Is there a psychological and demonic side to homosexuality?

[destiny]

Relic said to start another topic on this subject so as not to hijack hers, so I thought it was interesting enough to do so.

The Lord knows how I feel about the sin of homosexuality. I think a lot of my post count was tallied up from debating against it. It is a gross sin against God and ones own body when acted out.
Most homosexuals will tell you they've felt this way all their life, since childhood. So..
I am inclined to belive a person can become a homosexual through these avenues: (These are my opinions)
A child has an abusive or perverse role model, which in turn leaves the child with no spiritual covering and leaves them open to perverse demonic spirits, these demons confuse the gender and identity of the person.
OR..
A person engages in homosexual sex out of enticement or curiousity and then a double wammy occurs.
They commit a gross sin against God, plus, there is a transferance of a perverse demon from one person to the other.
I have been accused of over spiritualizing, but I believe this sort of thing is very real.

I feel there are more doorways than this, but those come to mind.

I feel like a homosexual who wants to get free needs to be completely submitted to the Holy Spirit and have must an understanding of how the enemy works.
They also need to be discipled by someone who understands both the psychological and spiritual aspects of their past.
Sometimes the Lord delivers instantly and sometime it can be a process.

Those are my opinions

 

[Rick W]

"Is there a psychological and demonic side to homosexuality?"

I can say that for all sin. Myself included.

 

[destiny]

I agree, PotLuck. I think sin itself can be catagorized in those black and white terms. But, again..

I've watched programs and heard men say as little children that they always thought of themselves as females. What would cause a little kid to think that way? Do we tell the child that they are just full of sin; is it that black and white or could other forces be at work there?

Just curious about what you guys think the root of some of this is. Of course, I won't be offended if others don't see it as I do.

 

[Oscar3]

Well
first I do believe that some homosexuals are possesed or oppresed by demoic spirits. I also belive the same of pedofiles, rapist, murderers, etc. I believe that when these people come to Christ, they are instantly free. I have see this happen.

We also need to be careful not to look for demons around every corner and give the devil credit for something he did not do.

I believe in most case people that are homosexuals, are that way because they simply choose it. People are NOT born Gay. People are born with a sin nature and some choose to water it and let it grow while other will add weed killer to it and kill it.

 

[Judy]

Could we reframe from using the term "homo". We all know that it is use in a derogatory manner. And will only cause more fighting here.
Thank you

 

[Oscar3]

Sorry
I did not know. I corrected it.

 

[jane boston]

Of course it's psychological. It is our human desire to have justification for everything we do/see/hear, so when someone commits an act, not even said homosexual practices, it is our nature to try to justify and explain why it happened. For those who succeed in convincing themselves why, it becomes part of their overall psyche. It is then made part of them, good or bad, and future decisions may be swayed because of the persisting memory of this decision. Guilt is one of the most, if not the most powerful emotion/feeling a human experience, it's God giving us a little taste of what He sees. It changes us, changes how we act, how we think, how we see the world around us. It changes us mentally, emotionally and sometimes even physically. When we go against God's will, it will be avenged with our lives being changed forever.

On another not so deep note, my gay coworker came up to me and started questioning my stance on homosexuality, knowing full well what my answer would be. I basically said I love you, I hate what you do. I can actually see the war between how he feels and what he knows he should feel playing across his face. It killed me to see the war that was going on within him, almost like he let God in, and now Him and satan are fighting!!! We must remember that it is not our place to judge, but to love, guide and pray for the lost. Always remember JUDE 1:23!!! Great verse!

 

[Quath]

I think it would be interesting to just rephrase the issue. Imagine if we were talking about interracial marriage instead. Many Christians were against this for scriptural reasons 50 years ago. Now it is hard to find anyone that is against this sin against God.

So imagine if you met a black man that married a white woman. If you said "I don't hate you and your wife, I just hate your marriage." Do you see how horrible that sounds? That is exactly what it sounds like when you say you hate their homosexuality.

I believe I have claimed that Christians will eventually treat homosexuality the same as interracial marriage. Eventually, Christianity of the future will say the Christians of today were misguided and misinterpreted scripture.

 

[Solo]

I think it would be interesting to just rephrase the issue. Imagine if we were talking about interracial marriage instead. Many Christians were against this for scriptural reasons 50 years ago. Now it is hard to find anyone that is against this sin against God.

So imagine if you met a black man that married a white woman. If you said "I don't hate you and your wife, I just hate your marriage." Do you see how horrible that sounds? That is exactly what it sounds like when you say you hate their homosexuality.

