Is the Word of God black and white?

[westtexas]

I'm in a debate with a friend of mine and would like to know what y'all think. I believe that the Word of God is black and white and that the only gray areas (and there are many of them) are the areas that I don't understand. The more that I study the larger the black/white areas become. I know that there will be gray areas until the day that I meet my Lord face to face but that day ALL of God's Word will be black and white. It seems to me that if there was an intentional gray area in God's Word that it would be the same as God saying "It doesn't matter to me, do as you chose" and I don't believe God has written his Word that way. I believe God's Word is black and white.
What do y'all think?

Westtexas

 

[jasoncran]

I believe that many of laws of the word of god are black and white, but the grey areas consist of things that the word doesnt directly address and arent against the spirit of the laws of God, and yes i know that we aren't under the law,but i'm talking what one should be and not be when i say laws.

For example some vocations are a grey, many people say dont vote, then justify that with the word, and other say yeah and do the same, and neither are wrong, just personal choices as voting was never really addressed, I do vote , btw, but many dont

Then how does one not vote and work for the government, i wont vote for a devil but i'll pay the taxes as commanded and will work for him, or not and be consistent with my views, but will call the police.

wow i get a little ahead of myself, do you see that there, as some see things a little different, i could find more examples of that, ie secular music,tv, sports, and so on.

jason

 

[Benoni]

I would rather re -word and say is God's Word milk or meat. Anyone can drink milk. But you need spiritual teeth to eat the meat. If all you can handle is milk you will choke on the meat.


No it is not Black or white.

 

[Ed the Ned]

Benoni said -

Sorry now I got to go off the deep end. There is milk in God’s Word and anyone can drink milk; great for spiritual babies with no teeth. But now you have asked about a big juicy steak; so if you have no spiritual teeth you might choke (call this a warning label)

- taken from the why did David have five stones thread

I would rather re -word and say is God's Word milk or meat. Anyone can drink milk. But you need spiritual teeth to eat the meat. If all you can handle is milk you will choke on the meat.

These are two different quotes off two different threads that I have a small issue with and I am in no way attacking Benoni in this comment as I am sure he believes he has spiritual teeth. :D But I think it is a judgemental statement and we should be careful to judge others on their percieved spiritual maturity. Reading some of these threads really can turn a young Christian, as I believe I am, into not wanting to learn from the people with spiritual teeth as they are boastfull in their knowledge and education. Yet opinions vary from one person to the next. It feels there is little attempt to acknowledge that at one time they were also new to the faith. I personally feel we over complicate Gods word to suit our own agenda's and we over symbolize everything. The Gospel is a simple Gospel and we should be as little children before our God. Wanting to learn daily from His guidance and teachings. (The Bible and through prayer). And not the ramblings of men. Remember Peter, that Jesus trusted with his teachings was a fisherman and it was through listening to Jesus, not studing, disecting and distorting Gods Word, he became a great apostle. This leads me into agreement with westtexas that Gods word is black and white and the gray areas are the areas God has not revealed to me yet. I pray for his guidance in leading me down the right path.

 

[Bubba]

Benoni said -

Sorry now I got to go off the deep end. There is milk in God’s Word and anyone can drink milk; great for spiritual babies with no teeth. But now you have asked about a big juicy steak; so if you have no spiritual teeth you might choke (call this a warning label)

- taken from the why did David have five stones thread
[quote:333j4rwv]I would rather re -word and say is God's Word milk or meat. Anyone can drink milk. But you need spiritual teeth to eat the meat. If all you can handle is milk you will choke on the meat.

These are two different quotes off two different threads that I have a small issue with and I am in no way attacking Benoni in this comment as I am sure he believes he has spiritual teeth. :D But I think it is a judgemental statement and we should be careful to judge others on their percieved spiritual maturity. Reading some of these threads really can turn a young Christian, as I believe I am, into not wanting to learn from the people with spiritual teeth as they are boastfull in their knowledge and education. Yet opinions vary from one person to the next. It feels there is little attempt to acknowledge that at one time they were also new to the faith. I personally feel we over complicate Gods word to suit our own agenda's and we over symbolize everything. The Gospel is a simple Gospel and we should be as little children before our God. Wanting to learn daily from His guidance and teachings. (The Bible and through prayer). And not the ramblings of men. Remember Peter, that Jesus trusted with his teachings was a fisherman and it was through listening to Jesus, not studing, disecting and distorting Gods Word, he became a great apostle. This leads me into agreement with westtexas that Gods word is black and white and the gray areas are the areas God has not revealed to me yet. I pray for his guidance in leading me down the right path.[/quote:333j4rwv]

I totally agree and that is why you should just read my posts... just kidding. Romans 14:1-4 speaks to what you wrote:
"Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand."
And Romans 12:3 and 1Cor. 4:7 are great verses we should always remember.
Grace, Bubba
Bubba

 

[Benoni]

These are two different quotes off two different threads that I have a small issue with and I am in no way attacking Benoni in this comment as I am sure he believes he has spiritual teeth. But I think it is a judgemental statement and we should be careful to judge others on their percieved spiritual maturity. Reading some of these threads really can turn a young Christian, as I believe I am, into not wanting to learn from the people with spiritual teeth as they are boastfull in their knowledge and education. Yet opinions vary from one person to the next. It feels there is little attempt to acknowledge that at one time they were also new to the faith. I personally feel we over complicate Gods word to suit our own agenda's and we over symbolize everything. The Gospel is a simple Gospel and we should be as little children before our God. Wanting to learn daily from His guidance and teachings. (The Bible and through prayer). And not the ramblings of men. Remember Peter, that Jesus trusted with his teachings was a fisherman and it was through listening to Jesus, not studing, disecting and distorting Gods Word, he became a great apostle. This leads me into agreement with westtexas that Gods word is black and white and the gray areas are the areas God has not revealed to me yet. I pray for his guidance in leading me down the right path

