Is there anywhere in the Bible that Jesus Freely gave material needs to the poor?

[Sinthesis]

Jesus said to cast the nets on the other side becuase they were catching nothing, depressing day, no bread on the table, so they did, and they got a big haul of fish. He helped them catch food, i guess to eat and sell as fishing would have been a popular income back then. If it was not for Jesus there fishing business would have gone broke or they would have gone hungry.

So he freely gave them material need. He knew where the fish were.

There is also spiritual symbolism in this lesson, whereby Jesus is instructing His disciples that there is a wrong(left) and right way to be a fisher-of-men.

 

[Mike S]

Jesus gave his followers something far more precious, knowledge and freedom of faith to choose or reject salvation.

In Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov, we're given a little exchange between the Spanish Grand Inquisitor and Jesus returned to earth. Which is more important, material satisfaction or freedom of faith, earthly happiness or obedience to God?

Ivan has written a prose poem, set in the 16th century, in Seville, Spain, during the most terrible time of the Inquisition, when heretics were being burnt alive willy-nilly like firebugs. In the poem, after a particularly magnificent auto-da-fé — when almost a hundred heretics were burnt by the Grand Inquisitor, the eminent cardinal, in the presence of the king, the court and its charming ladies — Christ suddenly appears and is recognized at once. People weep for joy, children throw flowers at his feet and a large crowd gathers outside the cathedral. At that moment, the Grand Inquisitor passes by the cathedral and grasps what is happening. His face darkens. Such is his power and the fear he inspires that the crowd suddenly falls silent and parts for him. He orders Jesus arrested and thrown into prison.

Later, the Grand Inquisitor enters the cell and silently watches Jesus from the doorway for a long time. Face-to-face, they retain eye contact throughout. Neither of them flinches. Eventually, the cardinal says, “Tomorrow, I shall condemn thee at the stake as the worst of heretics. And the people who today kissed Thy feet tomorrow at the faintest sign from me will rush to heap up the embers of Thy fire. Knowest Thou that? Yes, maybe Thou knowest it.” He adds, “Why, then, art Thou come to hinder us?” Jesus says nothing.

The Grand Inquisitor’s final question appears paradoxical: how might the reappearance of Jesus interfere with the functioning of the most holy Catholic Church? Does the Church not bear Christ’s name? The answer is fascinating. For the Grand Inquisitor, what Jesus brought into the world was freedom, specifically the freedom of faith: the truth that will free. And this is where we perhaps begin to sympathize with the Grand Inquisitor. He says that for 1500 years, Christians have been wrestling with this freedom. The Grand Inquisitor too, when younger, also went into the desert, lived on roots and locusts, and tried to attain the perfect freedom espoused by Jesus.

“The freedom of their faith was dearer to Thee than anything else in those days fifteen hundred years ago. Didst Thou not often say then: ‘I will make you free’?…For fifteen centuries we have been wrestling with Thy freedom, but now it is ended and over for good…

“Let me tell Thee that now, today, people are more persuaded than ever that they have perfect freedom, yet they have brought their freedom to us and laid it humbly at our feet. But that has been our doing. Was this what Thou didst? Was this Thy freedom?”

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Scripture please!

Matthew 14:13-21King James Version (KJV) It reveals that Jesus was moved with compassion towards them and he healed their sick.

13 When Jesus heard of it, he departed thence by ship into a desert place apart: and when the people had heard thereof, they followed him on foot out of the cities.

14 And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick.

15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.

16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.

17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes.

18 He said, Bring them hither to me.

19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.

20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full.

21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Who commanded these people to come and listen, who were they obeying by being there?

Matthew 14:15-21.

 

[Malachi]

Scripture please!

As you go through the Word of God, you will discover that God (and Christ) have great concern for the poor and needy. There are commandments throughout Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy instructing God's people to be very generous to the poor and needy (see Deut 15:1-15). Job is declared to be a righteous man befor God, and one facet of his practical righteousness was his genuine care for the poor (Job 29:11-17).

Therefore it is only logical that Christ -- who is RIGHTEOUSNESS -- would consider the poor in His earthly ministry. However, Christ did not directly distribute to the poor, just as He did not directly baptize. He delegated this to the apostles, and Judas was the treasurer for Christ, since "he had the bag". Hence we read (Jn 12:3-8; Mt 26:8,9):
Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
4Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
5Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
6This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
7Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
8For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

Matthew says that all the disciples wanted to distribute to the poor:
8But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?
9For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.

