Is this really the 'End Times'?

[veteran]

Are we going to know when it will happen? Absolutely not! Jesus tells us we will not know when He states quite clearly in Luke 17:34-35: "I tell you, on that night two people will be on one bed; one will be taken the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken the other left." We will not be sitting on a hilltop somewhere because we all (or a few) can divine the mysteries so we know He's coming and we're ready for his arrival. Instead, like the people Jesus describes, we will be going about our daily business - eating, sleeping, working - and will be taken by surprise.

No man knows the day or hour, that's what our Lord Jesus said. That does not mean He didn't give His servants to know the signs leading up to that day and hour, for He did. In Rev.11 when God's two witnesses are killed and their dead bodies left unburied in the street, they arise after 3 days and 1/2. Then within that same 'hour', the events of Christ's coming on the 7th trumpet happens. So what's that you say about being surprised at Christ's coming?

1Thes 5:2-7
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
(KJV)

Per Paul, if you are asleep (spiritually), and "in darkness", then the day of Christ's coming will be to you as a thief in the night, being taken by surprise!

My suggestion is that you check out your preacher more carefully by listening to God's Word instead of men's doctrines.

I can tell also, you've never really studied the end of Luke 17 with two in the field with one taken and the other left. Here's our Lord's parallel to that in Matt.24...

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
(KJV)

Luke 17:36-37
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
(KJV)

The 'first one taken' metaphor our Lord used is not about His servants. It's about the deceived who are in darkness, who sleep in the night and are taken by deception, not staying on watch for the signs of Christ's coming.

 

[old_tractor]

the u.n. has more power then you think as the nation surrender some authority to it.

if not why do we need to ask the u.n for the invasion of iraq? both times, and we went under the u.n. banner into korea and the balkans

in fact , a u.s soldier refused to wear the blue beret over the idea that he signed up to serve the u.s army not the u.n.

he lost his appeal and was discharged from service, his original punishment was an article 15, not a summary court martial(or the appropriate court martail)

In each of the instances you mention, friend, the US govt at that time felt it was in the best intersts of the US to do so. In first Iraqi war, Bush One didn't want it to appear as a western crusade against Muslims. In the second Iraqi war, Bush two wanted diplomatic cover for engaging in an offensive war against a regime that neither attacked the US nor was any threat to the US. In Korea, the US govt wished to contain communism in asia and it was seen as in the best interest of the US to get UN sanction (achieved only because the Soviets had walked out of the session and gone home previously), but we were fully in charge of the operation. In the Balkans, the Clinton admin. wished to create a muslim state in Europe (you'd have to be a marxist or cultural marxist to understand that one).

 

[jasoncran]

old tractor we allied ourselves with sadaam, and the likes of noriega and also osama bin laden in the cold war.

all our allies spy on each other.not that i like that. but its the truth. brittian has done it, so has the so called friend russia(recently caught)

our f-16,m2 mortar, m1 abrams are all from isreal designs.

shoot we trade with china,who is the biggest on the spy list.

i smell anti-isreal stance, or at least bias. trust me i critizice isreal alot. but to say that those poor palestians are innocent is a lie.

btw the peoples in that are arent palestianians but are arabs or jordianians that have been pushed there and used as pawns by the surrounding arab nations

the word palestine is the latin word for philistine.

isreal tends to go overboard at times in its responses, and allowing settlers outside certain limits.they are no means beyond fault.

 

[veteran]

Only in the 20th and 21st centuries have a group of internationalists created a world body designed to bring all nations under its sole authority. It's called the United Nations. Along with that we've been hearing of their globalist plan for a "one world government". And that's Biblical prophecy, one of the signs of the end (Rev.13:1-2). I've known about the plans for "one world government" since the late 1970's, forty years ago. And info about it can be found going much further back than my lifetime. What does that reveal?

What does that reveal? It reveals that you are willing to ignore all history that conflicts with your own desires, friend.

You ignore the Persian Empire, Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Mongols, etc. who had similar designs of endless conquest of the world (as the knew it). This has happened countless times in history and each of them were certainly more effective than the UN. The fact of the matter is that the UN is simply an annoying bogeyman. It has no power unless its members do the heavy lifting when they perceive it is in their own interests to do so.

Again, I do not doubt your sincerety. I do, however, think you are shoehorning and cherry-picking both prophecy and history because you want something to be whether it is or not in reality.

