IS THE END OF THE WORLD NEAR

[KenEOTE]

I don't think the end of the world is near. I don't think the world is going to end. I think Christ is going to return though. In fact I think that his return is closer today then it was yesterday, but not as close as it will be tomorrow. Wrap you head around that.

 

[Catholic Crusader]

I don't think the end of the world is near. I don't think the world is going to end. I think Christ is going to return though. In fact I think that his return is closer today then it was yesterday, but not as close as it will be tomorrow. Wrap you head around that.

Now THAT is a great answer!

 

[KenEOTE]

Thanks I came to this conclusion after years of deep meditation.

 

[Jeshurun]

nadab

You lost me some where in there. It is like I have said before, "take the words for face value."
When Jesus's disciples asked what would be the end. They meant just that. How can we tell when the end is near.

I have given my testimony on this site. Look it up if you will. I am going to add some more to it. God has called me to announce his return. some out there are looking around them just like the last post on this thread and saying the end is not near. The end is near and it is nearer then most of you think. Go to my post. Under the title "the appointed time." The story is faithful and true. If it were not I would not say it. I am going to define the first four horses again. This is not man defining this for you. I was told this by the Holy Spirit. Look the thread up!!!

Jeshurun

 

[Gilligan]

I mean cyclones, earthquakes ... who knows what next ... everything seems to be moving downwards

Only God knows when the world will end.

 

[turnorburn]

:smt017 Gilligan you haven't aged a day, but I regress, lets see what the scriptures say, then look around at the signs of the times. There like reading the weather, a storm of "devastating proportion is headed our way"

Go to II Peter chapter 3

1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

 

[Catholic Crusader]

Only God knows when the world will end.

Yup.
The simple posts can often be the best.

 

[turnorburn]

Yup!

 

[freeway]

first ....Gilligan.. where is Mary Ann :-D loved her on that island... :wink:
Second... welcome...

now I do believe the end is near, the end to the way life has been for thousands of years, Jesus will return and set up His kingdom.. and those who aren't ready or just don't care and say there's no Jesus............well ouch for them.......... :

come Lord Jesus.....................

 

[turnorburn]

Of course it is near even at the doors Jesus said when we see Jerusalem surrounded
by armies his coming was very close very close indeed. There is and always has been a world wide effort to eradicate the Jews, Egypt tried it Babylon is trying it and don't forget Adolf he tried it with a lot of help from his friends. Jews are despised Jesus was despised and rejected, what more "Proof do we need" did we have the nuclear age 75 years ago 100 years ago, no its a new add-on. He will return in all of his glory the entire universe will light up with his glory, only this time as the Lion Of Judah not the sacrificial Lamb.

 

[nadab]

Hello Jeshurun,
Probably the reason why you were "lost" in reading the explanation on the "end of the world" is because the King James Bible, along with some others, renders Matthew 24:3 as Jesus disciples asking: "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Thus, many have the impression that the disciples were asking concerning Jesus "second coming".

However, these were not requesting for Jesus to explain concerning his "coming", but rather his "presence". The basic Greek word for "coming" (expecting one's arrival) is er´kho·mai, while the Greek word that the disciples used was parousia, meaning "presence".(online interlinear, Scripture4all meaning literally "to be beside"; Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson; The New Testament in the Original Greek by Westcott and Hort) In answering their composite question, he used the Greek word parousia at Matthew 24:27, 37 and 39 and paralleled his "presence" to the "days of Noah", a time period of 120 years up to and inclusive of the global deluge.(Gen 6:3)

On the other hand, at Matthew 24:30, Jesus spoke of his "coming", when the "end of the world" was now clearly apparent to all on the earth, saying "And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming (Greek erkhomenon) on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

At this point in time, the "end of the world" or "conclusion (Greek syn·te·lei´as, meaning "joint end; combination end; ending together") of the system of things (Greek ai·o´nos, meaning "order of things") is now at hand and of which Jesus warned to "pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with overeating and heavy drinking and anxieties of life, and suddenly that day be instantly upon you as a snare. For it will come upon all those dwelling upon the face of all the earth."(Luke 21:34,35)

Many Bibles fail to properly render the Greek word parousia in all the places it is used and thus misdirects their readers. There are a couple of places that the King James Bible does render correctly parousia as "presence", as at 2 Corinthians 10:10,11 and Philippians 2:12, which contrasts the apostle Paul's "presence" with his "absence". Understanding the clear distinction between Jesus "presence" and "coming" is very important. It is like being given a map of a large city that has the streets mislabeled. One would easily become "lost". The Bible is not to be like that, for one should be able to "navigate" through it in order to gain the "very knowledge of God".(Prov 2:5)

When Jesus was enthroned as king by God in 1914, his invisible "presence" and ride on the "white horse" began, followed by a series of three other ' horses'.(Rev 6:2-8) Since then, the world has been steadily deteriorating, both morally and ecologically. At the same time, Jesus said that a global witness work would be accomplished, saying that "this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come."(Matt 24:14)