Furthermore, the Holy Spirit (the Spirit of Christ) directed the Christians in Jerusalem to distribute to their poorer brethren by sharing everything at the inception of the Church (Acts 2:44,45). And Paul made at least two collections for the poorer Christians in Judaea during his missionary journeys:
44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

That is still Christ's mandate to Christians. Churches must take care of their poorer brethren before looking outside to help others. Widows and orphans are of the greatest concern to God (Jas 1:27).

 

[poetofparables]

Scripture please!

4afaithfulone, being right is not dependent on whether people agree with you. Truth stands on its own

 

[jonahmano]

Scripture please!

Read the book of Ephesians Chapter 4 and somewhere nearing the end you will read a passage like this "Let him that stole steal no more........." there you have the answer. The whole bible is written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit who Himself is God. Whatever spoken by either God, Son or the Holy Spirit is no different.

 

[4afaithfulone]

Just wanted to check in to say... there is no place in scripture where the disciples, or Jesus went about handing out physical/material goods such as blankets, food, clothing to the lost who had not made God their source first, by either sitting at the feet of Jesus or humbling themselves to follow him to feed spiritually. NEVER!
He sent them out to heal the sick, cast the demons out and tell them of the kingdom and how it is at hand/available to who so ever will. That is it..
Yes we are to be kind to anyone in our path but never go out to find dependents to provide for, setting our self up as their crutch and burdened by their care because they refuse to work, to their destruction. When they are ready to make Jesus their Lord, then yes we bring them in and get their eyes on God and Christ/Word exalted in the life and help to raise them up with godly gain teaching them so they can learn Faith how to lean on God.
Our main concern should be to bring them the opportunity to hear of Christ for the forgiveness of all their past sins making them on equal ground with God as the next believer so that no man can boast of their good deeds while looking down on others for those what appears to be worse deeds.
We are to take the gospel of the kingdom that Jesus taught and sent the disciples out to preach, to serve them the Word(Bread of life), clothe them in the Word(Cover them), to release them for the prison of their mind and actions, being held captive to sin, with the Word(Set them FREE from sinful behavior), wash their feet, and also from the inside and out to clean up their walk so they are no longer lame, walking crooked in life with the living water of the Word(Living Poor).
Christ is the Door to enter in for he is the Way, the Truth and the Life for no one can come to the Father but by accepting THE WORD first.
We are definitely told to give (especially to our own brethren in Christ) and it shall be given unto you. God loves cheerful givers... But.. does that mean to support the ungodly who reject His love by giving to them the good things that God has given to us for doing good by not cheating, stealing, hurting others to get things for our self?
The ungodly have crooked walks/ways that their god has taught them to bring their provisions. We can not buy souls for God. Very few on the governments broken welfare system are ever devoted to the government nor are truly grateful for what they are GIVEN without a cost. A soul devoted to God out of love for His Word and not trinkets to bribe them, is priceless. How many churches go out to try and entice the lost to come in with gifts, and sweet words. They just burden themselves and leave the poor in the church wanton and they usually end back up in Egypt where things Seemed better, because it was from what they experienced.
That’s enough~

 

[reba]

There are no scriptures tellings us Jesus owned a home or drove a car typed on a computer...

Luk_18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
I see nothing in above verse saying anything about saved or unsaved poor ...

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

Here we see the word stranger.. stranger implies not one of them...

 

[Deborah13]

Rom 5:6 For in our being still ailing, Christ in due time did die for the impious;
Rom 5:7 for scarcely for a righteous man will any one die, for for the good man perhaps some one also doth dare to die;
Rom 5:8 and God doth commend His own love to us, that, in our being still sinners, Christ did die for us;

 

[4afaithfulone]

There are no scriptures tellings us Jesus owned a home or drove a car typed on a computer...

Luk_18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
I see nothing in above verse saying anything about saved or unsaved poor ...

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

Here we see the word stranger.. stranger implies not one of them...