Who should pay attention to your opinion on that, since you've just declared that Christ's coming will take His own servants by surprise? That means you're already alseep in the night like Paul showed, in darkness. No wonder you can't see the signs in the world happenning right before your eyes, especially with movements like the U.N. Don't you realize that Israel became a nation again through a U.N. Charter, and the U.N. still controls its borders today? They have even declared Jerusalem as the "International City of Peace" per their world peace plan.

And don't be silly with such statements that I ignore the previous beast kingdoms of old. In Rev.13:2, our Lord Jesus specifically mentioned those old beast kingdoms of history as an example for the ten horned beast kingdom declared in Rev.13:1. In Dan.2 He showed a final 5th beast kingdom made up of ALL the previous ones that will exist specifically in the days of His return.

The U.N. is a tool, nothing more. It's a lever that Satan's servants on earth have created and use to join all nations together in prep for Armageddon. After WWI nations would not agree to get on board with the League of Nations idea, so they brought WWII and used the power of the atom to force... nations to get on the boat. Every war the U.S. has been involved in since then has been part of the U.N. working. 28 nations took part in the 1990's Gulf War. The U.N. has sister organizations that influence the areas of education, international law, economies, foreign policy and trade, enviornmentalism, and... RELIGION. The U.N. building in NY even has a meditation room to serve all religions.

Thus anyone leaving the U.N. functions out of the Rev.13:1 ten horned, ten crowned, seven headed beast system that has been forming up on this earth is totally in darkness as to the times.

But maybe you support the idea of "one world government" and don't like people such as myself talking about it, I don't know. I realize some Christian Churches are on that boat, to their disgrace.

 

[jasoncran]

old tractor, if what you say is the truth, when was the last time we went unilaterally? hint iraq 2 wasnt the case. we had help

i'll answer the bombing of the country of bosnia in'99. that was the last time

we did it solo. without u.n. approval.

we have been ceding the authority of soverienty for yrs slowly. if we dont need allies and the u.n, i say withdrawal.
but we cant why, we have been forced into globalism. i dont mind that we trade with other countries but must it be so imbalenced.

i have worked with the u.n in afghanistan, to whom do they come to for help? nato, nah, we are nato.
we GIVE our assistance to them willingly yes, but we are no longer able to do it solo,
if you think otherwise, why is our army so small.


and no for the record i am not against alliance or nato, just sick of all the its big bad america, to those that say that, then defend yourself. and see what it's like.

nato is totally useless.save a few countries. brits,aussies, and kiwis, they stay and fight. we can count on them all others run!

 

[veteran]

the u.n. has more power then you think as the nation surrender some authority to it.

if not why do we need to ask the u.n for the invasion of iraq? both times, and we went under the u.n. banner into korea and the balkans

in fact , a u.s soldier refused to wear the blue beret over the idea that he signed up to serve the u.s army not the u.n.

he lost his appeal and was discharged from service, his original punishment was an article 15, not a summary court martial(or the appropriate court martail)

In each of the instances you mention, friend, the US govt at that time felt it was in the best intersts of the US to do so. In first Iraqi war, Bush One didn't want it to appear as a western crusade against Muslims. In the second Iraqi war, Bush two wanted diplomatic cover for engaging in an offensive war against a regime that neither attacked the US nor was any threat to the US. In Korea, the US govt wished to contain communism in asia and it was seen as in the best interest of the US to get UN sanction (achieved only because the Soviets had walked out of the session and gone home previously), but we were fully in charge of the operation. In the Balkans, the Clinton admin. wished to create a muslim state in Europe (you'd have to be a marxist or cultural marxist to understand that one).

At the end of the 1990's Gulf War, at a U.N. podium, ex-President George Bush got up and said... "The purpose of the Gulf War was to empower the United Nations."

The Cold War with Communism is not over, regardless of what media and state department puppits say. The Red Chinese government has even declared they expect eventual war with the United States.

The problem is that we (the U.S.) have traitors among us that continually support our enemies, sending them taxpayer funds via apparatus like the World Bank and IMF. Both Korea and Vietnam were used for U.N. purposes, just like George Bush said about the purpose of the Gulf War. Caroll Quigley in his book Tragedy And Hope stated that the western Rhodes Round Table Groups in Britain and the United States often work with the Communists, and have no problem doing so. Bill Clinton was a Rhodes scholar by the way, though he never finished at Oxford, a Rhodes school.