While this work is being done, most will never recognize that we are living during Jesus invisible "presence", just those who lived just prior to the Noachian flood did not realize that a critical time was approaching. As a result, these "took no note until the flood came and swept them all away," and Jesus then said, "so the presence of the Son of man will be."(Matt 24:39) He further said that the vast majority of mankind would be "eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark.....so the presence of the Son of man will be."(Matt 24:38,39)

The apostle Peter identified Jesus invisible "presence" with the "last days", saying: "For you know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their desires and saying: "Where is this promised presence (Greek parousia) of his ?" Some today doubt that conditions are worsening, saying: "Why from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as from creation's beginning."(2 Peter 3:3,4)

We are at the close of the "conclusion of the system of things", in which "that day (of judgment will) be instantly upon....all those dwelling upon the face of all the earth."(Luke 21:34,35) There is now a dividing work of which individuals will be judged as either a "sheep" or a "goat", based upon their "exercising faith in (Jesus) name",(John 1:12; 3:16) when Jesus sits down to judge the nations.(Matt 25:31-33 The "sheep" are following Jesus "steps closely", "stripping off the old personality" and putting on the "new personality" that Jesus exemplified,(Col 3:9,10) and fulfilling the command to "make disciples of people of all the nations".(Matt 28:19,20)

On the other hand, the "goats" are not willing to measure up to God's requirements to please him, disinclined to bring their life in harmony with God. At Ezekiel 9, there is noted a ' marking ' work that a "man...clothed with linen, with a secretary's inkhorn at his hips" does. Those "sighing and groaning" are marked as worthy of survival, whereas the "goats" are not marked for survival,(Eze 9:5,6) through the "great tribulation". Only those who have "washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb" will pass through this cataclysmic event.(Rev 7:14,15)

 

[Jeshurun]

good morning nadab
It is as I have said. The white horse is "Michael". The red horse is "Satan". The black horse is "judgement". The pale horse is "Death with Hell following."

Your doctrine is strange to me. I ,myself, read the King James version of the bible. This bible is what God has called me from and the reading matches what God had me do for him. The teachings I have received from God match the scriptures in this version. I did not know the scriptures by heart and yet I followed them and now what I read is matching.

Jesus Christ has not yet returned, but it is very shortly. I can only go by the verses God has given to me. Please read my post under "end of days bible prophecy" titled, "the appointed time."

The appointed time is upon us. God has renamed me. The tribulation period has begun. My post will tell the story.

Jeshurun

 

[turnorburn]

Hello Jeshurun,
Probably the reason why you were "lost" in reading the explanation on the "end of the world" is because the King James Bible, along with some others, renders Matthew 24:3 as Jesus disciples asking: "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Thus, many have the impression that the disciples were asking concerning Jesus "second coming".

However, these were not requesting for Jesus to explain concerning his "coming", but rather his "presence". The basic Greek word for "coming" (expecting one's arrival) is er´kho·mai, while the Greek word that the disciples used was parousia, meaning "presence".(online interlinear, Scripture4all meaning literally "to be beside"; Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson; The New Testament in the Original Greek by Westcott and Hort) In answering their composite question, he used the Greek word parousia at Matthew 24:27, 37 and 39 and paralleled his "presence" to the "days of Noah", a time period of 120 years up to and inclusive of the global deluge.(Gen 6:3)

On the other hand, at Matthew 24:30, Jesus spoke of his "coming", when the "end of the world" was now clearly apparent to all on the earth, saying "And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming (Greek erkhomenon) on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

At this point in time, the "end of the world" or "conclusion (Greek syn·te·lei´as, meaning "joint end; combination end; ending together") of the system of things (Greek ai·o´nos, meaning "order of things") is now at hand and of which Jesus warned to "pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with overeating and heavy drinking and anxieties of life, and suddenly that day be instantly upon you as a snare. For it will come upon all those dwelling upon the face of all the earth."(Luke 21:34,35)

Many Bibles fail to properly render the Greek word parousia in all the places it is used and thus misdirects their readers. There are a couple of places that the King James Bible does render correctly parousia as "presence", as at 2 Corinthians 10:10,11 and Philippians 2:12, which contrasts the apostle Paul's "presence" with his "absence". Understanding the clear distinction between Jesus "presence" and "coming" is very important. It is like being given a map of a large city that has the streets mislabeled. One would easily become "lost". The Bible is not to be like that, for one should be able to "navigate" through it in order to gain the "very knowledge of God".(Prov 2:5)

When Jesus was enthroned as king by God in 1914, his invisible "presence" and ride on the "white horse" began, followed by a series of three other ' horses'.(Rev 6:2-8) Since then, the world has been steadily deteriorating, both morally and ecologically. At the same time, Jesus said that a global witness work would be accomplished, saying that "this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come."(Matt 24:14)

