Is there a psychological and demonic side to homosexuality?

[Relic]

It seems to me on the score of time that I have read the many posts of SputnikBoy that he has psychological and demonic tendencies to the subject of homosexuality. He has never been able to discuss this topic with any view other than that which ignores the many scriptures that deal with the sin of homosexuality. There is a reason why this particular subject draws SputnikBoy's attention, and it would be interesting to know the whole truth behind it. Since we never will, keep ole SputnikBoy in your prayers.

"keep ole SputnikBoy in your prayers"

Amen.

 

[Oscar3]

Well
In reading sputs posts, I have noticed and maybe its just me, but I don't recall ever reading any scripture from him. He is all about opinion and it gets him in trouble.

Sput, try reading a bible. It helps and its pretty cool. 8-)

 

[Lewis]

Re: Is there a psychological and demonic side to homosexuali

Relic said to start another topic on this subject so as not to hijack hers, so I thought it was interesting enough to do so.

The Lord knows how I feel about the sin of homosexuality. I think a lot of my post count was tallied up from debating against it. It is a gross sin against God and ones own body when acted out.
Most homosexuals will tell you they've felt this way all their life, since childhood. So..
I am inclined to belive a person can become a homosexual through these avenues: (These are my opinions)
A child has an abusive or perverse role model, which in turn leaves the child with no spiritual covering and leaves them open to perverse demonic spirits, these demons confuse the gender and identity of the person.
OR..
A person engages in homosexual sex out of enticement or curiousity and then a double wammy occurs.
They commit a gross sin against God, plus, there is a transferance of a perverse demon from one person to the other.
I have been accused of over spiritualizing, but I believe this sort of thing is very real.

I feel there are more doorways than this, but those come to mind.

I feel like a homosexual who wants to get free needs to be completely submitted to the Holy Spirit and have must an understanding of how the enemy works.
They also need to be discipled by someone who understands both the psychological and spiritual aspects of their past.
Sometimes the Lord delivers instantly and sometime it can be a process.

Those are my opinions

Great post. :wink:

 

[peace4all]

I don't see families as being torn apart because someone is a homosexual, I see families torn apart because others in the family refuse to accept them for being a homosexual, and then shun them from their lives.

Same with the families that shun people for marrying interracially, or marrying people of diffrent religions.

I don't see "he left his kids and his wife for another man" as something to be of concern when there are 20x's more cases of "He left his kids and his wife for another woman.

 

[Rick W]

SputnikBoy,
The reason for all the attention toward homosexuals is by their effort to draw attention to themselves for gay marriage. They've achieved this goal. Only through attention by way of publicity could the groups put their desires into the public eye. And they did that. That was their goal SputnikBoy.
Massachusetts blind-sided many. It was quick, without precursor and decided by one man not by the people of that state. It served as a wake up call, late but jolting, that activist judges wielded a lot more power than people had once thought. Since then states have offered a ballot instead of a one-man legislator of morality.
The battle was brought to the churches, not the other way around.

 

[Lewis]

It seems to me on the score of time that I have read the many posts of SputnikBoy that he has psychological and demonic tendencies to the subject of homosexuality. He has never been able to discuss this topic with any view other than that which ignores the many scriptures that deal with the sin of homosexuality. There is a reason why this particular subject draws SputnikBoy's attention, and it would be interesting to know the whole truth behind it. Since we never will, keep ole SputnikBoy in your prayers.

Well Sput' are you ?

 

[Oscar3]

I don't see families as being torn apart because someone is a homosexual, I see families torn apart because others in the family refuse to accept them for being a homosexual, and then shun them from their lives.

Peace4none
Your example PROVES the point. If the person in question was NOT a homosexual then there would be nothing for the family to accept and nobody to shun thus this family would not be torn apart. :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[Quath]

I grew up in Georgia and encountered many Christians that still thought interracial marriage was unGodly. So I asked them. Here were some of their responses:

1. God split the races at the Tower of Bable. To unite them in marriage is to go against his will.

2. God specifically says not to marry others of another race. Yeah, Moses did and he was wrong, but God decided to overlook it. (The Israelites knew it was wrong and pointed it out to God.)