This is why we have western leaders that support our enemies. An example today is why do we treat Russia as our friend, sending them technology and funds, while they're busy supporting the funding and training of radical Islamic terrorists against Israel and the West, especially if Russia is no longer a threat and have no power?

There's no real difference between a Marxist and a cultural Marxist either. Either one is on Marxist doctrines or they ain't. Marxism is totally out of line with Christianity.

It's obvious you've come here to push leftist-socialist propaganda, and definitely not the truth.

 

[jasoncran]

russia lately hasnt proved herself a good trustworthy ally. unlike japan or s korea or others.

 

[veteran]

russia lately hasnt proved herself a good trustworthy ally. unlike japan or s korea or others.

Soviet leaders in the '50's said they'd take over the West without firing a shot, doing it within. Gorbachev when his Peristroka was being welcomed by western leaders after the Berlin Wall came down, was asked if he still believed in a victory of world Communism over the west, and he said yes.

Lot of good Christian people in Russia, and they're not the problem. It's the government system over them that's the problem, still with Communism.

I highly recommend a book written by Cleon Skousen in the 1950's (he was an FBI agent of 16 years) called 'The Naked Communist'. He documented how our leaders kept allowing the Soviet's access of U.S. funds and technology secrets via the Lend-lease program after WWII had ended. He was present in the interrogation of a later U.S. State Dept. official Whittaker Chambers that was discovered to be a Soviet spy. Only about five years ago there was an American high up in one of our clandestine organizations that was caught, and he'd been working with the Russians for over 20 years. The Cold War ain't over.

Skousen mentioned 45 points in Soviet long-range strategy to take over the United States. One of them was about creating all kinds of psychological disorders to support drug use in the psychiatric field to use as a means of destroying one's credibility and influence. I recall a program at the start of Bush's first term that proposed surveying all Americans and children for possible mental disorders. It was even going to be setup up in schools to do screening of children.

Another one was about supporting meaningless art. Wouldn't think that would be important, but the Communists know the importance of building respect for historical leaders and national heroes in society. Instead of having a Minuteman statue of a U.S. Revolutionary War figure, the idea would be to replace it with meaningless art. The working of groups like the ACLU against Ten Commandments emblems and Christian themes in public display is part of that.

Another Soviet strategy point was the dissolution of NATO. Right after the Berlin Wall came down, Russia began petitioning to join NATO.

The Vietnamese Communists during the Vietnam War knew the communist propaganda in the west would help their victory in South Vietnam if they just held out long enough for it to influence western minds. We went in with the strategy of policing and attrition, not victory. At the time internationalist bankers were funding both sides, as they often do in wars. And some of those were on Wall Street. U.S. fighter pilots were given rules of engagment to not fire on enemy Migs unless fired upon first (see John's Wayne's documentary of the era called No Substitute For Victory). General Mark Clark said in Korea under U.N. authority, it was like having one arm tied behind his back.

And where's General Swartzkoph today? Why is the media silent on his victory strategy for the 1990's Gulf War? He used the media during the war, giving them misinformation well knowing they would spread it to our enemies like a warning. That's why we don't hear much about him in the media. I loved it when he got up with a chalk board showing his victory strategy, and then pointed to the news reporters and said to them, now this is where you all came in.

Few realize that the real Communists, those who are still on the plan for domination of the whole earth, are very patient in that strategy, unlike us westerners. We have leaders that come and go. But the Communist system keeps it long-range strategy from generation to generation, and does not deter from their main goal. One 1960's ex-Soviet KGB agent (Anatoliy Golitsyn) said the removing of the Berlin Wall was actually a planned phase in the Communist long-range strategy to take over the west. He said it's part of their third and final phase, and they'd only consider it if it was time for the third phase of their long-range strategy.

Today we have high leaders and representatives passing legislation which is socialist in nature, and very much unconstitutional. It's like our U.S. Constitution has been suspended in many areas today, with the last attack on our 1st Ammendment rights to freedom of speech and religion, and our 2nd Ammendment right to bear arms. And today we have a free-trade policy with Communist Red China, with their sending us unhealthy products the FDA has had to spend extra time screening?

The signs are pretty obvious to me, but of course I come from the Vietnam era, and even had anti-Communist propaganda training in our U.S. military during that era. And I took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of The United States of America, just as everyone in the U.S. military does, including all those who serve in public office in our nation from local officials and police all the way up to the President of The United States.

