[_ Old Earth _] Is there proof we evolved from monkeys?

[Dave Slayer]

Is there proof we evolved from monkeys? If so, let's see it.

 

[jwu]

Well, what would you accept as "proof"? How certain does it have to be?

 

[Barbarian]

Why would you suppose that humans evolved from monkeys? They are far too evolved in their own way to have given rise to humans. Humans evolved from other primates, not monkeys.

If you want to talk about it, you should at least learn a little bit about it. It would save a lot of embarrassment in the long run.

 

[John]

No Dave, there is ZERO evidential weight that even hints at the possibility of humans having an ape like ancestor, only fools and willingly ignorant folks would believe such hogwash. :yes

 

[Barbarian]

No Dave, there is ZERO evidential weight that even hints at the possibility of humans having an ape like ancestor , only fools and willingly ignorant folks would believe such hogwash.

In reality, there is a large body of evidence for this, starting with the obvious. Humans and apes are anatomically related; Huxley, in a debate, showed Owen that there was no structure in apes not found in humans or vice versa.

There is the genetic evidence, showing that a DNA analysis confirms human/ape relatedness. And it's the same method to check human relationships, so we know it works.

Then there's the chromosome issue. Humans have 23 pairs; other apes have 24. From this scientists predicted a fusion event. Subsequent investigation showed that the human #2 chromosome is virtually identical to 2 ape chromosomes, with the molecular evidence of telomeres and a centromere, right where they should be in the event of a fusion.

And, as you saw, there is a long string of transitionals between humans and other apes, so finely gradual that even creationists can't distinguish humans from apes.

It's hard to deny that much evidence.

 

[John]

Comparative anatomy does not prove common ancestry.

 

[lordkalvan]

No Dave, there is ZERO evidential weight that even hints at the possibility of humans having an ape like ancestor, only fools and willingly ignorant folks would believe such hogwash. :yes

Yes, Dave, there is much evidential weight that hints at the possibility of humans having an ape-like ancestor; only fools and willingly ignorant folks would believe such hogwash as would suggest otherwise. :D

 

[John]

Dave is a Christian lordkalvin ;)

 

[lordkalvan]

Comparative anatomy does not prove common ancestry.

It's not a question of proof - which suggests 100% certainty - but rather of what hypothesis the available evidence supports. Comparative anatomy is evidence that supports the hypothesis of common ancestry, as are the other items of evidence that The Barbarian put forward. Consider the indisputable facts that, for example, there is no part of the digestive, immune, lymph, vascular and nervous systems that chimps and humans do not share. Both chimps and humans have three tiny bones in the middle ear, as well as sharing every other bone. The chemicals in the brain are the same as well. There are 13 chromosomes in chimps and humans in which there are no visible differences.

 

[John]

When i see apes and such walking around building, working, driving cars, playing music and writing movies then i will believe you. ;)

 

[John]

Wrong assumptions yield wrong conclusions, and the conclusion that man shared a common ancestor is wrong, there is simply no evidence supporting it.

 

[Barbarian]

John writes:
When i see apes and such walking around building, working, driving cars, playing music and writing movies then i will believe you.

Hmm... that would exclude the vast majority of our own species. :gah

 

[John]

Hmm... that would exclude the vast majority of our own species.

If you say so

 

[lordkalvan]

Dave is a Christian lordkalvin ;)

Well, okay.... but then so are Francis Collins, Ken Miller and every member of the Affiliation of Christian Biologists, as far as I know.

 

[John]

Well, okay.... but then so are Francis Collins, Ken Miller and every member of the Affiliation of Christian Biologists, as far as I know.

They are deluded I do not consider them Christians.

 

[Barbarian]

Be careful there. Why you try to push others away from God, you are only pushing yourself away from Him.

 

[John]

I lol'd

 

[Gabe]

Unfortunately, most Christians do not consider other Christians to be Christian, but thats not for a Christian to decide.

 

[Barbarian]

How sad, and what a spectacle it makes for non-believers to see Christians do this.

 

[John]

Unfortunately, most Christians do not consider other Christians to be Christian, but thats not for a Christian to decide.

Anyone who willingly bastardizes God word to try to accept a worthless theory and claims to be christian needs a good fixin. But your right i am not God, I'll let Him clean up when he returns.