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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Vic C.
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LOL!Drew said:
Right now Drew, I am bummed out. There was an excellent three page topic here
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21439
but now there's only one post with 62 or so views. :-? What happened to the rest of the posts? :smt088 :smt090
Anyway, when gathering up all Biblical and Hebrew calendar evidence, I subscribe to a late Wed. death on the cross, but would accept a Thurs. if some calendar discrepancies are resolved.
I don't want to divert this topic; the link is there if this is something you wish to discuss. I believe I can get Tim_from_Pa to repost some of his material.
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Catholic Crusader said:
How do you know? I mean, KNOW. Why not 20 years, or 1 year?
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Jesus is coming back soon.
Jesus has only been gone for 2 days: 7: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9: The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11: Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Jesus is coming back soon! It might be in your lifetime!!
Patience and perserverence.
Jesus has only been gone for 2 days: 7: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9: The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11: Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Jesus is coming back soon! It might be in your lifetime!!
Patience and perserverence.
C
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Well, I don't know. I'm hoping to live to about 80 or so, unless a bus runs me down. Either way, my point is: Our relationship with God at the moment of our death is what is important - that is the "End" which should concern us. To me, End Times hype is little more than a vehicle to sell sensational books (which are usually filled with bogus theology).Biblereader said:
Christ was crucified on the eve of Passover, which was Friday, and the Bible does teach that. In the definition of a Hebrew of that time, if it happened on Friday, the time would be irrelevant, Friday would be Friday, and would be counted as a day.
Then there was all day Saturday, then Christ arose sometime early on Sunday morning, also a day.
So there is your three days, no not 72 hours, but unfortunately that is the way we think it has to be. In the evaluation of a Hebrew of that time, it would be three days.
Don't forget their day was from sunset, to sunset. Not 12 Am to 12 Am as we count a day. Before Sunset on Friday would be friday. Sunset on Saturday started Sunday. So go figure, and you will see it was counted three days.
Then there was all day Saturday, then Christ arose sometime early on Sunday morning, also a day.
So there is your three days, no not 72 hours, but unfortunately that is the way we think it has to be. In the evaluation of a Hebrew of that time, it would be three days.
Don't forget their day was from sunset, to sunset. Not 12 Am to 12 Am as we count a day. Before Sunset on Friday would be friday. Sunset on Saturday started Sunday. So go figure, and you will see it was counted three days.
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I guess I do not really agree with what I see you as saying here. God's kingdom is being built right now. History is going somewhere. We are, or should be, involved in building for God's kingdom right now. God is not simply redeeming us as separate individuals. So we should not only be concerned about our relationship with God. We should be concerned about where God's overall kingdom project is headed.Catholic Crusader said:
Perhaps I have misunderstood you. In that case, a thousand pardons.
C
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Perhaps I should rephrase: Some people are disproportionaly obsessed with End Times stuff, and it doesnt help feed the poor or care for the sick. Some people spend endless hours trying to figure out that which cannot be figured out, when they could be doing the work of Christ the way Mother Theresa did.
I don't give a hoot about when the end comes, who the antichrist is, and all that other jazz. My concern is giving an account for myself when I meet God.
I don't give a hoot about when the end comes, who the antichrist is, and all that other jazz. My concern is giving an account for myself when I meet God.
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Drew, I have no doubt that God will intervene and keep man from completely destroying the earth. In fact, a lot of destruction will happen to the earth when God begins to pour out his wrath.Drew said:
I don't understand all the terminology that's used to describe the events that are taking place, but I have no doubt there will be widespread destruction before Jesus comes back and renews the earth.
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Jeshurun
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even at the doors
the four horsemen are not messegers of God, but the beginning of the end.
The white horse is (Michael) the red horse (Satan) the black horse is judgement our work will be weighed the pale horse is of course Death and Hell. Folks we are closer to the end then anyone knows. Nobody, but the Father knows. We have been given the signs. The signs are upon us even signs that not all have seen. I will touch more on this later.
Jeshurun
the four horsemen are not messegers of God, but the beginning of the end.
The white horse is (Michael) the red horse (Satan) the black horse is judgement our work will be weighed the pale horse is of course Death and Hell. Folks we are closer to the end then anyone knows. Nobody, but the Father knows. We have been given the signs. The signs are upon us even signs that not all have seen. I will touch more on this later.
Jeshurun
samuel said:
Drew, this end is not near, it is here. The writers of the new testament were emphatically clear on this. Hebrews states that once God spoke to the fathers by the prophets, but has in these last days spoken to us by his Son. Also in the book of Hebrews it says that now once in the end of the world has he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
I use to worry about the world ending. It was actually a wonderful thing to know that the world that then was (the one ruled by sin through the law bringing death to all mankind) ended at the sacrifice of Christ (which sacrifice was pictured by all the Jewish sacrifice done through out the years). Now the world (New heaven and New earth) is ruled by the grace of Christ. The picture is complete, now all who will believe is saved from that which we have feared all our lives- which is death. Death is what we have all feared and the book of Hebrews states that Christ came to free those who all their lifetimes were subject to some kind of bondage because they feared death. Now we are truely freed indeed when we no longer fear death.
