Is this o.k. to do?

[jrmycchrn]

I was talking with my girlfriend and I was telling her that the peace symbol is a representation of satan. She says that it is wrong for me to point out to people things that are representive of satan unless it is in the bible. She says it gives satan the floor. Is she correct? I feel that I am only trying to make someone alert of satan's deceptive way's.

 

[Claudya]

How would you even think that the peace symbol is a symbol of Satan? Peace isn't something I'd think of as something particularily evil...

 

[elijah23]

I was talking with my girlfriend and I was telling her that the peace symbol is a representation of satan. She says that it is wrong for me to point out to people things that are representive of satan unless it is in the bible. She says it gives satan the floor. Is she correct? I feel that I am only trying to make someone alert of satan's deceptive way's.

I wasn't aware that the peace symbol had anything to do with Satan.

 

[reba]

I remember when that idea was floating around mostly because is was associated with those heathen hippies...

I like the chicken foot thought

 

[jrmycchrn]

The fifth and final Roman emperor of the Julio-Claudian dynasty, Nero (born Lucius Domitius Ahenabarbus 37 - 68 AD), is remembered in history for persecuting Christians. Nero's rule was so wicked he even had his mother executed. The First Roman-Jewish War (66 - 70 AD) started during his reign and today the term "Nero Cross" is the symbol of the "broken Jew" or "broken cross." The most famous person believed to be crucified by Nero was the Apostle Peter. To symbolize humility and unworthiness in comparison to Christ, Peter requested that he be crucified with his head toward the ground. As a result of Peter's death the upside down cross was used by early Christians as a positive symbol for peace.

here is a link http://www.teachpeace.com/peacesymbolhistory.htm

 

[Aardverk]

There are many peace symbols but I presume you mean the circle with a vertical line and an inverted 'V'?

It was designed for the CND by Gerald Holtem in 1958 and contains the two letters 'N' & 'D' in semaphore - standing for Nuclear Disarmament.

Unless you find Nuclear Disarmament Devilish - I wouldn't worry too much. Your girlfriend has her facts mixed up with her factoids.

 

[jrmycchrn]

aardvek how much research have you done into the origins of it? wikipedia is a good source for information and is right most of the time. but not in this case. Hitler used this same symbol also and that was before nuclear arms, the roman emporer nero used it before hitler. just look into it. There are many other symbols that are popular in our culture that people wear on their cloths or products that they buy and this stuff is satans way of moching the lord by having people unknowingly wear or buy this stuff, it may not be hurting the persons relationship with god, but i'm sure it has toi give satan some satisfaction.

 

[Aardverk]

Hitler used this same symbol also and that was before nuclear arms, the roman emporer nero used it before hitler.

Really? :o I would love you to show me where! Just see if you can find some actual pictures and not just reproductions by conspiracy theorists ;)

I suspect you are getting confused with the Todesrune or even the Swastika. They were indeed used for a great many different reasons throughout the world for many centuries. The origins of them are certainly open to doubt. Dan Brown may know

Don't jump to conclusions. Ignore Wikipedia, ignore the many conspiracy theorists and just look up Gerald Holtom. You should find dozens of independent entries confirming that he designed the CND peace logo. If you wish to ignore them all and trust some vague and unsupported theory - that is entirely up to you :gah

 

[Paul1965]

Wikipedia is NOT always accurate as it is open to editing by all and sundry who can present the "facts" as they have learnt them or distorted them.
The inverted Cross of crucifixion you mention, has been shown in many movies to represent satanic worship. BUT it is not the peace sign,it is a conventional cross inverted. As it is opposite to the cross our Lord died on before His glorious ascension. The satanists supposedly use it that way because being opposite to normal,it means it is opposite to all that is good.
The same with the pentagram as used in black magic, it is an inverted version of a peaceful pagan sect.
The swastika as used by germany during WWII was also a religious symbol and it too was reversed by Hitler and his cohorts.

The peace symbol is the peace symbol. Nothing more or less. If there's an issue with it's meaning,turn it up the other way then it will be ok lol

Reba, never thought of it til you mentioned it It does look like a chooks footprint indeed:toofunny

Does that mean that the hippies wore it to show they were "chicken' during the war? haha

 

[Mike]

I spent some significant time looking into this about a year ago, because I scoffed at the notion that the Peace sign has satanic origins. But the similarity between Nero's Cross and the Peace sign is striking. I looked at the origins of it and the people who are believed to be the originators of it, and there were some connections but nothing conclusive.

I'm on my phone now, and it's not easy to do such searches. I can do that later, and I think I will. There were some good sources cited. I believe there could be a connection, but as with a lot of things, most people make no such statement by wearing it.