I believe I have claimed that Christians will eventually treat homosexuality the same as interracial marriage. Eventually, Christianity of the future will say the Christians of today were misguided and misinterpreted scripture.

Quath,
And what portion of scripture did/do those who were/are against interracial marriage use to backup their position?

 

[destiny]

I think it would be interesting to just rephrase the issue. Imagine if we were talking about interracial marriage instead. Many Christians were against this for scriptural reasons 50 years ago. Now it is hard to find anyone that is against this sin against God.

But the fact remains this was never in the bible to start with. The lie in the south where I am from was that God cursed a man and turned him black. Many people never questioned this but accepted it as fact, when in fact it was a lie. Facts have to speak for themselves.

So imagine if you met a black man that married a white woman. If you said "I don't hate you and your wife, I just hate your marriage." Do you see how horrible that sounds? That is exactly what it sounds like when you say you hate their homosexuality.

Skin color and sexual sin is not the same and are two different subjects altogether. God very clearly condemns all sexual immorality and homosexuality. He specifically mentions both throughout scripture.

believe I have claimed that Christians will eventually treat homosexuality the same as interracial marriage. Eventually, Christianity of the future will say the Christians of today were misguided and misinterpreted scripture.

Of course they will and these are "christians" in name only, who are part of the great apostasy.
We can see this happening right now as the word of God has already warned us of.
Only the true believers will refuse all unbiblical compromise, and they will be persecuted and possibly pay with their life because of it.

PS...
This topic was started with more of a purpose to understand how a person can find freedom from homosexuality through the understanding of a persons history.

 

[Veritas]

Solo wrote:
And what portion of scripture did/do those who were/are against interracial marriage use to backup their position?

We have quite a few people in the Phinehas Priesthood in Montana who are against interracial marriage. They use the following verses primarily:

Note: Historically, the Midianites were indeed, black.

Then an Israelite man brought to his family a Midianite woman right before the eyes of Moses and the whole assembly of Israel while they were weeping at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. When Phinehas son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, the priest, saw this, he left the assembly, took a spear in his hand and followed the Israelite into the tent. He drove the spear through both of themâ€â€through the Israelite and into the woman's body. Then the plague against the Israelites was stopped; Then the plague against the Israelites was stopped; but those who died in the plague numbered 24,000.

The LORD said to Moses, "Phinehas son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, the priest, has turned my anger away from the Israelites; for he was as zealous as I am for my honor among them, so that in my zeal I did not put an end to them. Therefore tell him I am making my covenant of peace with him. He and his descendants will have a covenant of a lasting priesthood, because he was zealous for the honor of his God and made atonement for the Israelites." Numbers 25:6-13

But it is a big misunderstanding by them. God has a problem with interreligious marriage, not interracial marriage.

We know this from many other verses that put the above in context.

And here is a kicker, Moses' wife Zipporah, was a Midianite. She was black. Exodus 2:15-21 There was no condemnation by God of the marriage or her because she worshiped the true God as her father Jethro worshiped the true God. Exodus 18:10-27

So, instead of people mixing up the fact that race is not an act, as they do with interacial marriage; now, with homosexual marriage, we have people mixing up the fact that the act is not a race.

 

[Rick W]

I believe I have claimed that Christians will eventually treat homosexuality the same as interracial marriage. Eventually, Christianity of the future will say the Christians of today were misguided and misinterpreted scripture.

Well, it won't be christianity anyway. It'll be more like the "liberal" type of belief to fit the social acceptances of the day. We have that now as we see from those of that belief leaving "the church" to set up their own thing. Some call this division within "the church" but I see it as God sifting the wheat.

And what portion of scripture did/do those who were/are against interracial marriage use to backup their position?

Well, couldn't be sexual immorality since there was a man and woman involved. And Moses had an Ethiopian wife.

Numbers 12:1-16

Numbers 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

Numbers 12:9 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.
Numbers 12:10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.

But sexual orientation isn't a race, color or creed anyway.

Many want to believe the homosexual act is natural citing animals as proof their behavior is ok. If they want to compare themselves with animals then that's no skin off my nose but please don't ask me to accept animalistic behavior to rationalize an unnatural behavior. And if it's not an unnatural behavior then I'd like to know what natural reason there is for sperm delivery into the rectum.