I just explained that the clothing, the water and the prison releasing and the food are Spiritual food, clothing, set free, living water being the Word/the Christ and that is the provisions we provide for the lost for Jesus died for the living and the dead(spiritual dead). You must receive the spiritual, before you will ever receive the natural from God which I showed in the feeding of the thousands, they recieved no natural food before they sat at Jesus' feet and ate a spiritual meal for the soul. God is interested in souls.

That is why there are two different groups. One is for the physical giving of these things to our brethren in Christ and it says "these my brethren" for we are commanded to help other believers with these things, NOT the dogs(having the mark of the beastly nature in the image of their father the devil) Their heart is not for God as least not yet and we should not try to seduce them with THINGS to have a heart for God. Tell them and let them make a choice without bribes, they should be able to see the joy that you have from coming to Christ, they shouldn't come because of the material bread.
Do you remember Jesus saying these things:
Matt 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
KJV

Matt 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
KJV
From those scriptures you should see that this lady seemed nice and kind, so why would Jesus call her a dog? We are all capable of looking good and evil.
But until we come to desire a change in our life, we are still in the enemies camp being of an anti-Christ spirit! As are all those whom we may live with or know if they have not receive Christ yet.. they are not of God!

 

[4afaithfulone]

Jesus also showed this truth that you can not buy souls, they will only come for the provision if they have never learned to seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and.... THEN all things shall be added unto you.
John 6:26-27
26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
KJV
In foreign countries we hear of hundreds walking miles and miles to come to crusades, only God knows how many truly come to hear the Word taught or just for the goods passed out. If they really come for the Word, they will be showing fruit that will take them up out of the poverty, for God would not leave a faithful at heart towards Him to have to beg, borrow or steal and need to sin against Him to get their needs met,He owns it all, for the whole world and all that is in it belongs to Him and He can give it to whom so ever He sees fit by their willingness to be raised up in His Word.

 

[Deborah13]

Do you remember Jesus saying these things:
Matt 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
KJV

Matt 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
KJV
From those scriptures you should see that this lady seemed nice and kind, so why would Jesus call her a dog? We are all capable of looking good and evil.
But until we come to desire a change in our life, we are still in the enemies camp being of an anti-Christ spirit! As are all those whom we may live with or know if they have not receive Christ yet.. they are not of God!

Remember He said He came for the lost sheep of Israel.
Jesus referred to the woman in the light of what the Jews called all Gentiles, dogs, not because she was evil. The children are the Israelites, all others, Gentiles were referred to as dogs.
Rather like stray dogs that wander in the wilderness with no home, no people, no God.

 

[Obadiah]

Just wanted to check in to say... there is no place in scripture where the disciples, or Jesus went about handing out physical/material goods such as blankets, food, clothing to the lost who had not made God their source first, by either sitting at the feet of Jesus or humbling themselves to follow him to feed spiritually. NEVER!...

Obviously you are convinced of this no matter how much scripture others have posted to the contrary. You seem to have an argument against every single scripture posted. It makes me wonder why you even asked the question in the first place? Seems your mind was already made up and maybe instead you should have simply made a statement that you don't like charity and then we could be discussing why the rest or us either agree with you on that or why we feel differently about it.

 

[reba]

We each have our opinions..
We also have the story of the good Samaritan ...

 

[4afaithfulone]

Remember He said He came for the lost sheep of Israel.
Jesus referred to the woman in the light of what the Jews called all Gentiles, dogs, not because she was evil. The children are the Israelites, all others, Gentiles were referred to as dogs.
Rather like stray dogs that wander in the wilderness with no home, no people, no God.

Jesus only helped her because of her faith that she showed and the fact that she was a gentle soul even when confronted with the title of dog as in Gentiles of the beastly nature. Rather we are killers or just liars, they are all marks of a beast because while we look good to get pats on the back from man, we go home in secret to show our real self to God, for we don't realize He doesn't miss a thing. Jesus said if you want to do good to someone, don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing so that you will have some type of reward in heaven. We see all of these people on the news the do gooders that seem like Very Nice and generous people... for the cameras, and the media. But we can not fool God, without walking IN the Word, we are still as filthy rags. Don't forget, we were all good and evil except the blood of Christ cleanses us. The blood of Christ represents the Spirit of God that guides and teaches the serious that desire a changed life. We come just as we are, but we can't just stand there, we MUST grow in the Word learning how to walk with the living Water when storms arise, doubting NOTHING.
Heavenly food from God is a greater gift than you could ever give a hurting one. They are poor and hurting for lack of spiritual food and a worker for God is worth his wages. We don't go out to pay other to receive God's Word... as in oh, pretty please. We are not to throw our pearls to swine. They should honor the Word of God as something of worth to them and give an offer to the one who serves the spiritual meal that is for their soul. NOT the other way around. Jesus ate with sinners, but at THEIR cost, not his.
Here is just another truth that I came up here to post on this topic of us not supposed to supply the lost, they are supposed to give of their own free will of course, we are never to ask them for an offering for our own self, that is a begger, Gods children should not be beggars, and not prideful as in excepting something either, but a thank you for opening their eyes to truth.