Personally, I think it's good to know, but assuming they aren't into satanic things, I wouldn't make anything of it. Just for interesting conversation, I might pull some resources and share it with them. This wouldn't be to demonize them but only to share something interesting.

 

[Paul1965]

Mike,thanks for that, I must admit I'd never heard of this.that's why I posted as I did. I'll have to do some digging too.
blessings in Christ

 

[Milk-Drops]

Whenever I hear about this nonsense when it comes to any symbol, the only thing I can think of is that people put way to much baggage on symbols. Symbols only mean what we put into them. I can't scrye a rune on a stone and magically cure cancer, why? Because the rune doesn't have any power. Symbols only have power if we believe in them, and then the only power they have is usually just a reminder or a center for us to focus our thoughts. The cross is a symbol of Jesus's sacrifice. the Cross by itself isn't the power of Jesus, but just a symbol.

We need to remember this and realize that if someone is wearing a peace sign, then if they don't worship Satan, then the peace sign probably only means to them what the person invests into it.

 

[Aardverk]

ANY simple symbol is quite likely to crop up in various languages. For all I know, the 'Algiz' and the 'Todesrune' also appear in Chinese and Japanese

As the discussion seems to have extended a little, it may be worth pointing out that Runes were in use all over Europe and appear with different names in several countries.

The basis for this strange 'Nazi origin' of the CND symbol seems to be the Nazi use of the todesrune which is the opposite of the 'algiz' or 'eolh' or 'yr' - depending what country you want to discuss.

The 'algiz' is the symbol for protection. The todesrune, being an inverted algiz, means substantially the opposite and is used for 'death' - hence used by the Nazis in death sentences etc. NB - these runes do NOT have a circles around them like the CND symbol has.

Links to Nero and/or the Devil are even more tenuous with a 'broken cross' symbol being referred to a few times. Unfortunately I have no recollection of ever seeing a 'Nero cross' but the pictogram representations in current conspiracy theory articles show the broken cross in a variety of forms, some quite unlike the todesrune. It would be interesting to see if anyone has any Nero cross photographs but whatever people may find, it has no relation to the CND peace sign which in turn has no relationship to communism :halo Another bizarre idea

 

[for_his_glory]

As a young Christian in the 70's and early 80's the peace sign was a very controversial issue with Christians as back in that era the peace symbols was used very much to protest the Vietnam war as in the saying "give peace a chance" and what is wrong with that. We can look at the RCC for example (this isn't about putting down their Church or any other Church so let's not go there) and see so much symbolism of the objects they use in the Church from that of what the Priest wears down to the implements of they use during their services. We can see the same type of symbolism being used in many Protestant Churches from that of the gown the Preacher wears and the collar they put around their neck down to the very decor of the sanctuary and even the Bible laid out on the communion table that never gets used for any other purpose then being a symbol as such things can become an idol, yes even the Bible, as the importance of the symbol becomes that of a type of idol which becomes more important then that of Christ as these symbols are held in so much respect, but yet Christ is outside knocking on the door to be let back in again. Is the peace symbol OK, are the Churches symbols OK, not if they become ones idol of worship putting that in a higher regard then that of Christ and what He stands for.

 

[WIP]

I figure a symbol only has meaning when it means something to the beholder. Otherwise it is nothing more than a symbol without meaning.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Really? :o I would love you to show me where!

http://www.germandressdaggers.com/Panzer%20Section%20Divisional%20markings%201%20to%203.htm.

It was used by the 3rd Panzer Division from 1941-45.

It was designed for the CND by Gerald Holtem in 1958 and contains the two letters 'N' & 'D' in semaphore - standing for Nuclear Disarmament.

Another popular myth, the real invention of Holtem, a notorious self-seeker, anti-Chrsitian and Satanist.. It was also used as an anti-Christian symbol by the Saracens, those who professed Islam in the Middle Ages. They used it as a symbol of breaking the Christian cross.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/523863/Saracen.

Holtem knew the history of the symbol, made up the story about his "drawing it up" so his Satanic leanings wouldn't be discovered. But Bertrand Russell, the head of the Direct Action Committee Against Nuclear War, knew the history as well, and gave his blessing to Holtem's lie.

http://www.designobserver.com/archives/entry.html?id=34594.

Your girlfriend has her facts mixed up with her factoids.

Actually, that would be you who has his facts mixed up with his factoids.

 

[Paul1965]

TND if you go to the next page from the link you gave, you will see the same symbol, inverted.

3 panzer division used the symbol in its contemporary "peace" sign position
4 Panzer division had the same symbol inverted (they have 2 variations of the same thing)

If 3 panzer div, were using it as an antichrist symbol and destroying all that is good, does that mean 4 panzer div. was rebuilding and promoting good?