MSM is THE highest risk activity concerning AIDS/HIV today. Yet, many are not willing to connect that high risk of AIDS with the act for fear that it may make the behavior look bad. This in turn moves the focus elsewhere such as dirty needles or heterosexual acts. Also there is no focus on the bisexual that spreads the disease to the heterosexual community a lot more readily than heterosexual acts alone.

The topic "Is there a psychological and demonic side to homosexuality?" isn't one of possession by a wayward spirit as many see it in hollywood but one of deception to make the act of homosexuality not a sin, to make the act appear natural, to willfully misinterpret scripture, to ignore any link to the high risks involved so as not to project a bad light on the practice and to further the spread of sexual immorality. That's the spirit that is strengthening in power today. And if that's not demonic or satanic I don't know what is.

 

[destiny]

The topic "Is there a psychological and demonic side to homosexuality?" isn't one of possession by a wayward spirit as many see it in hollywood but one of deception to make the act of homosexuality not a sin, to make the act appear natural, to willfully misinterpret scripture, to ignore any link to the high risks involved so as not to project a bad light on the practice and to further the spread of sexual immorality. That's the spirit that is strengthening in power today. And if that's not demonic or satanic I don't know what is.

Yet somewhere caught in the middle are those who hate their sin, who truly want to be free because they know in their hearts it is wrong.
I can't help but think that there are multitudes of homosexuals who have passed through the doors of churches looking for answers and deliverance yet finding only liberalism or legalism and powerlessness.
I'm sure these make a furious advocate for the homosexual cause.
Where does the churches responsibility rest in all this? Will God hold it responsible if judgment starts at the house of God?

 

[Rick W]

And I'm sure there are many that came out of homosexuality but their voices are stifled.

Secular science prides itself on it's ability within the medical field to have all the answers... for rehabilitation of this and rehab for that. Just about anything under the sun. "Something on your mind? Something bothering you? No problem! Come to us, we can help!". I find an empty spot though when it comes to homosexuality... except the churches. So, if one DOES have the desire to want help but not through religion, there is little to none. Is it little wonder then that those scant few you do hear from, ex-homosexuals, have a spiritual slant on things. And religion, or a spiritual slant on things is what the secular PC crowd is attempting to silence in the first place.
There's a spirit working here against mankind. And when those who find in the "afterlife" that they've been deceived, not only in this but other matters as well, they will then come to hate Satan. Thing is, Satan will hate them right back.

 

[Relic]

Destiny, God will hold us responsible if we keep quite about it and don't call anyone on unrighteous acts. If we keep silent on any sin will that make it right? If we see our child sin are we supposed to ignore it? No, we call them on it and let them know correction.

If they refuse to obey the righteousness of God, then what? Should we still ignore it? Shall we ignore those who continue to abort their babies? shall we ignore those who continue to molest children? Shall we ignore those who continue to practice bulimia or anorexia? Shall we ignore those who practice cutting themselves because of some severe depression they are suffering with? Shall we ignore those who are prostitutes or fornicators? Shall we continue to ignore all sin that is sexually related? Shall we just stuff rose peddles in our ears, sing la la la la la la, and blind our eyes?

Shall we continue to ignore anyone who is caught in the demons vice of sin? Or are we called to say repent and go and sin no more. Are we called to share the gospel with them, yes, even the scriptures that are difficult for the sinner to face? I will never stop speaking out on matters that are a transgression to the Holy Spirit of God. Never!

And as long as those who call themselves homosexuals, and those who advocate for them attempt to act as if same sex relations is not a transgression against the Holy Spirit, I will speak out and continue to show them there is redemption from that sin. I will continue to let them know which scriptures reveal that type of sin and I will continue show them Jesus Christ is the salvation from all sin. Some will try to accuse me of being obsessed, but I will not let their demon charged arrows stop me from what God has placed in my spirit to do when the time is at hand.

If the sinner refused to admit to the sin, they must deal with God. I do not claim to judge them just because I have shared what Holy Spirit reveals about that particular sin. In this case homosexuality. Yes, it is a work of the demon. If the person has a chemical imbalance, that carn be treated medically. But it is the mind that must be treated also for what a person believes that he will become. Clinging to the lust of the flesh is much of why these people love being in the homosexual lifestyle. Thos who want to come out of it are on their way to that realization. It is the ones who love the lifestyle that are in denial of the truth of the Holy Word of God and the consequences of transgressing and grieving the Holy Spirit.


I'm tired of people coming on these threads and diverting the subject so that they can mess the whole thing up with their garbage. Sin is of the devil. period. All sin, including that of homosexuality is stemmed from the original sin of disobedience to the Holy Word of God. The homosexual thinks nothing of consequences of sin. They shove the blame on some thing or someone else. but it is never their own actions that they will allow to be convicted of the Holy Spirit.