3. Noah cursed the black race. We don't need to bring his curse over to caucasians.

4. God did not make the races equal or else he never would have favored one over the others. Therefore, it is God's will for the races to remabe in balance and unequal.

You can find some of these quotes in court cases like "Loving v. Virginia" where the judge said:

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races show that he did not intend for the races to mix.

In 1948, about 90% of American adults opposed interracial marriage. In 1967, about 72% opposed it. It broke even around 1991 and has kept declining. So just looking at 1948 where about 90% of America is Christian, you have most of them against interracial marriage. And I bet they all said that God was on their side.

You will see the exact same thing happen with homosexual marriage.

 

[Lewis]

I grew up in Georgia and encountered many Christians that still thought interracial marriage was unGodly. So I asked them. Here were some of their responses:

1. God split the races at the Tower of Bable. To unite them in marriage is to go against his will.

2. God specifically says not to marry others of another race. Yeah, Moses did and he was wrong, but God decided to overlook it. (The Israelites knew it was wrong and pointed it out to God.)

3. Noah cursed the black race. We don't need to bring his curse over to caucasians.

4. God did not make the races equal or else he never would have favored one over the others. Therefore, it is God's will for the races to remabe in balance and unequal.

You can find some of these quotes in court cases like "Loving v. Virginia" where the judge said:

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races show that he did not intend for the races to mix.

In 1948, about 90% of American adults opposed interracial marriage. In 1967, about 72% opposed it. It broke even around 1991 and has kept declining. So just looking at 1948 where about 90% of America is Christian, you have most of them against interracial marriage. And I bet they all said that God was on their side.

You will see the exact same thing happen with homosexual marriage.

Good post Pastor Quath.

 

[Quath]

Good post Pastor Quath.

Amen. 8-)

 

[peace4all]

I don't see families as being torn apart because someone is a homosexual, I see families torn apart because others in the family refuse to accept them for being a homosexual, and then shun them from their lives.

Peace4none
Your example PROVES the point. If the person in question was NOT a homosexual then there would be nothing for the family to accept and nobody to shun thus this family would not be torn apart. :roll: :roll: :roll:

srry, oscarthegrouch :-P
But as a good christian, or a Christian in general, you should NEVER shun a sinner.

I was just assuming that Christians would follow the bible, My bad :-?

 

[christianbear]

:angel: I like to start by saying that I do think being gay is a sin, but I think it's more of a role model issue. if you go up not knowing how to act arround the other sex then you're not going to. If you don't know how a mom and dad should communicate with each other, but you know how a son and father should communicate then you're going use that in life. we only do what we know how to do. If you go up in a christian background and all you know is Jesus then you're not likely to be come a Jew. It's the same thing. I do belive that alot of families are torn apart with the issue when someone turns gay, but we as christian must look deeper in to their souls. Everyone is different but we are all from the same Father. :angel:

 

[Solo]

I grew up in Georgia and encountered many Christians that still thought interracial marriage was unGodly. So I asked them. Here were some of their responses:

1. God split the races at the Tower of Bable. To unite them in marriage is to go against his will.

2. God specifically says not to marry others of another race. Yeah, Moses did and he was wrong, but God decided to overlook it. (The Israelites knew it was wrong and pointed it out to God.)

3. Noah cursed the black race. We don't need to bring his curse over to caucasians.

4. God did not make the races equal or else he never would have favored one over the others. Therefore, it is God's will for the races to remabe in balance and unequal.

You can find some of these quotes in court cases like "Loving v. Virginia" where the judge said:

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races show that he did not intend for the races to mix.

In 1948, about 90% of American adults opposed interracial marriage. In 1967, about 72% opposed it. It broke even around 1991 and has kept declining. So just looking at 1948 where about 90% of America is Christian, you have most of them against interracial marriage. And I bet they all said that God was on their side.

You will see the exact same thing happen with homosexual marriage.

Typically, I see no instruction from the Bible that says interracial marriage is wrong, but I do read scripture that says that homosexuality is wrong. An argument of apples and oranges.