Yes I do post the milk and meat example; I also post the scriptural concept of old wine and the new wine and many other spiritual examples to include the new manna and manna. These are not my quotes but quotes from the Bible for a reason. So please do not get offended; BUT seek the deep and hidden truth of God’s very spiritual Word, not my truth or your religions truth but the truth; and do not limited God to how you have been taught. I am not boasting of my deep spirituality; I am declaring God’s word is deep and spiritual and symbolic. Many are babes in spiritual matters; they may be ninety-five years old and been going to their religion since they were babies but know nothing of spiritual matters only religious.

1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come. example

Example: NT:5178 a : Strong’s: tupikos (toop-ee-kos'); an adverb related to NT:5179; found only in 1 Cor 10:11: as a warning, by way of example, typologically (i.e. figuratively, as a prophetic type, a typological interpretation of Scripture)


The deep things of God will offend you.



1 Peter 2
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
Romans 9 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed .

Do understand what this verse is speaking about?

 

[Ed the Ned]

Reply to Bubba:yes I was reading Romans this morning, but could not remember the verse. Thanks for highlighting it for me. That was the point. Another issue that can also be raised is that we each have our own spiritual gifts. Whose to say that the gift of service is less spiritual than the gift of knowledge!!!

Reply to Benoni: Sorry Benoni I am on my way home from work now and do not have the time to respond properly to your reply. Firstly I was commenting on your comment and not yourself, I in no way was intending to say that you were boastful. and if you got that impression I am truly sorry. I am not some one who goes deep into scripture (Greek, Hebrew) as you do and do not have all the resources either. I fear my answer to your question will not be to your standard and do not wish to get into a debate. My belief in Christ is not a religion though, I believe that he is the only way to the father, so it is a spiritual relationship. Thanks for your reply to my input to this thread though. God Bless, Ed

 

[Free]

BUT seek the deep and hidden truth of God’s very spiritual Word...I am declaring God’s word is deep and spiritual and symbolic.

This is very close to Gnosticism.

The Bible has its difficulties but for the most part what is said is what is meant. A better understanding can be had with knowledge of the Hebrew and Greek but whatever language it is translated into will be good enough for those that understand that language. And with that, if one does not have formal training in Hebrew or Greek, they really should not appeal much to it or put much stock in what they look up in a lexicon.

 

[Tissue]

The Bible is a collection of the experiences of great-souled men and women and their encounters with God.

It is inspired in the same way that great and beautiful pieces of art are inspired.

There are many different valid and consistent interpretations of Scripture that can be generated from its pages. Hence, the debate between Calvinism and Arminianism; both doctrines have their support in Scripture, yet both contradict one another.

The Bible is, above all, a human book about God.

 

[NIGHTMARE]

BUT seek the deep and hidden truth of God’s very spiritual Word...I am declaring God’s word is deep and spiritual and symbolic.

This is very close to Gnosticism.

The Bible has its difficulties but for the most part what is said is what is meant. A better understanding can be had with knowledge of the Hebrew and Greek but whatever language it is translated into will be good enough for those that understand that language. And with that, if one does not have formal training in Hebrew or Greek, they really should not appeal much to it or put much stock in what they look up in a lexicon.

I think the bible does hold many hidden truths,,,,but what does the bible say???

Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Sadly most people will never come to understand this mystery.....

 

[Sparkey]

Word of God written into Flesh

Nobody can understand the bible.
Not a single man.
Not one.
Not me, not you.

The Spirit is at war with the flesh.
Man is flesh.
We are all doomed, doomed, doomed. (just kidding!)

No, the fact of the matter is that our God can do the impossible.
Our God who is called "Our All Sufficiency" is able.
The Word of God is not currently being carved into stone. Not any more that is.
God did write the law into stone but it didn't work.
Now and today God writes His word directly into our hearts. :heart

<The Feast Of Weeks is an observance of the giving of the Torah (law) by Yahweh (God) to the Jewish people over three thousand years ago on Mount Sinai. "The feast of Weeks (Shavout) speaks of "The Promise". We need to be found amongst the 5 wise virgins - and get the oil for our lamps while we are able, yes?>

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Jesus paid the price (our price for sin) and the Holy Spirit (who is the source of the written word) also is given to us so that we can understand the written word.

Jesus asks the disciples for food and they give him a piece of broiled fish and some honeycomb. (Luke 24:44-49)
"Then He said to them, 'These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.' And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures. Then He said to them, 'Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name and to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And you are witnesses of these things. Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.'"

On the mountain in Galilee, Jesus appears to his disciples. (Matthew 28:18-20)
"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."(Matthew 28:20)

Peter's Speech on the Day known as the "Feast of Shavuot (a.k.a. Feast of Weeks or Pentecost).
<The Feast Of Weeks is an observance of the giving of the Torah (law) by Yahweh (God) to the Jewish people over three thousand years ago on Mount Sinai.>
This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the Promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
(The Book of the Acts of Jesus through the Apostles, Chapter 2:32-39)