Now, I wonder is anyone going to try and trash this thread too because they advocate FOR the sin of homosexuality? Yes, It IS a sin.

I have sins in my life I struggle with, but I don't deny them. I take up my cross everyday and pray the Lord I don't stray from His Holy Will.

We are forgiven for our past, present and futures sins, yes, but our responsibility is to not sin deliberately and in defiance of the Holy Spirit. We are held accountable. So no matter how long that sin takes to be finally completely out of our lives, it is what is in our hearts that the Lord God looks upon. If we love our sins more than we love Him, then what does that show? If we pray the Lord to purge our sins from out of us, then that shows we are after His heart, His pure heart, and not after the sin.

Chemical imbalances can be treated, but the heart of a man reveals his spirit! There is a spirit that comes to steal kill and destroy, and that spirit wants to destroy the HOLY relationship God intended to be between a man and a woman, by perversion of this 'HOLY' Union. That spirit is of the devil!

 

[Lewis]

There is no such thing as a interracial marriage' it is just a marriage. If all come from Adam anf Eve. And then after the flood the whole earth was overspread from Shem' Ham' and Japheth, who by the way were brothers' where does this man made up race garbage come from, the stupid word was not even used until the 30's. God does not have a problem with us when we marry who we want. When the race tag started to be used it separated us. Sorry that this is off topic' but I just couldn't help it.

 

[destiny]

Of course you are right, Relic and PotLuck.
I believe in the days to come we will see families torn apart that we never dreamed could be touched by homosexuality.
But my point was, and is, that we are seeing more and more of this because the organized churches are weakening because of compromise, lukewarmness, and apostasy.
The word of God says, 'because of the increase of sin the love of many will wax cold'...so we are losing salt and light at every turn.
Look at what just happened to Ted Haggard, and he was the 'president' of a 30 million man organization.
We are kidding ourselves if we think there hasn't already been a trickle down effect caused from this. Look how long it went on; we would be foolish to think this didn't create leaven throughout every branch under his headship.
Again my point is, at the root of all that is wrong there is a spiritual sickness in the land. The church is suppose to be the salt and light to the world, but it is obviously losing its ability to spiritually influence. It will eventually be narrowed down to a remnant people when all is said and done. Then we will understand what persecution and darkness is.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Whenever I turn on my TV I see fare that could well be described as psychologically and demonically feeding and influencing the minds of multitudes of people throughout the world. To single out homosexuality (yet again) as a topic in a forum thread as the be and end all of sin is ludicrous. If ever we get the opportunity to look back and see what was the main cause of the downfall of humankind it will be the mind control of the masses by the popular media and 'screwed-up' religion ...NOT homosexuality.

 

[Relic]

Whenever I turn on my TV I see fare that could well be described as psychologically and demonically feeding and influencing the minds of multitudes of people throughout the world. To single out homosexuality (yet again) as a topic in a forum thread as the be and end all of sin is ludicrous. If ever we get the opportunity to look back and see what was the main cause of the downfall of humankind it will be the mind control of the masses by the popular media and 'screwed-up' religion ...NOT homosexuality.

No sputnik, it is not the "be all and end all of sin". IT IS "ONE OF MANY SINS" . And the psychological and demonic side to homosexuality just happens to be the topic in this thread. You come on board and try to trash each thread that deals with anything on the subject of the sin of homsexuality. It won't work here, so bug off with your false accusations.

And if you will notice the root of all sin is disobedience to the Holy Word of God. There are many areas of sin involved, but you seem to think homosexuality is the only one being discussed on this forum. Have you noticed? There are many many topics. If you have a subject you want to bring to the floor, then go and start your own thread instead of trashing someone elses thread and trying to divert the subject onto your complaints that homosexuality is being targeted. It happens to be one of many sins, and this time it is being addressed here in regards to the phychological and demonic side of it.

The subject is this: Is there a psychological and demonic side to homosexuality ?

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[Solo]

It seems to me on the score of time that I have read the many posts of SputnikBoy that he has psychological and demonic tendencies to the subject of homosexuality. He has never been able to discuss this topic with any view other than that which ignores the many scriptures that deal with the sin of homosexuality. There is a reason why this particular subject draws SputnikBoy's attention, and it would be interesting to know the whole truth behind it. Since we never will, keep ole SputnikBoy in your prayers.