The end of the world took place with the teachings of Christ who told us who God was, our Father, and who we are, the breath (spirit) of God that is within us (not the flesh that is simply dust of the ground anyway). Knowing that we are not the dust of the ground (the flesh) is great because we don't have to fear it dying. It was only alive because the breath of God (you) are in it anyway. When God takes that spirit (you) back to himself (home) the flesh goes back to what it really is, the dust of the ground.
Knowing that is being in the New Heaven and the New Earth where all things are made new, and old things are passed away. It is simply becoming a new creature which happens when you believe the news that Christ brought (God's identity and your identity). So, the end is not a frightful thing, but a beautiful thing. And nothing to be feared, except for the flesh, it is judged and cast where it belongs, in the flames of decomposition. We are so much more than flesh. Knowing that changes everything, and all things become new.
As long as people don't believe this message of Good news, they will be in unnecessary fear and confusion, and act as people who are in darkness.
Check it out in the bible. It seems to be splashed through out the new testament, and foretold of in the old testament. God is great! He's our Father. We are his very breath, we are the reason He has done all he has done. Don't worry if you don't understand it all. He does. And he's doing it for our good. This physical death we experience will only be a reminder throughout eternity of how good it is to be alive forever.
I use to worry about the world ending. It was actually a wonderful thing to know that the world that then was (the one ruled by sin through the law bringing death to all mankind) ended at the sacrifice of Christ (which sacrifice was pictured by all the Jewish sacrifice done through out the years). Now the world (New heaven and New earth) is ruled by the grace of Christ. The picture is complete, now all who will believe is saved from that which we have feared all our lives- which is death. Death is what we have all feared and the book of Hebrews states that Christ came to free those who all their lifetimes were subject to some kind of bondage because they feared death. Now we are truely freed indeed when we no longer fear death.
The end of the world took place with the teachings of Christ who told us who God was, our Father, and who we are, the breath (spirit) of God that is within us (not the flesh that is simply dust of the ground anyway). Knowing that we are not the dust of the ground (the flesh) is great because we don't have to fear it dying. It was only alive because the breath of God (you) are in it anyway. When God takes that spirit (you) back to himself (home) the flesh goes back to what it really is, the dust of the ground.
Knowing that is being in the New Heaven and the New Earth where all things are made new, and old things are passed away. It is simply becoming a new creature which happens when you believe the news that Christ brought (God's identity and your identity). So, the end is not a frightful thing, but a beautiful thing. And nothing to be feared, except for the flesh, it is judged and cast where it belongs, in the flames of decomposition. We are so much more than flesh. Knowing that changes everything, and all things become new.
As long as people don't believe this message of Good news, they will be in unnecessary fear and confusion, and act as people who are in darkness.
Check it out in the bible. It seems to be splashed through out the new testament, and foretold of in the old testament. God is great! He's our Father. We are his very breath, we are the reason He has done all he has done. Don't worry if you don't understand it all. He does. And he's doing it for our good. This physical death we experience will only be a reminder throughout eternity of how good it is to be alive forever.
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Samuel
I am only giving to you what has been given to me. I don't have to check my barn for it is not my horses that have gotten out. I asked the Rancher and He told me, "yes, Jeshurun, I have called thee and what you are telling the people is from me".
If one of you came up to me and said, "hey I've been called by God," to do whatever it is you have been called to do. I wouldn't doubt it. The reason being is that throughout my life God has worked such miracles, but if one of you had come to me and said, "hey I've been called by God to announce the end of mankind." I would say, WOE, how do you know that?" Then I would hear you out. Not one of you have asked for the story. I even told you that I have called out of America and nobody can see how big of a thing this is. I had a business going in America. I had possessions that I was happy to have. Life was going on. God called me and I gave it all up. I mean everything I gave up. I'd do it again too. This is someone that is coming to you to pass on the words that I have been given. What I am getting back is criticism. I have come to you and said this is what God is giving me, but you are coming back to me and saying maybe so, but this is what we have been taught by who "MAN".
