Lord to pick one out for you.

 

[Edward]

Before the bible was made into a book, they were all just seperate historical documents, there is heaps of documents, they just not in there. What we have in the bible I believe is historically reliable, but if others should be in there as well that were missed, possibly. For example, if Jude is worthy to be in the bible and mentions the book of Enoch as prophecy, then Enoch cant just be thrown away as rubbish.

I agree with you Brother. Some books used to be Canon but we're removed by Constantine, in his effort to unite the churches way back when.

I believe that the canonized books are good, but not necessarily the end all be all of the truth about God. There are (I think) three books in our canonized scripture that are quoted from or referenced in scripture, but are not included as Canon. These would be, the book of Enoch, the book of Jasher, and the book of Jubilees.

While they are not canon, they shouldn't be rejected on the basis of not being Canon alone. Being quoted from or even named, is an endorsement in my mind.

These books are synchronized (follow the same order & timeline of canonized scripture), endorsed (accepted through public declaration of being quoted from in scripture), and extra-biblical (outside the canonized scripture) texts. So may be useful to our spiritual growth, and perhaps help us to grow into more mature Christians.

A very safe (yet juvenile) position to hold is, if it's not in scripture (Canon), then leave it alone. I say juvenile because we are instructed to look to the scriptures in order for us to meet & greet (obtain salvation) our Lord, Jesus Christ...but these books are non-salvific in nature, and mostly just give more details to the stories in scripture so there's no harm that I can see by reading them.

Even the book of Enoch, which is vehemently rejected by many Christians because it's not scripture per se, but is said to be for a later generation. Enoch was perhaps the most righteous man spoken of in scripture (for God took him)...Christians admit this and respect the man, but get his book out of here...makes no sense to me.

Uhh, he was a scribe of God. His book fills in a lot of holes in the scripture stories, and makes it easier to understand scripture by the additional details it provides.

Christians say, it isn't in scripture so I don't believe it. To these I say, cell phones aren't in scripture, nor jet planes or automobiles...and yet you will believe in them. Huh.

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[th1b.taylor]

What i meant was that i hold in my hand is the inerrant.. no mistakes.. no runs.. no drips.. no errors word of God..

TOB,
I often support your posts but except you hold a hand penned Torah in your hand, you're wrong and at that it had to have been penned more than four thousand years ago. I do have a love for the KJV but it is a thought for thought translation of God's original scriptures.

 

[turnorburn]

If i believed Gods word "the one i hold in my hand" had errors in it Bill i wouldn't read it..

 

[th1b.taylor]

If i believed Gods word "the one i hold in my hand" had errors in it Bill i wouldn't read it..

And you're guilty of sin, just as are all, my friend. I never said there was an error but if I were to play tit for tat, would that be pleasing? Would that elevate me to or beyond your level?

 

[Obadiah]

What i meant was that i hold in my hand is the inerrant.. no mistakes.. no runs.. no drips.. no errors word of God..

TOB,
I often support your posts but except you hold a hand penned Torah in your hand, you're wrong and at that it had to have been penned more than four thousand years ago. I do have a love for the KJV but it is a thought for thought translation of God's original scriptures.

Absolutely correct, Bill. Any Bible scholar can verify this, and if he is referring to the KJV (as I'm sure he is) even those who made this translation stated that it is not an inherent translation, just that they did the best they could (which I freely admit was VERY good, especially for the tools and knowledge they had available to them at the time!) The truth of this statement on their part was proven by the numerous corrections that had to be made to the original KJV translation. Standard accepted Christian doctrine is that the scripture is correct and without error in the original manuscripts. Sorry, but you do not hold the original manuscripts in your hand because they no longer are in anyone's possession. This is not even an item of debate for any serious rational theologians.

 

[turnorburn]

Wasn't it the rational theologians that Jesus was running in to all the time?

Of course there are the new world order versions..

 

[turnorburn]

And you're guilty of sin, just as are all, my friend. I never said there was an error but if I were to play tit for tat, would that be pleasing? Would that elevate me to or beyond your level?

We are all on the same level in Gods eyes Bill, a few days after i was saved i asked the Lord the best version for me and then my hands fell on the one I'm still using today, I've seen the others, and for me they don't cut the mustard....

 

[Obadiah]

Wasn't it the rational theologians that Jesus was running in to all the time?

Of course there are the new world order versions..

No, this is just a common smoke screen used by many KJV only members to avoid dealing with inconvenient realities. We live in the year 2016AD, not 32AD. There were no Christian theologians in 32AD.

Oh, and I'm sure you'll ask, but no, I didn't watch the almost 2 hour long video you posted. I have a life in the real world and have just come home from a doctor's appointment after a 10 hour overnight shift, so no, I don't have that amount of time right now.

 

[turnorburn]

I've never seen such an attack on the KJV bible in all my years, it brings my mind to Paul's statement in..

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Those grievous wolves Paul spoke about haven't gone away, in fact their stepping up their attack..

 

[Free]

I've never seen such an attack on the KJV bible in all my years, it brings my mind to Paul's statement in..

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Those grievous wolves Paul spoke about haven't gone away, in fact their stepping up their attack..

"Of course there are the new world order versions.." Something about a pot and a kettle comes to mind.

 

[Obadiah]

I've never seen such an attack on the KJV bible in all my years, it brings my mind to Paul's statement in..

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Those grievous wolves Paul spoke about haven't gone away, in fact their stepping up their attack..

Must be talking about something in that video. I'l have to watch at least part of it I guess, when I can.

 

[turnorburn]

Our adversary doesn't need a pot and a kettle Free all he needs to do is get us to misconstrue Gods word like he did with Eve..

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

God never said "do not touch it" confusion leads to doubt a tool he masters quite well..

 

[turnorburn]

Must be talking about something in that video. I'l have to watch at least part of it I guess, when I can.

Its pretty interesting Obadiah, its not boring that's for sure..

 

[Free]

Our adversary doesn't need a pot and a kettle Free all he needs to do is get us to misconstrue Gods word like he did with Eve..

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

God never said "do not touch it" confusion leads to doubt a tool he masters quite well..

The KJV is a good version but may be inferior to some newer versions which are based on more manuscript evidence. Nearly every argument in the KJVO position boils down to name calling or question begging. Too bad most KJVOists can't see that. There really is no place for that in any Christian discussion, never mind one about Scripture.

 

[turnorburn]

I'm not name calling Free just pointing out Gods word is under attack, always has been, its worth a little time to see that video, they did a pretty good job putting it together..

 

[Obadiah]

Its pretty interesting Obadiah, its not boring that's for sure..

It's a shame that not even 4 minutes into it I've already caught him in a lie and a misquote of scripture to support his lie. I don't know how much more I'll watch. I'm afraid it's going to be a bunch of conspiracy theories backed by lies. But I'll try watching a little more I guess.

 

[Obadiah]

Don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against the KJV and use it often. I just disagree strongly with those who claim it is the only perfectly inspired word of God.