Younger Americans need to turn off their high def TV's and music players for a while, and start getting involved; do some research outside your school history texts that are full of revisionist history and propaganda, for that very much goes along with real Bible study.

 

[jasoncran]

ah , vet, i am a cold war era vet. while i joined in the early 90's before the fall of the cccp.

i was trained to kill ivan and if not ivan would ensure that i meet my maker first. i was trained in the weapon systems of the russians.(tanks and aircraft) and know what they look like. and have pics of some in afghanistan that i saw in use.

most of my trainers were nam vets, in fact my current mess sargeant wears the 23 id patch(amercal) as he is nam vet. that is before my time. but i remember the cold war quite well.

 

[jasoncran]

roger baldwin founder of the aclu was a commie!

 

[veteran]

roger baldwin founder of the aclu was a commie!

And what about groups like the Anti-Defamation League? One of it's leaders only a couple of years ago complained how Christianity in the U.S. has become more organized, and that they needed to do something about it.

 

[jasoncran]

roger baldwin founder of the aclu was a commie!

And what about groups like the Anti-Defamation League? One of it's leaders only a couple of years ago complained how Christianity in the U.S. has become more organized, and that they needed to do something about it.

isnt that a jewish organisation?they vehemanlty defend the man darwin as being against social darwinism and say that hitler's cause wasnt supported by the toe.

 

[old_tractor]

Only in the 20th and 21st centuries have a group of internationalists created a world body designed to bring all nations under its sole authority. It's called the United Nations. Along with that we've been hearing of their globalist plan for a "one world government". And that's Biblical prophecy, one of the signs of the end (Rev.13:1-2). I've known about the plans for "one world government" since the late 1970's, forty years ago. And info about it can be found going much further back than my lifetime. What does that reveal?

What does that reveal? It reveals that you are willing to ignore all history that conflicts with your own desires, friend.

You ignore the Persian Empire, Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Mongols, etc. who had similar designs of endless conquest of the world (as the knew it). This has happened countless times in history and each of them were certainly more effective than the UN. The fact of the matter is that the UN is simply an annoying bogeyman. It has no power unless its members do the heavy lifting when they perceive it is in their own interests to do so.

Again, I do not doubt your sincerety. I do, however, think you are shoehorning and cherry-picking both prophecy and history because you want something to be whether it is or not in reality.

Who should pay attention to your opinion on that, since you've just declared that Christ's coming will take His own servants by surprise? That means you're already alseep in the night like Paul showed, in darkness. No wonder you can't see the signs in the world happenning right before your eyes, especially with movements like the U.N. Don't you realize that Israel became a nation again through a U.N. Charter, and the U.N. still controls its borders today? They have even declared Jerusalem as the "International City of Peace" per their world peace plan.

And don't be silly with such statements that I ignore the previous beast kingdoms of old. In Rev.13:2, our Lord Jesus specifically mentioned those old beast kingdoms of history as an example for the ten horned beast kingdom declared in Rev.13:1. In Dan.2 He showed a final 5th beast kingdom made up of ALL the previous ones that will exist specifically in the days of His return.

The U.N. is a tool, nothing more. It's a lever that Satan's servants on earth have created and use to join all nations together in prep for Armageddon. After WWI nations would not agree to get on board with the League of Nations idea, so they brought WWII and used the power of the atom to force... nations to get on the boat. Every war the U.S. has been involved in since then has been part of the U.N. working. 28 nations took part in the 1990's Gulf War. The U.N. has sister organizations that influence the areas of education, international law, economies, foreign policy and trade, enviornmentalism, and... RELIGION. The U.N. building in NY even has a meditation room to serve all religions.

Thus anyone leaving the U.N. functions out of the Rev.13:1 ten horned, ten crowned, seven headed beast system that has been forming up on this earth is totally in darkness as to the times.

But maybe you support the idea of "one world government" and don't like people such as myself talking about it, I don't know. I realize some Christian Churches are on that boat, to their disgrace.

The UN is the "ten horned, ten crowned and seven headed beast"? I thought that was the European Common Market when Greece was admitted in the 1960's making the number of countries TEN. That's what people like you were saying at the time wasn't it? Oh, that's right, it admitted more countries and wasn't TEN any longer. What about the G-10? They're not actually TEN anymore but they keep the name at least. What does the UN have to do with the numbers 10, 10, and 7? Perhaps it's the federal reserve? The IMF? The ASPCA?