Luke 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.
3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.
5 And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.
8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:
9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Now does this sound like we are to bribe the ungodly who want nothing to do with God's kingdom? Quite the opposite. While Jesus ate with sinners, he did not keep returning to hang out with them once they did not receive him.

10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.
KJV
Thanks for your response

 

[Deborah13]

Jesus only helped her because of her faith that she showed and the fact that she was a gentle soul even when confronted with the title of dog as in Gentiles of the beastly nature. Rather we are killers or just liars, they are all marks of a beast because while we look good to get pats on the back from man, we go home in secret to show our real self to God, for we don't realize He doesn't miss a thing. Jesus said if you want to do good to someone, don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing so that you will have some type of reward in heaven. We see all of these people on the news the do gooders that seem like Very Nice and generous people... for the cameras, and the media. But we can not fool God, without walking IN the Word, we are still as filthy rags. Don't forget, we were all good and evil except the blood of Christ cleanses us. The blood of Christ represents the Spirit of God that guides and teaches the serious that desire a changed life. We come just as we are, but we can't just stand there, we MUST grow in the Word learning how to walk with the living Water when storms arise, doubting NOTHING.
Heavenly food from God is a greater gift than you could ever give a hurting one. They are poor and hurting for lack of spiritual food and a worker for God is worth his wages. We don't go out to pay other to receive God's Word... as in oh, pretty please. We are not to throw our pearls to swine. They should honor the Word of God as something of worth to them and give an offer to the one who serves the spiritual meal that is for their soul. NOT the other way around. Jesus ate with sinners, but at THEIR cost, not his.
Here is just another truth that I came up here to post on this topic of us not supposed to supply the lost, they are supposed to give of their own free will of course, we are never to ask them for an offering for our own self, that is a begger, Gods children should not be beggars, and not prideful as in excepting something either, but a thank you for opening their eyes to truth.

Luke 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.
3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.
5 And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.
8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:
9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Now does this sound like we are to bribe the ungodly who want nothing to do with God's kingdom? Quite the opposite. While Jesus ate with sinners, he did not keep returning to hang out with them once they did not receive him.

10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.
KJV
Thanks for your response

Maybe you could name one or two ways people can be bribed into becoming a Christian? It simply can't be done. We as born again believers know that.
What we do for the unsaved has nothing to do with bribery. We try to show them that God loves them and so they may turn to Him. That is what God has commanded us to do.
If you choose not to, that is between you and God. He knows you heart.

 

[4afaithfulone]

We each have our opinions..
We also have the story of the good Samaritan ...

We most definitely are kind to all, anger or hatred is not of God's Holy Spirit's fruit.
I am really talking about the ministries buying or at least trying to buy souls with seducing enticements such as the world does. If we do as they do, we are the same as they are. We are to be harmless as doves never seeking ones punishment such as we see on the TV when man rejoices over the imprisonment or death sentence of a LOST sinner, for we too have been there and deserve our just dues.

This is not to say to let sin abound when we know of it. We do them a favor when we can be brave and faithful to Christ to expose their sin privately to them, so they can have opportunity to stop before they are found out and then God's needs to bring judgment upon them in the way of prison, sickness, disease, even death. Because once the Accuser of the brethren gets wind of their disobedience He brings it to the attention to the Father who has no choice but to uphold His Word in justice. That is why we must learn to overcome the lusts of our flesh. Blessing abounds when we learn to not return evil for evil, being peace keepers.

 

[reba]

We will not see this the same ..This not a debate forum...

 

[Willie T]

I think you just ruined her day, Reba.