 

[AHIMSA]

As an open homosexual myself...I don't feel the presence of any kind of evil in my life. I have always had an excellent family, my father and mother have always had a very firm and loving relationship and were always a very respectable model of a healthy and nurturing heterosexual relationship.

I grew up on a farm with my extended family, my grandparents were always involved in my life as well as aunts, cousins and my father's best friend (my godfather).

I have never been abused or molested.

There have been no social disruptions or abnormalities to speak of in my family life. Yet why did I turn out gay?

The fact is...as long as I've known I was gay and kept it secret it was corrosive and dangerous to me as a person, pushing me into depression and despair. Since I've come out I am happy once again and my life in the Spirit is as never before.

Would someone tell me what reason I have to say that homosexuality is evil when it has not manifested itself in any evil forms?

 

[Solo]

As an open homosexual myself...I don't feel the presence of any kind of evil in my life. I have always had an excellent family, my father and mother have always had a very firm and loving relationship and were always a very respectable model of a healthy and nurturing heterosexual relationship.

I grew up on a farm with my extended family, my grandparents were always involved in my life as well as aunts, cousins and my father's best friend (my godfather).

I have never been abused or molested.

There have been no social disruptions or abnormalities to speak of in my family life. Yet why did I turn out gay?

The fact is...as long as I've known I was gay and kept it secret it was corrosive and dangerous to me as a person, pushing me into depression and despair. Since I've come out I am happy once again and my life in the Spirit is as never before.

Would someone tell me what reason I have to say that homosexuality is evil when it has not manifested itself in any evil forms?

It is evil because God has determined that it is against his creation. Being born again, born of God is the only solution to any and all sins.

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:27-31

 

[peace4all]

then you must say that many animals are evil, and, if that is the case, then obviously man and animal are closer to equal than Christianity says.

 

[AHIMSA]

It is evil because God has determined that it is against his creation.

But surely, for thinking people there has to be other criterion. To use Jesus' analogy of the fruit and the tree...should something that is inherently evil not consistently yield evil fruit?

 

[Quath]

Typically, I see no instruction from the Bible that says interracial marriage is wrong, but I do read scripture that says that homosexuality is wrong. An argument of apples and oranges.

What I am saying is that in the past, most American Christians did see the Bible as saying that interracial marriage was wrong. They may have said something similar to what you just said like

"Typically, I see no instruction from the Bible that says slavery is wrong, but I do read scripture that says that interracial marriage is wrong. An argument of apples and oranges."

Christians today who read the exact same book at the Christians 50 years ago read do not see restrictions against interracial marriage that their grandparents saw in the Bible. Your grandchildren who are Christian will not see restrictions against homosexual marriage either.

As you wonder how people of the past could read the Bible and see restrictions against interracial marriage, the people of the future will wonder the same about you and homosexual marriage.

 

[destiny]

But surely, for thinking people there has to be other criterion. To use Jesus' analogy of the fruit and the tree...should something that is inherently evil not consistently yield evil fruit?

I lived with someone for 2 years without being married to them, Ahimsa.
If you had asked me during that time if I was right with the Lord I would have told you yes without hesitation.
My own emotions and intellect told me so, but that wasn't really what God was telling me. It would have cost me too much to listen to God at that time, a price I wasn't willing to pay.

Think on this...
Psalm 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

 

[Lewis]

What I am saying is that in the past, most American Christians did see the Bible as saying that interracial marriage was wrong. They may have said something similar to what you just said like

"Typically, I see no instruction from the Bible that says slavery is wrong, but I do read scripture that says that interracial marriage is wrong. An argument of apples and oranges."

Christians today who read the exact same book at the Christians 50 years ago read do not see restrictions against interracial marriage that their grandparents saw in the Bible. Your grandchildren who are Christian will not see restrictions against homosexual marriage either.

As you wonder how people of the past could read the Bible and see restrictions against interracial marriage, the people of the future will wonder the same about you and homosexual marriage.

Quath' show me in the Bible were it says that so called interracial marriage is wrong.