Well, at this point, I must admit you've shown me for the poor sinner in darkness that I am, unlike you who lives in the light. I must just be a pawn of the globalists, I suppose.

Since you won't be surprised, you can help people like me out, you know. Tell me, when will it be? When will Armegeddon begin, friend? I won't pin you down to a week or even a month. Give me and the rest of us the year. I won't even ask you the identity of the antichrist although your wisdom is so great that you surely must know it.

Come then, tell us when we should climb the mountaintop to await Christ's return? Or...perhaps you don't know? Shocking! You must just be another one of us in darkness, then right?

Either you can or...perhaps you're simply leading people up onto another mountain top only to have to lead them back down again?

Put up or shut up...

 

[old_tractor]

old tractor we allied ourselves with sadaam, and the likes of noriega and also osama bin laden in the cold war.

all our allies spy on each other.not that i like that. but its the truth. brittian has done it, so has the so called friend russia(recently caught)

our f-16,m2 mortar, m1 abrams are all from isreal designs.

shoot we trade with china,who is the biggest on the spy list.

i smell anti-isreal stance, or at least bias. trust me i critizice isreal alot. but to say that those poor palestians are innocent is a lie.

btw the peoples in that are arent palestianians but are arabs or jordianians that have been pushed there and used as pawns by the surrounding arab nations

the word palestine is the latin word for philistine.

isreal tends to go overboard at times in its responses, and allowing settlers outside certain limits.they are no means beyond fault.

This is getting off topic. I will gladly continue this discussion in another thread. Let me know!

 

[old_tractor]

old tractor, if what you say is the truth, when was the last time we went unilaterally? hint iraq 2 wasnt the case. we had help

i'll answer the bombing of the country of bosnia in'99. that was the last time

we did it solo. without u.n. approval.

we have been ceding the authority of soverienty for yrs slowly. if we dont need allies and the u.n, i say withdrawal.
but we cant why, we have been forced into globalism. i dont mind that we trade with other countries but must it be so imbalenced.

i have worked with the u.n in afghanistan, to whom do they come to for help? nato, nah, we are nato.
we GIVE our assistance to them willingly yes, but we are no longer able to do it solo,
if you think otherwise, why is our army so small.


and no for the record i am not against alliance or nato, just sick of all the its big bad america, to those that say that, then defend yourself. and see what it's like.

nato is totally useless.save a few countries. brits,aussies, and kiwis, they stay and fight. we can count on them all others run!

Again, these are very good topics I would like to debate on another thread in the appropriate forum. Let me know!

 

[jasoncran]

i will have to reasearch isreali history again.
btw i am of hebrew decent and most of family supports isreal and oddly love obama.

though by orthodoxy i cant be jewish(mother is gentile) but my surname carries the hebrew.

 

[old_tractor]

the u.n. has more power then you think as the nation surrender some authority to it.

if not why do we need to ask the u.n for the invasion of iraq? both times, and we went under the u.n. banner into korea and the balkans

in fact , a u.s soldier refused to wear the blue beret over the idea that he signed up to serve the u.s army not the u.n.

he lost his appeal and was discharged from service, his original punishment was an article 15, not a summary court martial(or the appropriate court martail)

In each of the instances you mention, friend, the US govt at that time felt it was in the best intersts of the US to do so. In first Iraqi war, Bush One didn't want it to appear as a western crusade against Muslims. In the second Iraqi war, Bush two wanted diplomatic cover for engaging in an offensive war against a regime that neither attacked the US nor was any threat to the US. In Korea, the US govt wished to contain communism in asia and it was seen as in the best interest of the US to get UN sanction (achieved only because the Soviets had walked out of the session and gone home previously), but we were fully in charge of the operation. In the Balkans, the Clinton admin. wished to create a muslim state in Europe (you'd have to be a marxist or cultural marxist to understand that one).

At the end of the 1990's Gulf War, at a U.N. podium, ex-President George Bush got up and said... "The purpose of the Gulf War was to empower the United Nations."

The Cold War with Communism is not over, regardless of what media and state department puppits say. The Red Chinese government has even declared they expect eventual war with the United States.