Samuel, I am not criticising what you thought the horsemen are. You are saying what you have been taught they are. I am giving you a different way to look at the bible. I am giving to you what God has given to me. God has given me the starting point and I am trying to pass it along. i know people are skeptical, i know that. I would be too. I am talking completely different then anyone else has. I am not a soothe sayer, that is what people want. They will only hear what they want to hear. They want to hear things like Revelation is not here, this will happen in the future. They say they believe in Jesus and this makes it OK, my soul is saved. That is a false statement. You have got to believe in Jesus Christ with all of your heart, with all of your being. The Kingdom of God is upon us. Read of me Samuel. Read the words that God spoke. Read Isaiah 42-44. This person, Samuel, is me and if it seems this persons life is running parallel to Jesus that is because it is. We are to live Christ like. I love Jesus Christ, I love him with all that I am. I am a prisoner of Christ. That should sound familar to you out there. The apostle Paul said the same thing. I know now what he was speaking of. I know God is there. I am not living by faith alone. I have seen the arms of God. i am a living breathing witness to God almighty.
The Burden
He carried His own cross which was heavy on His back.
He carried something heavier we made sure of that.
He asked God almighty why has thou forsaken me.
He told us how much He loved us as He dragged that big old tree.
We turned our back on Him and said find your own way.
In fact we are still doing it each and every day.
No one is perfect it's just not in us to be, that's
why Jesus died for us through Him we are set free.
So close your eyes and hang your head and remember
Him in silence so He can remember you and you shall
escape all the violence.
For those of you who say it's already here
I advise you to open the Book in there it stated clear.
God is going to shake this earth and then we all will
know He's the Creator, the Redeemer and the one that loves us
so.
Fear Him for He's jealous and refuses to be number two.
Love Him to the end as He has loved you.
Jeshurun
I am only giving to you what has been given to me. I don't have to check my barn for it is not my horses that have gotten out. I asked the Rancher and He told me, "yes, Jeshurun, I have called thee and what you are telling the people is from me".
If one of you came up to me and said, "hey I've been called by God," to do whatever it is you have been called to do. I wouldn't doubt it. The reason being is that throughout my life God has worked such miracles, but if one of you had come to me and said, "hey I've been called by God to announce the end of mankind." I would say, WOE, how do you know that?" Then I would hear you out. Not one of you have asked for the story. I even told you that I have called out of America and nobody can see how big of a thing this is. I had a business going in America. I had possessions that I was happy to have. Life was going on. God called me and I gave it all up. I mean everything I gave up. I'd do it again too. This is someone that is coming to you to pass on the words that I have been given. What I am getting back is criticism. I have come to you and said this is what God is giving me, but you are coming back to me and saying maybe so, but this is what we have been taught by who "MAN".
Samuel, I am not criticising what you thought the horsemen are. You are saying what you have been taught they are. I am giving you a different way to look at the bible. I am giving to you what God has given to me. God has given me the starting point and I am trying to pass it along. i know people are skeptical, i know that. I would be too. I am talking completely different then anyone else has. I am not a soothe sayer, that is what people want. They will only hear what they want to hear. They want to hear things like Revelation is not here, this will happen in the future. They say they believe in Jesus and this makes it OK, my soul is saved. That is a false statement. You have got to believe in Jesus Christ with all of your heart, with all of your being. The Kingdom of God is upon us. Read of me Samuel. Read the words that God spoke. Read Isaiah 42-44. This person, Samuel, is me and if it seems this persons life is running parallel to Jesus that is because it is. We are to live Christ like. I love Jesus Christ, I love him with all that I am. I am a prisoner of Christ. That should sound familar to you out there. The apostle Paul said the same thing. I know now what he was speaking of. I know God is there. I am not living by faith alone. I have seen the arms of God. i am a living breathing witness to God almighty.
The Burden
He carried His own cross which was heavy on His back.
He carried something heavier we made sure of that.
He asked God almighty why has thou forsaken me.
He told us how much He loved us as He dragged that big old tree.
We turned our back on Him and said find your own way.
In fact we are still doing it each and every day.
No one is perfect it's just not in us to be, that's
why Jesus died for us through Him we are set free.
So close your eyes and hang your head and remember
Him in silence so He can remember you and you shall
escape all the violence.
For those of you who say it's already here
I advise you to open the Book in there it stated clear.
God is going to shake this earth and then we all will
know He's the Creator, the Redeemer and the one that loves us
so.
Fear Him for He's jealous and refuses to be number two.
Love Him to the end as He has loved you.
Jeshurun
I didn’t base my statement on what I have been told, but simply from Bible study. I don’t agree with much of popular end time events, as depicted by the “Left Behind†series, and current pre-trib doctrine.
All that aside, a study of Matthew 24, and our Lords description of the things to watch for, reveal much what of the horsemen are about. Remember Revelation is about “things past, things present, and things futureâ€Â, not all in the future. The four horsemen are signs from Christ's first advent, until his second coming, and reveal to those watching the unfolding of these events. All but the last horse have ridden, or - are now riding. All that is necessary is to look about, and you will see them. How long now before the last one arrives, no one knows?. But I will venture a guess, with current situations, it won’t to be long.