While this work is being done, most will never recognize that we are living during Jesus invisible "presence", just those who lived just prior to the Noachian flood did not realize that a critical time was approaching. As a result, these "took no note until the flood came and swept them all away," and Jesus then said, "so the presence of the Son of man will be."(Matt 24:39) He further said that the vast majority of mankind would be "eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark.....so the presence of the Son of man will be."(Matt 24:38,39)

The apostle Peter identified Jesus invisible "presence" with the "last days", saying: "For you know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their desires and saying: "Where is this promised presence (Greek parousia) of his ?" Some today doubt that conditions are worsening, saying: "Why from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as from creation's beginning."(2 Peter 3:3,4)

We are at the close of the "conclusion of the system of things", in which "that day (of judgment will) be instantly upon....all those dwelling upon the face of all the earth."(Luke 21:34,35) There is now a dividing work of which individuals will be judged as either a "sheep" or a "goat", based upon their "exercising faith in (Jesus) name",(John 1:12; 3:16) when Jesus sits down to judge the nations.(Matt 25:31-33 The "sheep" are following Jesus "steps closely", "stripping off the old personality" and putting on the "new personality" that Jesus exemplified,(Col 3:9,10) and fulfilling the command to "make disciples of people of all the nations".(Matt 28:19,20)

On the other hand, the "goats" are not willing to measure up to God's requirements to please him, disinclined to bring their life in harmony with God. At Ezekiel 9, there is noted a ' marking ' work that a "man...clothed with linen, with a secretary's inkhorn at his hips" does. Those "sighing and groaning" are marked as worthy of survival, whereas the "goats" are not marked for survival,(Eze 9:5,6) through the "great tribulation". Only those who have "washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb" will pass through this cataclysmic event.(Rev 7:14,15)

 

[KenEOTE]

For some of us the end of the world is closer then others.

 

[Catholic Crusader]

For some of us the end of the world is closer then others.

Yup. Like I said on page 2 of this thread:

The end of the world will be in about 35 years... ...for me, that is, And thats the only end that should concern us. End Times hype, from what I can see, does not improve our walk in Christ one iota.

 

[Jeshurun]

Catholic Crusader
if what you say is of a truth than Jesus would not have told us what to watch for as signs for the end of times. Does it improve our relationship with him? This I can not say that is between an individual and the Lord, but I do know this. God has promised us this is not a world without end. The signs are unfolding right before our eyes.
I have even shared one of these signs.

I want the people out there to know this. I understand that you can not understand what this walk had to do with the end of times. It is not clear in the bible why this walk was important. God is the only one that can clarify and define why this walk was part of the prophecies. The walk is in Luke, but you can not know that unless God intervenes and makes you aware and I believe that he will not. We are to believe in Jesus Christ with all of our being. We are going to have to be willing to make sacrifices for him. What those sacrifices will be is between that person and God. No man can define to you what it might be. I do know this. The time of evil is going to be strong. The temptations are going to pull many in. Those that have Jesus Christ in them can pull through. The reins are going to be tight. Trust God with all that you are and let him work for you and we can all make it to the Kingdom we have been promised.

Jeshurun

 

[KenEOTE]

Trust God with all that you are and let him work for you and we can all make it to the Kingdom we have been promised.

Why are you waiting for the kingdom? Is it not the work of the believer to bring the kingdom here and now? We have the power of the Holy Spirit in us to do great things for God now.
Even in the prayer that Jesus taught he said:
Your Kingdom come your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

That means we should be wanting his Kingdom and Power to arrive today. His church, his bride is suppose to reveal the kingdom and the power of God to this earth. We are to unleash the Power of the Holy Spirit in our lives.

 

[Jeshurun]

Ken
my kingdom does not rest on this earth. My kingdom is not of man. My peace rest with our Lord. I am a child of God's and I am ready to go home.

Jeshurun

 

[Catholic Crusader]

Catholic Crusader
if what you say is of a truth than Jesus would not have told us what to watch for as signs for the end of times....

Watching for the signs is fine. But making a multi-million dollar industry out of bogus theology is just scare mongering. (Remember Y2K ?) Jesus ALSO said that no one knows the day or the hour, and His two greatest commandments are to love God and neighbor.

All I am saying is, we should be Christlike and help our fellow man, and let the end come when it comes. Better to volunteer for two hours in a soup kitchen helping the needy than to waste two hours watching "Left Behind" nonsense.

 

[turnorburn]

"jeshurun" you remind me of this guy here, lost confused and empty, you say
your kingdom, that shows me you believe in kingdoms, the devil believes
also. Your a child of God which one?

Thanks,
turnorburn

Ken
my kingdom does not rest on this earth. My kingdom is not of man. My peace rest with our Lord. I am a child of God's and I am ready to go home.

Jeshurun