The problem is that we (the U.S.) have traitors among us that continually support our enemies, sending them taxpayer funds via apparatus like the World Bank and IMF. Both Korea and Vietnam were used for U.N. purposes, just like George Bush said about the purpose of the Gulf War. Caroll Quigley in his book Tragedy And Hope stated that the western Rhodes Round Table Groups in Britain and the United States often work with the Communists, and have no problem doing so. Bill Clinton was a Rhodes scholar by the way, though he never finished at Oxford, a Rhodes school.

This is why we have western leaders that support our enemies. An example today is why do we treat Russia as our friend, sending them technology and funds, while they're busy supporting the funding and training of radical Islamic terrorists against Israel and the West, especially if Russia is no longer a threat and have no power?

There's no real difference between a Marxist and a cultural Marxist either. Either one is on Marxist doctrines or they ain't. Marxism is totally out of line with Christianity.

It's obvious you've come here to push leftist-socialist propaganda, and definitely not the truth.

Friend, I would offer you the same opportunity to start a new thread on another area of these forums since we are getting very much off topic. Let me know if you'd like to do so.

 

[old_tractor]

i will have to reasearch isreali history again.
btw i am of hebrew decent and most of family supports isreal and oddly love obama.

though by orthodoxy i cant be jewish(mother is gentile) but my surname carries the hebrew.

My offer stands. Just let me know!

 

[veteran]

roger baldwin founder of the aclu was a commie!

And what about groups like the Anti-Defamation League? One of it's leaders only a couple of years ago complained how Christianity in the U.S. has become more organized, and that they needed to do something about it.

isnt that a jewish organisation?they vehemanlty defend the man darwin as being against social darwinism and say that hitler's cause wasnt supported by the toe.

I think so. False 'fronts' do exist using names ya know.

 

[veteran]

The UN is the "ten horned, ten crowned and seven headed beast"? I thought that was the European Common Market when Greece was admitted in the 1960's making the number of countries TEN. That's what people like you were saying at the time wasn't it? Oh, that's right, it admitted more countries and wasn't TEN any longer. What about the G-10? They're not actually TEN anymore but they keep the name at least. What does the UN have to do with the numbers 10, 10, and 7? Perhaps it's the federal reserve? The IMF? The ASPCA?

I never said the U.N. was specifically the ten horned beast, but part of the Rev.13 beast functioning, a tool towards that beast system.

No, people "like me" are aware on a greater level than those who keep pointing to the EU as the Rev.13 beast. I'm beyond paying attention to things like numerology too.

Well, at this point, I must admit you've shown me for the poor sinner in darkness that I am, unlike you who lives in the light. I must just be a pawn of the globalists, I suppose.

I simply let Apostle Paul show you, it's not from me. You made the Biblically uninformed statement that Christ's coming will take the believer by surprise. I showed you where Paul stated just the opposite of that idea. It's up to you what you choose to do with it. Just like Marxism, with ideas of globalism one either supports it or one doesn't. No middle ground.

Since you won't be surprised, you can help people like me out, you know. Tell me, when will it be? When will Armegeddon begin, friend? I won't pin you down to a week or even a month. Give me and the rest of us the year. I won't even ask you the identity of the antichrist although your wisdom is so great that you surely must know it.

If you were watching the signs of the end Christ gave in His Word, you'd know where the times are right now today. Assuming His return will be a surprise to His shows you aren't watching. Otherwise you would have no reason to ask such a question about when. The orthodox Jews having the materials ready to build another temple in Jerusalem today is a major sign. Might want to keep on watch with that at least.

Come then, tell us when we should climb the mountaintop to await Christ's return? Or...perhaps you don't know? Shocking! You must just be another one of us in darkness, then right?

With mockings like that, I have a hard time thinking that you even believe on Jesus of Nazareth as God's promised Saviour. There does exist some who claim to be Christian that only use it as a political lever for leftist influence. False apostles existed in the days of the early Church, and they still exist today.

Either you can or...perhaps you're simply leading people up onto another mountain top only to have to lead them back down again?

Put up or shut up...

I don't try to lead people anywhere but into God's Word for theirselves so they'd have a chance at His Truth. I don't care if you believe what I say or not. It's not about what I say from The Bible, it's about what God's Word says. I offer you the challenge to get into It for yourself, instead of listening to men's doctrines, like that idea that Christ's coming is going to take true believers on Him by surprise.

Luke 21:34
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
(KJV)

And I'm not a weak powder-puff Christian like many are today. I volunteered during the Vietnam War to fight against world Communism. And I'd glady serve again if my country needed me today, even though I'm in my 50's.