Again this all boils down to intent of the user.

I'll try and explain my point of view.
I, as a Christian, view the symbol of the Calvary Cross as something to cherish which shows God's eternal love and grace towards us. The Cross therefore is a symbol of all that is good in Jesus Christ and the world.
If on the other hand I chose to wear a cross,the correct way up but had No faith, it would be nothing more than a fashion accessory...sadly too many people use it this way.
The third and more sinister way would to be wear the cross, again the correct way up,but to use it to glorify the murder of Him and to promote evil through my words or actions.
Fourth would be to turn it upside down as a representation without words of all that is evil.

That's only four but I'm sure people can think of others.

I did find the points you made about Holtem and Russell very interesting.

BTW why was the link to a Nazi Ceremonial Dagger site?

 

[Paul1965]

Just one more thing. Here's a few anomalies people may not be aware of.

1. DRAGON : A mythical monster made up of many animals: serpent, lizard, bird, lion... It may have many heads and breath fire. To mediaeval Europe, it was dangerous and evil, but people in Eastern Asia believe it has power to help them against more hostile spiritual forces. In the Bible it represents Satan, the devil.
View attachment 3439 US XIII Division WWII Shoulder Patch


View attachment 3440View attachment 3441 Left 10 Panzer division 1940-43
Right 92nd Infantry USA WWII

With all due respect to the brave souls who lost their live during that terrible conflict.

ALL-SEEING EYE: A universal symbol representing spiritual sight, inner vision, higher knowledge, insight into occult mysteries. Look at your $1 bill.
So if anyone is worried about unChristian symbolism, please feel free to send me all of those evil greenbacks you can't use because they are evil. I'll find a good use for them I'm sure.

Heres a link to a Christian site that give the meanings of symbols. It even state that the same symbol my have many uses and interpretations both good and evil
http://www.crossroad.to/Books/symbols1.html

Blessings to all

 

[Aardverk]

It was used by the 3rd Panzer Division from 1941-45.

My sincere thanks for that. I was not aware of it and I have yet to find any photograph of it being used, but it is hardly the same thing as ‘Hitler used this symbol’, is it?

Hitler used this same symbol also and that was before nuclear arms, the roman emporer nero used it before hitler.

Given the hundreds of military symbols used, it is hardly surprising that this ‘cross’ is one of 30 different crosses in the Panzer division and another 28 crosses, not counting the swastika, in other Wehrmacht Insignia and hundreds more around the world. Let’s see anyone design that many different crosses, as symbols, and avoid this Germanic rune. Do note that they also used exactly the same symbol the other way up. If anyone wants to read some evil significance into the ‘peace symbol’ you obviously need to read the opposite into the one the other way up. Note also that there were many Christian symbols used by the Wehrmacht for military markings. Are we to assume that all of those other crosses and religious symbols carry some evil/dark meaning? Don’t forget that Hitler regarded himself as a good Christian.
I hardly think it likely that any of them were designed or selected by Hitler. Does anyone seriously think that? Please also see the other sensible posts 8, 12, 13, 14, 15 & 17.

Another popular myth, the real invention of Holtem, a notorious self-seeker, anti-Chrsitian and Satanist.. It was also used as an anti-Christian symbol by the Saracens, those who professed Islam in the Middle Ages. They used it as a symbol of breaking the Christian cross.

Unfortunately the link you provided does not have any mention of the symbol used by the Saracens and neither does my paper copy of Britannica. Did you include the right link? I really would be grateful for any appropriate link but not to a ‘conspiracy’ web-site. They are just so pathetically biased. :halo

Holtem knew the history of the symbol, made up the story about his "drawing it up" so his Satanic leanings wouldn't be discovered. But Bertrand Russell, the head of the Direct Action Committee Against Nuclear War, knew the history as well, and gave his blessing to Holtem's lie.

I will ignore your laughable allegations, obviously 'learnt' from one of the 'conspiracy theorist' web-site. His name was Holtom by the way - are you mixing him up with someone else?

Again, your link produced nothing to support your claim. I can find dozens of others entries with full detail of the meetings to discuss the design but your allegations appear to be no more than allegations. Can I suggest you try to leave your particular politics out of your judgements.

Actually, that would be you who has his facts mixed up with his factoids.

You obviously didn't bother to read what his girlfriend said - did you? I suggest that we both drop that line and concentrate on the interesting stuff.

 

[Fedusenko]

Wouldn't the cross be a symbol for Satan? If the peace sign is satanic because Peter died that way, the cross must be too. Christmas is, easter is, sunday worship is... You collection of heathens and fools! Everything is evil! Even your bible... cause the catholics made your bible. Fish-man worshiping heathens.


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