Yes I will agree we are in the end times, and probably much further than most think. If I miss the boat on my estimation (which does not include date setting), than so be it, others have missed long before me. After all! no one knows the times, except the Father in Heaven. The rest of us, have to depend on the spirits influence on our vision. And that all depends on our relationship to our Lord, and his influence in our lives. Whether we can see it or not!.
All that aside, a study of Matthew 24, and our Lords description of the things to watch for, reveal much what of the horsemen are about. Remember Revelation is about “things past, things present, and things futureâ€Â, not all in the future. The four horsemen are signs from Christ's first advent, until his second coming, and reveal to those watching the unfolding of these events. All but the last horse have ridden, or - are now riding. All that is necessary is to look about, and you will see them. How long now before the last one arrives, no one knows?. But I will venture a guess, with current situations, it won’t to be long.
Yes I will agree we are in the end times, and probably much further than most think. If I miss the boat on my estimation (which does not include date setting), than so be it, others have missed long before me. After all! no one knows the times, except the Father in Heaven. The rest of us, have to depend on the spirits influence on our vision. And that all depends on our relationship to our Lord, and his influence in our lives. Whether we can see it or not!.
J
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Samuel
The things in Revelation were the future. There is a few verses in Revelation that back this up.
The first is :
Revelation 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 22:6
And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
Both verses speak of the future: (shortly come to pass,) and (shortly be done.)
I can not speak of horse 3 and 4 for that has not been revealed to me yet. The bible is very complex more complex than people know. If God does not reveal it to you, you can be the best professor in the world or the best minister or the best whatever and you are not going to get it. The bible on the other hand is very clear. It is a guide on how to live our lives. In the end it will not matter whether one can define the acts of God or not. The bible speaks of love, but the upmost is the love for God and the next the love for one another. As long as we can hold on to these two we can not go wrong. As long as we can hold on to these two the evil that is in each and everyone of us can not rule.
The first horse is Michael. He was the one to lead us into Revelation. He and his angels fought the Red dragon and prevailed.
The second horse is Satan. He and his angels also fought and prevailed not and were cast down to the earth.
The walk I did for our Lord was performed on 11-11-07. The walk lasted from sunrise until sunset and I had the Father with me the whole time. I don't expect anyone to except this even though it is in the bible. God has made me to understand. In fact if you read about the Abomination that makes Desolate spoken of in Mark 13 in paranthesis it states (let him that readeth understand.)
I just want to state once again. Pray and ask forgiveness always.
Jeshurun
The things in Revelation were the future. There is a few verses in Revelation that back this up.
The first is :
Revelation 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 22:6
And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
Both verses speak of the future: (shortly come to pass,) and (shortly be done.)
I can not speak of horse 3 and 4 for that has not been revealed to me yet. The bible is very complex more complex than people know. If God does not reveal it to you, you can be the best professor in the world or the best minister or the best whatever and you are not going to get it. The bible on the other hand is very clear. It is a guide on how to live our lives. In the end it will not matter whether one can define the acts of God or not. The bible speaks of love, but the upmost is the love for God and the next the love for one another. As long as we can hold on to these two we can not go wrong. As long as we can hold on to these two the evil that is in each and everyone of us can not rule.
The first horse is Michael. He was the one to lead us into Revelation. He and his angels fought the Red dragon and prevailed.
The second horse is Satan. He and his angels also fought and prevailed not and were cast down to the earth.
The walk I did for our Lord was performed on 11-11-07. The walk lasted from sunrise until sunset and I had the Father with me the whole time. I don't expect anyone to except this even though it is in the bible. God has made me to understand. In fact if you read about the Abomination that makes Desolate spoken of in Mark 13 in paranthesis it states (let him that readeth understand.)
I just want to state once again. Pray and ask forgiveness always.
Jeshurun
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Vic
Newton is wrong. I am also not a date setter, that is up to the Father, but the days to the Abomination of Desolation are being counted down. That has been revealed to me and if Satan knows his time is short. i would have to say that it is in the not to distant future. Watch and Pray.
Jeshurun
Newton is wrong. I am also not a date setter, that is up to the Father, but the days to the Abomination of Desolation are being counted down. That has been revealed to me and if Satan knows his time is short. i would have to say that it is in the not to distant future. Watch and Pray.
Jeshurun
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wanted to add
It is like I said unless God has revealed the scriptures to you, you can be a professor, a minister, you can be the best at all and still the meaning will illude you. Rather than trusting in Newton trust in God and the prophets in which he has sent. It is better to be caught with your pants on, than your pants down.
Jeshurun
It is like I said unless God has revealed the scriptures to you, you can be a professor, a minister, you can be the best at all and still the meaning will illude you. Rather than trusting in Newton trust in God and the prophets in which he has sent. It is better to be caught with your pants on, than your pants down.
Jeshurun